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Posted on 10/08/2002 10:10:21 AM PDT by epluribus_2

Rush's fill in says police have BOLO for two hispanic men. When asked could they be M.E.'ers, source said - could be. Then the host went on to tie Gertz's book on 9/11 where a known Al-Qaeda cell was active in Prince George's County in the same town as one of the shootings.


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My thought is - since we are in a war, what would it hurt to treat attacks like these as if they were intentional terror (US federal support) attacks? Seems like a better default proposition when our capitol starts looking more like the Gaza than hometown USA.
1 posted on 10/08/2002 10:10:21 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: epluribus_2
Well, it would be alot simpler to call in the Feds if Tom Daschle had acted to pass the Homeland Security Bill. Maybe that's the reason they are so slow to admit that this is terrorism.

I am told that residents of Maryland who have homes elsewhere are leaving the area, maybe permanently. They sure think that it is terrorism.
2 posted on 10/08/2002 10:13:30 AM PDT by Eva
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To: epluribus_2
When will the conspiracy freaks be claiming the US Government is behind these killings? Any guesses?
3 posted on 10/08/2002 10:13:48 AM PDT by zarf
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4 posted on 10/08/2002 10:14:17 AM PDT by William McKinley
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To: epluribus_2
Probably not a good idea to think of every such incident as ME terrorists since there are so many domestic nutcases the false alarms would only make people complacent or cause people not to take known terrorist acts seriously.
5 posted on 10/08/2002 10:15:13 AM PDT by piasa
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To: zarf
You just did...
6 posted on 10/08/2002 10:15:22 AM PDT by dts32041
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To: zarf
Already happened earlier today on the long thread about the killings.
7 posted on 10/08/2002 10:15:50 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: epluribus_2
If there are two men who are involved in "random" shootings, one has to assume that these are not your typical gang members (who basically kill over turf wars). Nor are these your typical serial killers (who with the exception of the Hillside Stranglers are people who work alone).

Thus my conclusion is that these are terrorist acts. They should BOLO for middle easterners who may look hispanic rather than the reverse.

8 posted on 10/08/2002 10:16:24 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: epluribus_2
This type of attack could function as cover to move equipment into Washington.

Every policemen in the area is looking for a white truck with black lettering. Are we looking away while the rabbit is being put in the hat?

We might not be at war with Iraq, but they might be at war with us.

9 posted on 10/08/2002 10:16:34 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: zarf
Of course, don't they always?
10 posted on 10/08/2002 10:16:43 AM PDT by piasa
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To: epluribus_2
The host is Roger Hedgecock out of San Diego. A caller also pointed out that among the terrorists recently arrested in Portland, was one who was caught shooting in a gravel pit shortly after 9/11/2001 due to a noise complaint. He was with others, all dressed in ME garb.
11 posted on 10/08/2002 10:17:37 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: zarf
When will the conspiracy freaks be claiming the US Government is behind these killings? Any guesses?

I'll guess a conspiracy. Anti-gun nuts hired a killer because their funding is way down. (I don't trust 'em after a Million Mom Marcher gave a neighbor kid a gun to shoot at kids in school.)

12 posted on 10/08/2002 10:20:05 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: zarf
Hey I work in the Laurel area and there was/is a huge network of Arabs around here and apparently an Al Qaeda cell with a big mideast bigwig heading it up.

I mean, if NBC is saying they think its a white male based on demographic probability, why cant you specifically say whats most likely the perps. This is their MO, top to bottom, according to captured al Qaeda documents..

13 posted on 10/08/2002 10:21:08 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: GOPJ
Movement into washington, or maybe Chicago - head fake.
14 posted on 10/08/2002 10:21:35 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: TheDon
These kinds of shootings were supposedly part of al Qaeda's gameplan--I remember reading about this maybe a month ago or more.
15 posted on 10/08/2002 10:22:02 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier
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To: epluribus_2
Then the host went on to tie Gertz's book on 9/11 where a known Al-Qaeda cell was active in Prince George's County in the same town as one of the shootings.

What does Gertz say about this?

I just posted the following in another thread:

Here's a curious fact:

One of the 9/11 hijackers, Hani Hanjour, had tried to rent a plane in Bowie, MD. (He was turned down because his flight skills were so poor; he was allowed three qualifying test flights during the second week of August.) See this Newsday article.

Just a coincidence? Or is there a continuing al-Qaeda presence in that area?

16 posted on 10/08/2002 10:22:16 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: epluribus_2
I hope parents in the area have chosen to homeschool.
17 posted on 10/08/2002 10:23:39 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: P-Marlowe
They should BOLO for middle easterners who may look hispanic rather than the reverse.

I think that "two swarthy males" does just fine.

18 posted on 10/08/2002 10:25:23 AM PDT by kezekiel
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To: Mitchell
That airfield is right by the school I heard on a another thread.
19 posted on 10/08/2002 10:26:19 AM PDT by doodad
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To: Mitchell
Or is there a continuing al-Qaeda presence in that area?

