Posted on 10/07/2002 2:34:48 PM PDT by OPS4
The National Council of Churches is attacking Jerry Falwells stance on 60 minutes. Please email him and support him through all news outlets and at his Liberty University Site.
Christians and Jews are under enormous attacks worldwide, and it is time we all unite with one voice.
God Bless America! Ops4
Yes, and God also struck people down and allowed them to suffer and die from horrible diseases several places in the Bible.
Would that justify us going into the Hospitals where people have terminal diseases and tell them their own sins are to blame for what's happened to them?
We could easily point out verses in the Bible that are examples of this, just as some on this board are doing.
This simple-minded application of scripture by those who think the Bible is there for them to judge others with, especially those who have just suffered a horrible crime or misfortune...is reprehensible and meanspirited.
Get's a little stickier when you find yourself on the other side of the table from old Abe, doesn't it Buckoo?
I do not judge others. I do judge actions. And I am not offended when someone calls me a sinner. The last time I checked, I am and so is everyone else on this earth. The fact is we sacrifice our children and any scruples we might have to the god of Self. This is a fact and one I'm certain God is not pleased with.
Pot, meet kettle.
There is a difference between God's punishment and His not protecting us or blessing us because of our sin. Falwell never said God caused or blessed or was pleased with the events of 9/11 because of our sin (and no doubt Osama and company will go straight to Hell). Falwell merely said that God stepped aside from protecting us and allowed the evil intent of others to succeed.
Furthermore, in a interesting display of your cognitive abilities, your reply can only lead one to believe that you agree Falwell is an utter fool. And here I thought you were defending the guy.
Wrong. That is not the argument at all.
The disagreement is with sanctimonious self-righteous people who claim to have some devine knowledge of a correspondence between some horrible crime, such as the murder of 3,000 innocent and unsuspecting civilians..and some sin or sins they decide this act is punishment for.
And the fact that they point their fingers at those things which just happen to be their pet peeves.
Big surprise.
The idea that anyone would exploit such a horrific crime against so many humans as an opportunity to push their personal agenda is warped and meanspirited.
Get's a little stickier when you find yourself on the other side of the table from old Abe, doesn't it Buckoo?
I didn't disagree with Lincoln at all.
I disagreed with your unbalanced and inaccurate application of his words to this situation.
Saying a nation is suffering for it's own doing is not the same thing as blaming a nation for an attack by murdering terrorists.
A distinction which seems to have gone over your head.
Like many of you have said, most people aren't refuting what Falwell said, they're just attacking him for his character.
On the whole Muhammad=terrorist thing, I'd just like to quote from the history textbook I'm currently studying from (which is, for the most part, left-of-center in how it describes coditions):
At Medina, Muhammad established the ummah, a single community distinct from other people. But the Muslims were not content to confine themselves to a minor outpost at Medina. Above all, it was essential for the success of the new religion to control Mecca, still a potent holy place. In 624, Muhammad led a small contingent to ambush a huge Meccan caravan brimming with goods; at the Battle of Badr, aided by their position near an oasis, he and his followers killed forty-nine of the Meccan enemy, took numerous prisoners, and confiscated rich booty. This was a major turning point for the fledgling religion. With the Battle of Badr, traditional Bedouin plundering was grafted to the Muslim duty of Jihad (literally "striving", but often translated as "holy war").
The battle of Badr was a great triumph for Muhammad, who was not able to consolidate his position at Medina, gaining new adherents and silencing all doubters. For example, the Jews at Medina, whom Muhammad had at first seen as allies, had not converted to Islam as he had expected. Right after the Battle of Badr, suspecting them of supporting hostile tribes, Muhammad atacked the Jews at Medina, eventually expelling, executing, or enslaving them.
Source:The Making of the West:Peoples and Cultures Volume A:To 1500 P.284
What are you talking about?
Nowhere did I ever claim the ability to "divine when a national tragedy is a punishment from God and when it isn't."
How silly. Try to respond to positions I actually take instead of making up those you want to argue against.
By the way your distinction is senseless.
Huh? The distinction between blaming a nation of people for what they are clearly doing to themselves, and blaming them for what some outside force comes and does to them.... is senseless?
It's amazing to me that you cannot, or refuse to recognize the difference.
Anyone who cannot see the difference between blaming a person for what they do to themself, and on the other hand blaming them when so maniac commits a horrible crime against them, has totally lost their moral compass.
If you don't get the distinction now, I guess you never will.
Not 'a nation'--America on 9/11/2001. Not 'a nation as a whole'--3000 countrymen. Not 'a portion of its population'--just the ones you don't like. You couldn't bear to say the specifics, could you?
What does that tell you?
I AM a Christian. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. He is the risen Messiah, to know him is to know His Father. I ask Him into my heart that he may wash away my sins and make me worthy of his Grace. Amen.
I still vehemently disagree that God 'let' 3000 of my countrymen die at the hands of murderous arabs 'cuz of the homos, abortion, nudie pictures, or Disney Gay Day.
That's exactly right. 'See I told you so' is not a Christ-like emotion, it's sick and self-gratifying.
I agree with Barry......
redrock
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