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Washington sniper leaves taunting message on Tarot card
Agence France-Presse | 10/09/02

Posted on 10/09/2002 2:41:16 AM PDT by kattracks

The sniper who killed six people and wounded two others in the Washington area in the past week left a message to police at the scene of his last shooting scribbled on the Death card of the Tarot, The Washington Post said.

"Dear policeman, I am God," read the message on the card used in fortune telling, police sources consulted by the daily confirmed late Tuesday.

The message was found 150 yards (meters) from the school entrance in Prince George's County, Maryland -- northeast of here, where a 13-year-old boy was shot and seriously wounded Monday by the sniper as he was being dropped off by his parents.

The playing card was found in a wooded area where police also found a shell casing and a matted area of grass where they suspect the killer lay in waiting for his victim.

News of the message was first broadcast late Tuesday by the local WUSA-TV television station and confirmed later to the Post by police sources.

Questioned by the daily, Prince George's County Police chief Gerald Wilson, refused to comment on the report. "There's nothing I can say in regards to that."

Another police source told the daily the television report had severely impaired the police investigation into the shootings.

The 13-year-old who remains in critical condition in hospital was the latest victim of the killer who stalks his victims and is believed to be driving around in a white van.

Five people were fatally shot within a 16-hour period last week between Wednesday and Thursday in Montgomery County, Maryland.

A sixth victim was shot in the chest late Thursday while standing on a street corner close to the Maryland border in Washington DC.

On Friday, a woman was shot in the back in the parking lot of a shopping mall in Fredericksburg, Virginia, some 80 kilometers (50 miles) south of Washington. She was hospitalized and reported in fair condition.

No clear pattern has emerged in the attacks. The victims were both male and female, and of varying races and ages.

But ballistics tests have linked six of the eight shootings. Two bullets were in poor shape, making it difficult to link them conclusively to the other shootings, officials said.

Police believe a single gunman, described as a marksman using a high-powered hunting or military rifle, is behind the attacks.

Rewards for information leading to the capture of the killer have mushroomed from 50,000 dollars to almost 200,000 dollars.

Schools in the counties where the sniper has struck are keeping children indoors and police helicopters buzz overhead as public anxiety mounts over the eight random attacks.



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1 posted on 10/09/2002 2:41:16 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: PatrickHenry
Don't you use tarot cards occasionally in your posts? {;^)>
2 posted on 10/09/2002 2:47:35 AM PDT by Junior
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To: kattracks
This one's a real looney.
3 posted on 10/09/2002 2:55:36 AM PDT by RLK
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To: kattracks
"Dear policeman, I am God,"

We should be checking the alibis of all Planned Parenthood personnel.

4 posted on 10/09/2002 3:10:20 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan; RLK
I posted this on another thread, I'll post it here too.

Out of curiousity, who do you think it is? I'm going with ex military, white male, younger than the profile says- maybe 26- 32 yrs of age. After the calling card was found, I started to think it wasn't more than one guy after all, just someone who has always had a fantasy of sniping. The card said "I am God".

I would imagine it gives the guy an incredible sense of power to look through his scope and play the game of "I will now decide if you die or not". I would imagine the guy has lain in his house with his rifle trained on passersby or his neighbors while they were totally unaware of the "power" he held over them and I imagine even then, he received a powerful intoxication from the thought that he was "God-like" in the power of life and death he held in his trigger finger for the totally unsuspecting. I would imagine he had a round in the chamber, safety off, finger on the trigger with slight pressure applied when he "practiced" like this and he probably enjoyed the thought that those anonymous ones he allowed to keep living would never know how fortunate they were that he spared them.

I remember watching a video about snipers in the military. One of the guys was a police sniper. He did the above that I just described- maybe not with the evil thoughts and a round in the chamber but he definitely lay in his house aiming his rifle at his neighbors and dry fired the weapon for practice. He said he did this for hours at a time and reckoned it trained him to be sub-conciously connected to the target in his scope and prepared him for the random little movements people make. I found the guy to be kind of nutty myself.