Yes there is. They found 6 or 7 of them in an apartment complex behind the Laurel mall on Rte 1 in PG county. Apparently there lived there a well connected Egyptian who flew the coup after 9-11. I see a few of them around here now and then. This is definitely one of their magnet places, along with Trenton, NJ, I believe..

20 posted on 10/08/2002 10:27:05 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Nonstatist
along with Trenton, NJ, I believe..

Considering the recient court case there -- go figure! Birds of a feather flock together.

21 posted on 10/08/2002 10:28:51 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: doodad
Theres a small plane airfield off of rte 198 in PG county, near Bowie...
22 posted on 10/08/2002 10:28:54 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: epluribus_2
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23 posted on 10/08/2002 10:29:43 AM PDT by MassExodus
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To: zarf
The bad thing about it is that our government doesn't have avery good record when it comes to honesty and veracity. If a spokespersosn for the government were to deny any involvement, could we really believe it? I would want to believe it, but there would always be a kernal of doubt in the back of my mind.
24 posted on 10/08/2002 10:31:35 AM PDT by oldfart
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To: Eva

IF I lived with in 2ooo ft of a PARK I would boogie...

First shot fired at a store...named Michaels (arch angel???) shot most likely fired from the "symbolic" cemetery  (GATE OF HEAVEN) that has a CROSS in the center of it. RED circle represents 900 ft diamter - see scale in the upper right hand corner in all little maps.

 

WEDNESDAY first of two shootings

Second shot FIRST victim - safety of a park again?

WEDNESDAY second of two shootings

Third shot - 2nd victim - the "comfort of a park???

THURSDAY FIRST shooting

 

Fourth shot - 3rd victim - BACK at the first scene...is it symbolic? "Gate of Heaven"??? Felt safe there? Wanted to practice LONG range shots???

THURSDAY second shooting

Fifth shot - 4th victim - hmmmm 2 parks to pick from....3

THURSDAY third shooting

Sixth shot - 5th victim- Parks near by but suspect shots were fired from the railway tracks...possible walked from one of the parks. Suspect probably has a knapsack and field strips the gun to conceal it ???

THURSDAY fourth shooting (another PERP that doesn't need to use a park???)

 

Seventh shot - sixth victim- walking near a ....PARK!

THURSDAY fifth shooting

Friday - one assualt victim - out of state...seems to break pattern...BUT the target has shot victim at a Michaels store...wonder about the surroundings...wonder if area is surrounded by trees to allow "cover", I suspect entrance to the area was alond the stream/river from I-95 heading WNW towards the red star.  (another PERP that doesn't need to use a park???)

 

MONDAY - one assualt victim - BACK to the "park" pattern.

25 posted on 10/08/2002 10:31:52 AM PDT by antivenom
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To: epluribus_2
Padilla was Hispanic. He was also a musliterrorist. The two are not mutually exclusive.
26 posted on 10/08/2002 10:33:08 AM PDT by JohnYankeeCmpsr
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Hey I work in the Laurel area and there was/is a huge network of Arabs around here

Maryland has one of the largest percentages of moslems in the US, I was trying to find the chart I saw yesterday, but there are 70,000 in Maryland, though I don't know what the actual percentage is at the moment.

27 posted on 10/08/2002 10:33:31 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: TheDon
A caller also pointed out that among the terrorists recently arrested in Portland, was one who was caught shooting in a gravel pit shortly after 9/11/2001 due to a noise complaint. He was with others, all dressed in ME garb.

None of the articles I saw on FR mentioned that. I posted one over here.

On the evening of Sept. 29, 2001, a citizen called the Skamania County Sheriff's Department to report that gun shots were heard at a gravel pit on private property.

Skamania County Deputy Sheriff Mark Mercer discovered Battle, Ford, Ahmed Bilal, Al Saoub and several other men of Middle Eastern descent at the gravel pit target shooting.

They were using a 12-gauge Remington 870 shotgun; a 30:06 rifle with scope; a Chinese SKS 7.62 assault rifle; a Kel-Tec 9mm, semiautomatic pistol and a Makarov 9mm semiautomatic pistol, according to the indictment.

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Bryan said the group was discovered shooting at the gravel pit wearing long, flowing white robes that are often worn in Middle Eastern countries because of the heat.

"It was two weeks after 9/11. You don't see men dressed in that sort of attire with those weapons around here. It just stood out," Bryan said.

When asked why they weren't charged at the gravel pit, Bryan said, "Technically, they were trespassing, certainly, that's not the crime of the century."

28 posted on 10/08/2002 10:36:16 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: doodad; aristeides; Nogbad; keri
That airfield is right by the school I heard on a another thread.

I looked up the addresses. Here's a map from Yahoo. 1 = Freeway Airport, 2 = Benjamin Tasker Middle School. Maybe there's somebody here who knows the area who can confirm this? (Maybe aristeides?)


29 posted on 10/08/2002 10:36:59 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: antivenom
Thanks for the maps. The school shooting is also right by Freeway Airport, where 9/11 hijacker Hani Hanjour tried to rent a plane (so we know that the area has been frequented by al-Qaeda). See post #29 above.
30 posted on 10/08/2002 10:39:26 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: antivenom
Wow - Great job antivenom!
31 posted on 10/08/2002 10:39:44 AM PDT by Jennifer in Florida
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To: GOPJ
GOPJ:

Good thought. This would tie up law enforcement resources while more important stuff was happening.

