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Al-Qa'eda 'behind attack on oil tanker' (WELCOME TO THE PARTY, JACQUES ALERT)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | October 7, 2002 | Alan Philps and Harry de Quetteville

Posted on 10/07/2002 4:05:20 AM PDT by MadIvan

President Jacques Chirac sent a team of investigators to Yemen last night to determine the cause of an explosion that ripped through the French supertanker Limberg.

M Chirac faced the strong possibility that the vessel, which was still in flames last night, was the target of a daring attack by al-Qa'eda.

Got with the programme now, Jacques? Appeasement doesn't work. It never will. - Ivan

Osama bin Laden's network has a strong presence in Yemen and the United States Navy had given warning only weeks ago of such an attack.

Ali Abdallah Saleh, the Yemeni president, assured M Chirac that local investigations "would be carried out with all the required diligence". His prime minister, Abdul Qader Bagrammal, asked a Canadian oil firm to help put out the blaze and clear up what is expected to be an ecological catastrophe.

The French owners, Euronav, said 24 of the 25 crew were safe. Among those on board were eight Frenchmen and 17 Bulgarians. Euronav said the missing man was Bulgarian.

The Limberg is one of 10 tankers owned by Euronav. It said the ship left Bahrain on Sept 22 with 56,000 tons of crude oil on board and was planning to load a further 140,000 in Yemen. From Yemen it was due to sail to Malaysia.

Alain Ferre, a Euronav director, suggested the attack might have been motivated by commercial rather than political considerations. "At first glance it seems like they just want to dissuade tankers from fuelling up in the Persian Gulf," he said.

The timing of the explosion immediately suggested a terror attack. Last month, the United States Navy warned tankers to beware of attacks in the Gulf.

It comes one week before the second anniversary of the ramming of a bomb-packed dinghy into the American destroyer Cole and a day before the first anniversary of the start of the US campaign to oust the Taliban from Afghanistan. The trial of 15 Yemenis implicated in the attack on the Cole is due to begin within days.

Yemen is the birthplace of the father of Osama bin Laden, a construction millionaire who made his fortune in Saudi Arabia and settled there. Al-Qa'eda never issues claims of responsibility for its attacks.

At first sight France appears an unlikely target for attack. Traditionally, it is considered to be one of the Western governments most sympathetic to Arab causes. President Chirac is welcomed as a hero by Palestinian youths on his visits to the Middle East.

Fat lot of good it did you, eh, Jacques? Try siding with the cause of justice next time - Ivan

But to bin Laden and his associates France is part of the Western assault on the Arabian peninsula. A wall map in one of bin Laden's training centres in Kabul depicts the French navy and French military bases on the Red Sea coast of Africa as part of the "Crusader assault on Islamic Holy Places".

In May, a suicide bomber detonated a van packed with explosives outside a hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, where French naval engineers were getting on a bus taking them to work.

Fourteen people, including 11 Frenchmen - who were helping in the construction of a Pakistani attack submarine - were killed in the blast, which was quickly attributed to al-Qa'eda.

France is now under greater pressure than ever from the Arab world as it assumes a pivotal role in the delicate negotiations preparing the way for a possible war in Iraq.

Of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, it holds the central ground between the hawks in the US and Britain and the doves in Russia and China.

While France has resisted coercion from Washington in recent years, the newly elected conservative government in Paris has been rebuilding the bridges with the White House that its Socialist predecessor seemed intent on burning.

Under the orders of M Chirac, France's new foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin, has smoothed over many of the fissures in the Franco-US relationship which opened up during the tenure of the previous foreign minister, Hubert Védrine.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; blair; bush; chirac; crusaders; france; osama; uk; us
I hope this finally puts paid to the notion that we can somehow appease and wriggle out of the Islamists hating us. After all, they just attacked the nation which has appeasement as its ultimate foreign policy goal.

But to the French it remains to be said:


"Welcome to the Party, Pal"

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 10/07/2002 4:05:20 AM PDT by MadIvan
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Bump!
2 posted on 10/07/2002 4:05:48 AM PDT by MadIvan
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5 posted on 10/07/2002 4:10:37 AM PDT by chance33_98
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To: MadIvan
Sad to say, but I have a sinking feeling that it will take an attack on the scale of our own 9/11 horror (e.g. the destruction of the Eiffel Tower or L'Arc de Triomphe) to wake the French to something resembling reality.

