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Benny Morris Reconsiders
Arutz Sheva ^ | 06 October 2002 | Ian Katz

Posted on 10/07/2002 5:42:27 AM PDT by SJackson

The radical Israeli historian who did more than any other to force his country to face up to its responsibility for the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in the 1948 war now believes the Middle East might be at peace if David Ben-Gurion had expelled all the Palestinians.

In an about-turn that will horrify his former Liberal allies, Benny Morris argues in the Guardian that "perhaps, had [Ben-Gurion] gone the whole hog, today´s Middle East would be a healthier, less violent place, with a Jewish state between Jordan and the Mediterranean and a Palestinian Arab state in Transjordan". He adds: "Perhaps it was the very indecisiveness of the geographic and demographic outcome of 1948 that underlies the persisting tragedy of Palestine."

Mr. Morris´s remarks will be highly controversial, both because of his stature as one of Israel´s leading so-called "new historians" and because the idea of "transfer" - expelling all Palestinians - has recently gained currency among Israeli right-wingers.

Mr. Morris, who once went to jail rather than serve in the Israeli military, shocked many in February when he declared in the Guardian that he no longer believed that a two-state solution could bring peace to the region.

During the 1948 war, initiated by the Jewish state´s Arab neighbours, more than 700,000 Palestinians abandoned their homes, many of them driven out by Israeli forces. Around 150,000 remained within Israel´s 1948 borders, a population which has now swelled to around one million Israel´s total population of six million.

During the late 1980s Mr. Morris, who now teaches history at Ben-Gurion University, and a handful of other revisionist scholars used archive material to challenge Israel´s prevailing "patriotic history", according to which the Palestinians had left of their own free will. They were bitterly criticized by many on the Israeli right who accused them of offering intellectual aid to the enemy.

Last night Professor Avi Shlaim, another eminent Israeli historian who challenged the orthodoxy, said: "What Israel carried out in 1948 was ethnic cleansing and what Benny is telling us now is that Ben-Gurion should have been more thorough and comprehensive in his policy of ethnic cleansing. Benny seems to have lost his moral bearings."

Prof Shlaim added: "It is very ironic that Benny Morris, who has done more than any other scholar to reveal the full extent of Israel´s expulsion of the Palestinians in 1948 has come full circle and is today suggesting that Israel did not expel enough Palestinians in 1948. What this boils down to is that Benny Morris seems to have joined the ranks of the Israeli right. The Israeli right has no other solution to the conflict except transfer and Benny seems to be endorsing that policy. "

In his article, Mr. Morris says he wonders what Ben-Gurion, Israel´s first leader, would have made of Palestinian suicide bombings and "the tone of rejectionism that characterizes much Palestinian rhetoric" and he concludes: "Perhaps he would now regret his restraint."

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Ian Katz writes for The Guardian , where this article originally appeared.


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1 posted on 10/07/2002 5:42:27 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Benny seems to have lost his moral bearings

Looks like he just found them.

2 posted on 10/07/2002 5:48:29 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: Alouette
Benny Morris' departure from the ranks of the Tenured Reds came a year so ago when he began to dissent from the party line at Bezerkeley on a sabbatical here. And since then he hasn't looked back.
3 posted on 10/07/2002 6:21:45 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: SJackson
It's not Zionism, it's "transfer".
4 posted on 10/07/2002 6:31:49 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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5 posted on 10/07/2002 7:13:20 AM PDT by William McKinley
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To: SJackson; Lent
Mr. Morris says he wonders what Ben-Gurion, Israel´s first leader, would have made of Palestinian suicide bombings

Yeah, do these "new historians" have the courage to examine it in depth?

6 posted on 10/07/2002 8:06:42 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Alouette
History shows, that if there is a tribal conflict it is not settled until parties either cleansed or assimilated each other.

Just compare the outcomes of two different Arabo-Israeli wars (1948 and 1967). There was substantial ethnic cleansing in the former case and there were no cleansing to speak about in the latter one. So, the war on 1948 is mostly settled and forgotten and the war of 1967 is still going on.

This turnaround shows the importance of calling the spade spade. The guy was analyzing 'ethnic cleansing', so he had a chance to look at other tribal conflicts for analogies and he had a chance to straighten out his mind. I doubt that there would be any chances of this turn around had he use 'transfer' as a moniker.

I seems to me that Jews would not be able to win PR war until they throw away the euphemism of 'transfer' and start openly talking about 'ethnic cleansing' and revision of Geneva Conventions of 1949.

7 posted on 10/07/2002 8:32:10 AM PDT by alex
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To: monkeyshine
Yeah, do these "new historians" have the courage to examine it in depth?

Shlaim is exaggerating Morris' historical take on the Arab exodus. Maybe anywhere from 10-20% were "driven" out by my reading of Morris' The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. And this wasn't according to a "pogrom" but a hastily put together and expedient position which was reactionary to the Arab aggression (most of it consistent with protection from "fifth column" issues). Efraim Karsh severely (and effectively) exposed Morris' very liberal and at times dishonest use of the historical records as is characteristic of most "New Historians". To Morris' credit however, he was much less dishonest then the other revionist historians and clearly centered the blame on the Arabs themselves.

8 posted on 10/07/2002 9:56:03 AM PDT by Lent
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To: Lent
revionist=revisionist
9 posted on 10/07/2002 10:58:21 AM PDT by Lent
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To: Alouette
Lost or Found????

what he is saying is "Ethnic Cleansing works". It is a scary thought, but has historical basis. I dont see he changed any moral basis, just understanding the consequences of historical actions.

I dont think you'd want to visit on any people what eg, the Turks did to the Armenians in 1921.

What happened in 1948 was this: Arabs were encouraged by both sides to fight against the new Israeli country born that year and also to flee. Many were displaced, many stayed and are now israeli arabs and many congregated in the west bank and gaza. They have been picking the wounds since rather than rebuilding and moving on. If more were displaced, then what? there would still be the conflict just in a different form. Remember Jenin? that's been run as a camp for *decades*... whats up with that?




10 posted on 10/07/2002 4:05:43 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: WOSG
If more were displaced, then what? there would still be the conflict just in a different form. Remember Jenin? that's been run as a camp for *decades*... whats up with that?

There are 22 other Arab Muslim countries that could welcome and absorb their "Palestinian" brethren with no problems such as assimilating into the culture, learning the language, the culture, etc. They don't wakt them in. Why not? To use them as attack animals against the Israelis.

What is to prevent the 22 other Arab Muslim countries from accepting their Arab Muslim brethren? They don't have enough LAND????


11 posted on 10/07/2002 4:27:27 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Alouette
Sure the concept could work, but view it the other way 'round.

I read an interview with one of the Hamas leaders posted on freerepublic.Hamas wants to destroy israel as a nation and replae it with an islamic state. This hamas leader was asked 'well where would they ( the Jews of Israel) go?' back to Russia, europe, etc., 'all the countries they came from'. lots of countries to take them in his world-view. what a disaster of an idea. but why would palestinians accept forced moves of themselves to other countries over this 'solution'?

of the solutions - live together, partition and live in 2 countries, move the palestinians out, move the israelis out - which one is most likely to be acceptable to BOTH sides?

I have no great answers, just doubts that any "solution" can simply ignore the wishes of the other people involved.

one thought: Bush's "nonnegotiable demand of human dignity" should be the starting point.
12 posted on 10/07/2002 7:58:30 PM PDT by WOSG
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