I would also imagine this sniper hasn't been practicing at a commercial firing range lately. He probably likes to construct his own targets to look like humans and take them out into the hills somewhere to poke holes in them. He's probably fascinated with books like "Marine Sniper" or "One Shot, One Kill" and movies like "Enemy at the Gates".

Another thing about the calling card and its "I am God" message- in the Army the sniper is often nicknamed "God". This is what got me thinking about the ex-military angle in the first place. I wouldn't speculate on whether he had actually gone to the military sniping school or not or simply had wet dreams about being a sniper and going to the school- probably the latter, but then again, hard to say.

The only thing I can think of doing against him would be to call in a bunch of these ex military snipers, maybe even Carlos Hathcock himself, and ask them where they would set up in the area if they wanted to commit these sorts of crimes and then do stakeouts on these places. Maybe sit down and talk with them and find out a little bit about the sniper mentality. Maybe review the rolls of the soldiers who went through sniper school in the last 25 yrs and see how many are living in the area?

5 posted on 10/09/2002 3:25:03 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: kattracks
"Dear policeman?" Color me skeptical, but I find something awkward about that salutation.
6 posted on 10/09/2002 3:37:12 AM PDT by niteowl77
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To: Junior
Don't you use tarot cards occasionally in your posts?

Yes, but only the "Fool" card, and only when appropriate. (I've been watching your posts, waiting ...)

7 posted on 10/09/2002 3:38:15 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Prodigal Son
The only thing I can think of doing against him would be to call in a bunch of these ex military snipers, maybe even Carlos Hathcock himself, and ask them where they would set up in the area if they wanted to commit these sorts of crimes and then do stakeouts on these places.

Carlos passed away February 23, 1999 but I'd hope they've been doing that with the other military snipers

8 posted on 10/09/2002 3:52:02 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: Prodigal Son
call in a bunch of these ex military snipers, maybe even Carlos Hathcock himself, ***

If you can talk to Carlos, you can probably devine who the sniper is all by your self as poor Carlos Hathcoc has passed away. RIP

Dan

9 posted on 10/09/2002 3:58:11 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Prodigal Son
More likely a wannabe GI who could not handle discipline. If it was ever in the military I doubt it made it through basic training.
I’ve met a couple, and they read a lot of military magazines and novels – it would get the same ideas you attribute to it.
10 posted on 10/09/2002 4:01:03 AM PDT by R. Scott
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To: R. Scott
Profiler last night said something similar about "God" complex. That this guy had the finger of God complex in which he controls the fate of random individuals and can show mercy or death simply by squeezing the trigger.

He may be trying to make a design with like a pentagram or star. Or he may now go in the opposite direction and flip over to the other side of county now that everyone is looking for him on the south side. The police are going to need a lucky break to catch this puke. I'd suggest anti-sniper hunter killer types with binocs and rifles also in vans cruising the streets in malls or areas with long lines of sight. Parking lots.. open areas around parks and schools... long roads off of main thoroughfares with broad four lane traffic...I'm sure the cops are trying ... God help them..I really hope "Sniper Shi'itehead" starts to think he's invincible and screws the pooch.

He needs to resist arrest and die like a dog in the street. Or better yet have his head smashed in with a toilet seat by a trustee in security lockup after he gives his interviews to the cops.
11 posted on 10/09/2002 4:02:40 AM PDT by Dick Vomer
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To: kattracks
Does anyone know where Al Gore was when these attacks occurred?
13 posted on 10/09/2002 4:15:27 AM PDT by giznort
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To: Prodigal Son
Roger Hedgecock yesterday was talking about an AlQUeda cell in Bowie and the surrounding area. Many of them were on the planes Sep. 11. The cell apparently still operates. That's my guess as to who this creep is.
14 posted on 10/09/2002 4:18:53 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: PatrickHenry
I've been watching your posts, waiting ...