They're in these animals' gunsights as much as any Westerner............and they refuse to see it.

6 posted on 10/07/2002 4:12:23 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline
They're in these animals' gunsights as much as any Westerner............and they refuse to see it.

A little clue for our French friends:


"The perps are mostly Middle Eastern judging by their turbans and their...goats. They're well financed, but not all that slick. They attacked America after all."

Regards, Ivan

7 posted on 10/07/2002 4:15:48 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
At first sight France appears an unlikely target for attack. Traditionally, it is considered to be one of the Western governments most sympathetic to Arab causes. President Chirac is welcomed as a hero by Palestinian youths on his visits to the Middle East.

Having been in these parts perhaps a bit too long, I speculate that this incident is reminiscent of Tonkin Gulf and the C Turner Joy.....a staged incident to give the French cover to be more helpful to US/British efforts against Iraq.

Crazy, huh?

8 posted on 10/07/2002 4:16:01 AM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: MadIvan; Texaggie79
It was the Mossad, since Israel is a direct benefactor of this (just like 9/11) /sarcasm
9 posted on 10/07/2002 4:17:19 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: MadIvan; Shermy
Writer seems to have forgotten the explosion at the chemical factory in Toulouse right after 9/11 that the prior Socialist government in France insisted was just an accident.
10 posted on 10/07/2002 4:17:19 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: RJCogburn
Call me crazy, but somehow I don't think that the French would blow up an oil tanker in order to give themselves cover. And I don't think we would blow one up to force them to reconsider, since the result is not necessarily predictable.

Occam's Razor says it was Al Qaeda or sympathizers, who may not have realized it was a French tanker.

11 posted on 10/07/2002 4:19:38 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: aristeides
The French probably ignored that chemical plant explosion because it reminded them too much of their national motto, which is cound on T-shirts in classier shops. It says:

Born Toulouse

The picture of Hitler in front of the Eiffel Tower sort of captured the French spirit of self-protection, I thought.

Congressman Billybob

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12 posted on 10/07/2002 4:22:47 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: RightOnline
So, are the French shining up the rail car at Compeigne?

Gotta have a place to sign the surrender documents, you know.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

13 posted on 10/07/2002 4:24:48 AM PDT by section9
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To: Miss Marple
Occam's Razor says it was Al Qaeda or sympathizers, who may not have realized it was a French tanker.

I don't think Al Qaeda likes any Westerners, period. They may not be that discerning.

Regards, Ivan

14 posted on 10/07/2002 4:26:48 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Cheese eating surrender monkey is really on the way to negotiate the terms of surrender to Al Qaida
15 posted on 10/07/2002 4:43:11 AM PDT by Arkie2
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To: section9
Gotta have a place to sign the surrender documents, you know.

Let's not forget that the worst spur to Islamic terrorism found refuge in France in one point.

Ayatollah Khomeni.

And Air France took him back to Teheran.

Regards, Ivan

16 posted on 10/07/2002 4:43:52 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
We tried to do it their way back in the Gulf War when the arabs allowed us use of their military bases as long as we didnt go into Baghdad. "The time for half measures and talking is over" qouth Gladiator.
17 posted on 10/07/2002 4:51:12 AM PDT by aquawrench
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To: MadIvan
"Welcome to the Party, Pal"

LOL! I can't top that...

Last month, the United States Navy warned tankers to beware of attacks in the Gulf.

Shoulda listened Jacques.

18 posted on 10/07/2002 5:00:23 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: aquawrench
If they really wanted to hurt the French they would have bombed the wineries, cheese factories and Jerry Lewis DVD factories.

Has France surrendered yet, or are they just gathering up Westerners to hand over?

19 posted on 10/07/2002 5:03:06 AM PDT by Lance Romance
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To: MadIvan
Yippie Chi Yeah!
20 posted on 10/07/2002 5:14:13 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: MadIvan
A wall map in one of bin Laden's training centres in Kabul depicts the French navy and French military bases on the Red Sea coast of Africa as part of the "Crusader assault on Islamic Holy Places".

So ole Jackie receives this information and thinks what?

"Oh those nutty arabs, they're just having fun playing Where in the World is Matt Lauer?!"

Let this be a lesson to you appeasers, when you have brie for brains, you're a cheesehead.

21 posted on 10/07/2002 5:25:40 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty
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To: SkyPilot

"Come out to the Yemeni coast, we'll get together, have a few laughs..."