32 posted on 10/08/2002 10:39:46 AM PDT by ffrancone
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To: epluribus_2
My thought is - since we are in a war, what would it hurt to treat attacks like these as if they were intentional terror (US federal support) attacks? Seems like a better default proposition when our capitol starts looking more like the Gaza than hometown USA.

The feds took over the case this morning. Is that fast enough?

33 posted on 10/08/2002 10:41:09 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: The Old Hoosier
You're right. I read an article posted here on FR about that as well. Can't seem to locate it though.
34 posted on 10/08/2002 10:44:22 AM PDT by spokanite
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To: antivenom
Excellent review of the situation...great graphics!
You may be on to something.
35 posted on 10/08/2002 10:44:30 AM PDT by pgobrien
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To: antivenom
Great stuff. Only comment I would have is that it would be even better with a 300 yard circle centered on the location of the victim. The effect would be the same, but you don't have to have overlapping circles on all possible firing locations.

LTS

36 posted on 10/08/2002 10:46:38 AM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon
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To: epluribus_2
Wanna bet this is another disgruntled white male U.S. postal worker with a gun fetish?
37 posted on 10/08/2002 10:46:40 AM PDT by Z-28
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To: TheDon
But CNN assured us that it was white males? White males clearly need an org that can start protesting and suing over s*** like this!
38 posted on 10/08/2002 10:48:18 AM PDT by Righty1
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To: Nonstatist
I used to live in the Laurel area and have many friends there. That's the word they're getting ...white guy! Even though there are huge amounts of Arab types walking around everywhere with rather harsh attitudes toward Bush, NBC and CNN have put the word out that we're to overlook the obvious and look for a white guy. Some African-American sounding guy called into Mike Reagan's show yesterday and suggested all white guys be rounded up and jailed until we get the sniper.
40 posted on 10/08/2002 10:48:30 AM PDT by FryingPan101
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... a Chinese SKS 7.62 assault rifle...

That is a Chinese SKS 7.62 Homeland Defense Rifle.

'Assault Rifle' is a dirty term invented by gun control freaks to descriminate against black, scary looking firearms.

'Homeland Defense Rifle' is far better and more descriptive for black rifles that scare gun control freaks.

41 posted on 10/08/2002 10:50:46 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner
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To: MassExodus
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42 posted on 10/08/2002 10:50:48 AM PDT by Johnny Shear
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To: concerned about politics
Whoa!!! Tell me about this incident!
43 posted on 10/08/2002 10:51:30 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Johnny Shear
Why intern when we can deport?
44 posted on 10/08/2002 10:52:09 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: epluribus_2
Roger also talked about 6 Mohammedans being arrested for firing "high-powered rifles at a gravel pit" within the last week. I forget where.
45 posted on 10/08/2002 10:52:50 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Dave S
Anyone know if Md is a right-to-carry CCW state (like my MI)? If my family lived there, I would at least want a level playing field.
46 posted on 10/08/2002 10:53:35 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: antivenom
It seems the shooting in Fredericksburg was near a PET CEMETARY.
47 posted on 10/08/2002 10:54:00 AM PDT by Dog
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To: Nonstatist
What county is Laurel in?
48 posted on 10/08/2002 10:54:16 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Peach; GummyIII; Pete
New thread...

PRevious threads
Rush's fill-in says Sniper(s) is(are) Hispanic or similar...
13 Year Old Boy Shot Outside Bowie, Md. Middle School, Not Known if Sniper Related
This Killer Doesn't Fit the Expected Profile
Maryland Sniper Shootings Update Thread
Schoolboy targeted by sniper
Math Used in Hunt for Md. Sniper
Police Won't Confirm Missing Man Has Shooting Connections (Have YOU seen this man?)
Breaking- MD/DC Spree Killer Lookout Update
"Profilers: Montgomery County Shooters are Likely From Area"
Fox Cable News is reporting another shooting in D.C. area
Ashleigh Banfield, Feminist Icon: "Couldn't DC Sniper Be A Woman?"
Sniper kills for the thrill: 8th attack leaves teen near death
Police call in reinforcements in U.S. sniper hunt
Boy, 13, Wounded in Eighth Attack Linked to Sniper
CSGV Statement on Sniper Shootings in DC Metropolitan Area
In the Age of Terror, a Sniper Brings Danger Close to Home Again
Md. Shooting Linked to Sniper Spree
PROFILE HINTS WHERE MD. SNIPER WILL STRIKE NEXT
D.C. on Alert As Sniper Roams Free
Sixth death linked to sniper - Police want to talk to N.C. ex-resident [Robert Gene Baker - photo]
Another DC-area sniper-style shooting

49 posted on 10/08/2002 10:54:36 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: antivenom
I think you are correct in your park theory, the shooter would need good cover so as not to be seen and to muffle the sound of the shot. Good work!
50 posted on 10/08/2002 10:54:59 AM PDT by jpsb
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