Then you might want to play a game of solitaire with them there tarot cards 'cause it's gonna be a long wait... {;^)>

15 posted on 10/09/2002 4:20:25 AM PDT by Junior
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To: SauronOfMordor; Lion Den Dan
LOL! Well, that takes me off the suspect list for sure! I knew Hathcock was getting on in years but I didn't know he had passed on although the thought had crossed my mind when I posted that ;-)
16 posted on 10/09/2002 4:28:31 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: kattracks
I'd talk to this guy:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/God.Shammgod/

17 posted on 10/09/2002 4:29:09 AM PDT by RabidBartender
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To: ovrtaxt
Me? I don't see a Muslim fanatic leaving a card referring to "God". Smart money's on a home grown crazy IMHO. We've got more than anybody can shake a stick at.
18 posted on 10/09/2002 4:30:12 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
call in a bunch of these ex military snipers, maybe even Carlos Hathcock himself,,,,,,,,,

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He died about a year ago.

19 posted on 10/09/2002 4:39:28 AM PDT by RLK
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To: kattracks
What gives here with the frog press? The mainstream US media already reported the unknown assailant is a white evangelical christian male who is a gun owning life member of the NRA. He is comfortable with bomb making materials such as fertilizer, batteries and diesel fuel. Is known to enjoy camping and other outdoor activities. Is an avid reader of militia publications such as "Field & Stream", "Outdoor Life" and "Popular Mechanics".
20 posted on 10/09/2002 4:41:33 AM PDT by fso301
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To: RLK
According to another poster on this thread it was 1999.
21 posted on 10/09/2002 4:41:36 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: fso301
Wow, when did they put that out?
22 posted on 10/09/2002 4:42:20 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
Out of curiousity, who do you think it is?

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Whoever it is, I suspect he's probably psychopathically meglamaniacal somewhat like Ted Bundy and/or Bill Clinton. Outside of that, I don't know.

23 posted on 10/09/2002 4:43:14 AM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
Oops! I cut and pasted that comment from another thread- forgot to remove that part. Sorry. Still a good question though- thanks for the answer.
24 posted on 10/09/2002 4:48:39 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
Well, whoever it is, hopefully an alert citizen with a gun will wound this idiot so the cops can interrogate him. That would be the best outcome.
25 posted on 10/09/2002 4:51:14 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
Agreed.
26 posted on 10/09/2002 5:00:28 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
According to another poster on this thread it was 1999.

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One way or the other, the phone lines don't reach that far.

27 posted on 10/09/2002 5:01:29 AM PDT by RLK
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To: kattracks
This sounds like the same kind of person as the anthrax killer. The strange salutation on the card sounds somewhat like foreign grammer which could be intentional or not. The Tarot card thing is something our military has been doing in Afganistan, leaving "death cards" on dead Taliban as a form of psyops. Strange, don't think it's satanic, more military and vengence sounding.
28 posted on 10/09/2002 5:01:58 AM PDT by chuknospam
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To: edskid; Prodigal Son
"Dear policeman?" Color me skeptical, but I find something awkward about that salutation.

Sounds to me like a teenager...or a hoax...or an inaccurate reporting of what was actually found at the scene.

Assuming it is accurate for a moment, it really does sound like a teenager, or perhaps some loonybird in his 20's.

29 posted on 10/09/2002 5:05:12 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: chuknospam
I agree. It's not Satanic. The "Death" card is the obvious card for an unknowledgeable person to leave, but there are 3-4 other cards in the deck that an occultist would probably use in preference to that one.

This really points towards a homegrown nut, probably a teenager or young man, with a passing acquaintance with occult paraphernalia.

Alternatively, this could be a copycat.

Have the "death cards" in Afghanistan been Tarot, or just ordinary playing cards? If the former, this stuff has gone more mainstream than I thought.

30 posted on 10/09/2002 5:08:16 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: AnAmericanMother
In the LEO's frantic quest for this person/s, I would seriously be skeptical of any "evidence" found. It provides that "we are making progress" cover statement, and portrays the person/s responsible as being bizarre. Like doing what he/she/it is doing is not nutty enough? I doubt the shell casing. I doubt the tarrot card. If I were a cop who had a real dislike for someone, all you need is a deck of tarrot cards and a same caliber gun to leave in someones trunk and they will be locked up for quite some time.