Regards, Ivan

22 posted on 10/07/2002 5:26:00 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Have they surrendered yet?
23 posted on 10/07/2002 5:41:54 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: MadIvan
Sacrebleu! You mean dat zee sweaty Arabs havit out for us too? No no mon ami. C'est lamour!
24 posted on 10/07/2002 5:42:06 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: RJCogburn
Having been in these parts perhaps a bit too long, I speculate that this incident is reminiscent of Tonkin Gulf and the C Turner Joy.....a staged incident to give the French cover to be more helpful to US/British efforts against Iraq.

Not crazy at all. Now if you really want to christen the tin foil, consider this far fetched notion that I'm sure will be bandied about my numerous anti-American sympathizers. They will say that the U.S. CIA was behind this attack, so as to propel France to take our side. Utter nonsense, but I'm sure it will be out there and believed in many circles.

25 posted on 10/07/2002 5:46:27 AM PDT by randita
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26 posted on 10/07/2002 5:47:45 AM PDT by William McKinley
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To: chance33_98
LOL (grimly)! Do you have one of Adolf et al. wearing those towel-kinda things--nodooses or something like that???
27 posted on 10/07/2002 5:50:15 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: MadIvan
You might recall that another guest of the French in an earlier time was Ho Chi Minh. Look what the French hospitality got them in that case, eh.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}
28 posted on 10/07/2002 5:50:30 AM PDT by alfa6
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To: MadIvan
Europe presents a posture of utter weakness in the ignorant belief that it will protect them from attack.

They also count on the US to protect them if their cowardice fails to protect them.

29 posted on 10/07/2002 6:00:46 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: MadIvan
What would it take to mount 4 or 5 of those GE gatling guns on the decks of these ships.....you know, the ones that spit out 10 rounds a second? Hell, feed me and give me decent crew quarters and I'd volunteer for that turkey shoot for free.
30 posted on 10/07/2002 6:43:16 AM PDT by taxed2death
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To: MadIvan
Well, that's just too bad for the smelly French. Shave and wipe your rear and shower off. Your whole country stinks up the place.
31 posted on 10/07/2002 6:49:29 AM PDT by CreekerFreeper
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To: randita
Wouldn't this conspiracy theory conflict with the previous conspiracy theory, that the oil companies are controlling American foreign policy? Won't this attack raise the insurance costs for big oil?
32 posted on 10/07/2002 7:11:28 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt
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To: chance33_98
La Belle France!
33 posted on 10/07/2002 7:16:14 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: MadIvan
You're jumping the gun. No link to terrorism has been established in this explosion. Speculation? Of course = Yemen. But not a done deal, as this thread suggests.
34 posted on 10/07/2002 7:31:45 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: alfa6
Pol Pot, too.
35 posted on 10/07/2002 9:40:17 AM PDT by hang 'em
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To: randita; Miss Marple
That's why I wonder if I have been at FreeRepublic too long.

A few years ago, the thought would not have even entered my mind. But, now....

I would never have considered that Caity Mahoney's murder at the Starbucks was anything but a botched robbery, or Barbara Wise's death was suspicious, or that Vince Foster's death was not a tragic suicide, or that my government might cover up a possible link to Muslims at the OKC bombing or that the attack on the USS Liberty was anything other than a big error.

Go figure.....
36 posted on 10/07/2002 11:01:45 AM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: MadIvan
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37 posted on 10/07/2002 12:30:34 PM PDT by ffrancone
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To: Miss Marple
What you said, Miss Marple
38 posted on 10/07/2002 12:31:25 PM PDT by ffrancone
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To: Miss Marple
I would suggest that either al Qaeda or Iraq is deliberately attacking the French. Why? Neither want the French to approve the pending US security council resolution.

The paranoid "gulf of tonkin" argument is probably wrong. It suggests that the French actually want to invade Iraq and are looking for a pretext.

Rather than ascribing a sudden fit of bravery to the French leadership, a dubious proposition at best, it is much simpler to posit that Saddam doesn't want the French to approve the US Security council resolution. So he is firing a shot across their bow. It will work. They will bow.

39 posted on 10/07/2002 12:53:48 PM PDT by ffrancone
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To: MadIvan
Ho Chi Min, too. They like exiles.
40 posted on 10/07/2002 1:15:32 PM PDT by RightWhale
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