Unsolved Mystery: Origin Of 800-Year-Old Artifacts Eludes Experts (Portland, Oregon)

Columbian.com ^ | 10-6-2002 | Dean Baker

[Artist]

Very interesting. Thanks.

[ET(end tyranny)]

Could you please put me on your ping list for this sort of stuff? Me too.

[FreeLibertarian]

Great stuff! Will you please put me on your ping list?

[SW6906]

Thanks for the pictures and the links.

A ping list is just a semi-colon-separated list of freepers that you cut and paste into the "To:" box on a reply to a post. This results in those Freepers seeing "New posts to you" on their profile and they can then find the article you are "pinging" them to.

All it requires is your maintaining that semi-colon-separated list of freepers somewhere like in Word or in your email program.....

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

Kennewick Man	Patrick Stewart

Separated at birth...?

[blam]

"Separated at birth...?"

Everyone says that, lol.

[JimSEA]

Interesting article! I assume that the amulets have been compared with East Asian Buddhist amulet types (beyond just the style of hair)? The point would be that the hair style might have changed after the Asians coming to America but the amulet type might be similar. Also, even though this is dated prior to the Chinook culture, the Northwest cultures were quite advanced and could have merged with the fishermen after several generations??

[blam]

"Also, even though this is dated prior to the Chinook culture, the Northwest cultures were quite advanced and could have merged with the fishermen after several generations??"

That's what I would expect also.

[KneelBeforeZod]

why do they assume these were real people? maybe they were just made up, like a lot of other myths.

[blam]

"why do they assume these were real people? maybe they were just made up, like a lot of other myths.

Because they found real artifacts.

[KneelBeforeZod]

so...Anubis, the wolf headed god is real since he was found on real artifacts?

[blam]

"so...Anubis, the wolf headed god is real since he was found on real artifacts?"

No. It was real people who made the statues/etchings of Anubis. Anubis may have been a myth but, the people weren't.

[sneakypete]

Because they found real artifacts.

Blam,I THINK he may have meant the amulets were the result of artistic license,and not representative of real people.Maybe this is how they visualized gods or demons?

[blam]

"Blam,I THINK he may have meant the amulets were the result of artistic license,and not representative of real people.Maybe this is how they visualized gods or demons?"

I understand that. It wasn't completely what was depicted in the art work, the material (ceramic) itself was unique/foreign to that time/area. The American Indians did not do ceramics. So...who did it?

[JudyB1938]

If you post those pictures, BM, please flag me. I will be most interested in seeing them. In fact, I'll bet everybody on this thread will want to be flagged!

Cool!

BTW, blam ... do you think the dating is accurate? Could it have been earlier when China sent over people to find "the land of the rising sun" - a time when something happened that destroyed the former calendar? Did you ever get Henrietta Mertz' book that explained all of that? I am just sick! I can't find my copy. Boo ..

[blam]

[blam]

Ping.

[Bernard Marx]

Thanks, Blam, for posting these images - even if I can't see them with my browser for some reason. All I get are squares with little red 'x's in them for some reason.

This "amulet" was dug up in the 1960s or 70s by a relative in the back yard of his home in Twin Falls, ID, about a quarter mile from the Snake River. This area was on the route of the Oregon Trail and the region had large American Indian populations and migrations over a long period.

I've done a lot of reading/studying about indigenous populations in the Americas and this object struck me as something unusual. The turban and what appears to be a diadem in its center seem more Asian than Amerind, and the delicate features of the face seem out of place to me. Maybe an expert on the region could identify it in a second or two, but I thought it might be of interest here.

The material (as I recall) was a compact fine-grained stone, maybe even basalt (which is abundant in the area) with some sort of white pigment used to highlight certain areas. It was about two inches long. Unfortunately, the relative in question was just a young kid at the time, digging a cave in his yard, and didn't take note of any scientific features of the find or any associated objects. It must have been found at a fairly shallow depth (although I recall some of the caves I dug at that age were dangerously deep)! I don't know if the thing still exists -- the last time I asked him about it he wasn't sure.

There's probably no relationship with the other items mentioned in this thread. As a matter of interest, this object was found only a few miles from the quarry where the remains of the 10,800 year-old Buhl Woman were discovered in 1989.

[Diana Rose]

North America is starting to look like a Dag gone Pre-Columbian "Stop N' Shop"

[blam]

Geez...now I can't see them. Who knows. Maybe they have some kind of time out built in???? Bill(blam)