The key to finding this person/s is catching them in site scouting before the next round of shootings. The guy in a park looking at views and buildings. The person in the cemetary who is looking at surrounding fields of view. A person looking at parking lot video equipment.(Remember Mrs. Toogood? she was smart enough to look horizontally for witnesses but not vertically)

31 posted on 10/09/2002 5:33:27 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: blackdog
I dunno. The chief seemed genuinely angry that somebody gaffed this to the media.
32 posted on 10/09/2002 5:37:03 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: AnAmericanMother
Versus being really ticked that someone is killing innocent people and your carreer at the same time? FWIW, I think a different suburb of DC will be next.
33 posted on 10/09/2002 5:45:27 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: Dick Vomer
A great plan – but it would take a heck of a lot of manpower.
The random killer is the hardest to nail, they have no connection with the target. Most are finally caught because of tips or because they become sloppy. I hope they get this one soon – the media is becoming unglued with their repetitious speculation and repeated questions.
34 posted on 10/09/2002 5:52:53 AM PDT by R. Scott
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To: Prodigal Son
I'm going with ex military, white male, younger than the profile says- maybe 26- 32 yrs of age. After the calling card was found, I started to think it wasn't more than one guy after all, just someone who has always had a fantasy of sniping.

Good post with valid points. One thing which bothers me about your profile and others is the snipers need to not stand out as noticeable.

My main question in establishing a profile would be "What are the demographics of the neighborhoods where the shootings occured?"

I would want to know this because whites and asians tend to be uncomfortable going into predominantly black areas.

Unless the shootings were totally random, this guy had to have done some reconnoitering of the area. Or at least been familiar enough with the neighborhoods to know safe engress and egress routes. In a predominately black area, a white person will be more noticable and vice-versa.

So, what are the demographics of the neighborhoods where the shootings occured? Be the neighborhood predominantly black, mixed race or predominantly white, important clues are there to be uncovered

Unless the tarot card turns up at other sites, it's hard to know if it was left by the shooter.

He probably likes to construct his own targets to look like humans and take them out into the hills somewhere to poke holes in them

Going out in the hills suggests a person more comfortable in a rural setting that in an urban one. Such person to me would be more likely to snipe in a rural setting, small town setting or urban setting where he didn't feel uncomfortable moving around in.

He's probably fascinated with books like "Marine Sniper" or "One Shot, One Kill" and movies like "Enemy at the Gates".

Very possible but the caliber used may suggest otherwise. "Marine Sniper" dealt with .30+ caliber weapons at long ranges. "Enemy at the Gates" while an urban combat setting also dealt with .30+ caliber weapons. Such wanna-be would likely practice his craft with a bore size larger than the .223 reportedly used.

Like the sniper you mentioned sitting in his room dry firing at neighbors, this guy could be doing the same with a laser sight.

A few years ago, my wife and I were in South Florida visiting some friends. One evening, we went to a nightspot on the beach and while sitting at a sidewalk cafe looking across the road at the ocean, we saw a laser periodically probe up and down the other side of the street. I appeared to be coming from one of the nearby condominiums so we moved closer to the wall of the cafe. Nothing happened but I've always wondered if someone was playing with a new laser pointer or if something more sinister was taking place.

That story aside, if totally random, this guy will screw up and be caught in short order. Unfortunately, a screwup in this case will most likely mean he had to strike again.

35 posted on 10/09/2002 5:53:32 AM PDT by fso301
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To: edskid
Struck me the same way. "Dear Policeman" has a bit of a foreign ring to it.
36 posted on 10/09/2002 5:55:42 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: blackdog
Can't think about that if you're going to get the job done.

Seriously, I feel for this guy. His jurisdiction has, what, maybe 20 murders a year, and then all of a sudden he finds himself in the middle of this mess. It's a bit much to ask for him not to put a foot wrong when he finds himself all over national TV. I've found myself in that unenviable position when handling a "hot" case. Thank heavens it wasn't anything like this, but I'm not going to impute motives or think the worst of him just because he doesn't always show up well on the tube.

I remember when a tiny town in South Georgia was hit with the worst mass murder in the state's history (the Alday murders). They caught the perps pretty quickly, but it shook everybody, including law enforcement, badly enough that some things hit the news that shouldn't have (resulting eventually in a change of venue for the murder trial). I'm not surprised that this chief is overwrought. He has shown good sense in getting as much help as he can.

37 posted on 10/09/2002 5:56:26 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: edskid
"Dear policeman?" Color me skeptical, but I find something awkward about that salutation.

That salutation does sound like it was written by someone who isn't terribly comfortable with the English language. Natch, that would apply to just about every teenager in America, as well as the 'other guys'.



38 posted on 10/09/2002 5:59:35 AM PDT by who knows what evil?
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I hope we haven't come to a day in these United States where we start to see signs like this:


39 posted on 10/09/2002 6:02:50 AM PDT by Fixit
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To: AnAmericanMother
I think it is the others on the force that don't care for the chief. I had read some info regarding that but no first hand knowlege. The talk was that there was some very bitter infighting in the department prior to all this mess. As to his career, it will be a victim of circumstance and not of skill or competency. For the same reason that England threw Churchill away like an old hat, they will discard Moose when this comes to a conclusion. The people will not want to be reminded of it just by looking at Moose.
40 posted on 10/09/2002 6:04:26 AM PDT by blackdog
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To: fso301
Is an avid reader of militia publications such as "Field & Stream", "Outdoor Life" and "Popular Mechanics".

Yes. Of course. And he probably owns an SUV and does not love the planet. The fact that he thoughtlessly litters the ground with Tarot cards proves he is also an eco-terrorist.

He also does not care about the homeless and does not want to see womyn as members of the Augusta Country Club.

He does not want to allow voting privledges to animals and plants.

He does not want government to regulate the fat content of fast food.

He does not object to using images of idigenous peoples as sports mascots.

41 posted on 10/09/2002 6:16:07 AM PDT by martin gibson
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To: edskid
Somewhat like the anthrax writing??????
42 posted on 10/09/2002 6:19:46 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: kattracks
Wooded area? Maybe we should have more special hunts within city limits. Then the hunters can give this guy some justice.
43 posted on 10/09/2002 6:22:47 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Pharmboy
I don't think the Tarot card thing definitively rules out Islamist terrorists.

Terrorists aren't stupid and they can play games, too.

Look. Just as (in my opinion) the anthrax killer is a DOMESTIC KOOK who purposely wrote those letters to Capitol Hill, the White House, the Supreme Court, with strange grammar and "Allah Ahkbar" to make it look like a foreigner did it, there is just as much an equal, reverse possibility that a savvy Islamist terrorist (who has been here for years or may even be an American) could set the stage for the planting of evidence to 'make it look like a DOMESTIC KOOK case.

I see these two cases, ANTHRAX and now MARYLAND SNIPER still as reverse of what they appear on the surface to be.

44 posted on 10/09/2002 6:26:14 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: nanrod
Man, are you ever on target. Outstanding. Agree 100%.
45 posted on 10/09/2002 6:28:11 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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sorry for the play on words.

Of course, the libs could also be pissed off immensely if the nickname for this dude or dudes morph from "BELTWAY SNIPER", to a more definitive "NEW AGE SNIPER" (thanks to the wiccan-satan connection)

46 posted on 10/09/2002 6:30:59 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: kattracks
It's situations like this that make me wish I knew how to fire a gun. My mom has been talking about going to a local gun shop and purchasing one, and then teaching me how to use it. I live on the west coast, but there are too many weirdos all over the country for me to feel safe when I and my sister are home alone.

Father, bring this killer to swift justice, and punish him for committing evil crimes in Your Name.
47 posted on 10/09/2002 6:34:06 AM PDT by hapsgroupie
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Pretty tenuous connection. The Sniper doesn't even, apparently, know what the "Death" card means in Tarot parlance.

If he had used the VII of Swords, now that would have been a completely different scenario.

My guess is that he was drawn by the imagery on the card, rather than the meaning. The fact that our forces in Afghanistan have been using similar cards should not be ruled out either.

48 posted on 10/09/2002 6:34:10 AM PDT by Dead Corpse
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To: giznort
Does anyone know where Al Gore was when these attacks occurred?

Al Gore a sure shot? Come on.

49 posted on 10/09/2002 6:34:43 AM PDT by keats5
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To: giznort
Does anyone know where Al Gore was when these attacks occurred?

Locked in a box...

50 posted on 10/09/2002 6:37:00 AM PDT by bankwalker
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