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Posted on 10/10/2002 5:36:57 PM PDT by backhoe

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October 10, 2002


On Monday, the Liberty Crew sent an alert speculating that
the tragic "suburban sniper" murders are uncannily "good"
for the aims of gun prohibitionists
( ). We stayed away
from some of the more conspiritorial speculations, fearing
to seem paranoid.

But our readers offered ideas we hadn't considered. The
response was interesting enough that we thought JPFO list
subscribers would enjoy reading portions of it. We've pasted
a few comments below. JPFO doesn't necessarily endorse any
particular viewpoint, but we do applaud gun-rights supporters
for being astute observers and skeptical investigators.

Another item on the victim-disarmament wish list has been
brought to the fore by these shootings: the faulty scheme to
create a "ballistic fingerprint" of every firearm sold in the
U.S. Advocates claim such a registry would allow police to
rapidly identify any gun used in a shooting. It would NOT do
that -- but it would give the government a registry of every
legal firearms owner (not to mention doubling the price of
"pre-fingerprint" weapons, as the "assault weapons" ban
doubled the price of firearms like the pre-ban AR-15). Our
friend Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America appeared on
National Public Radio this week, discussing this very
subject. We invite you to listen to Larry as he goes head
to head with Jim Kessler of Americans for Gun Safety in this
NPR interview. You can find the audio at

And  now to our readers' comments:

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B.J. writes:

These are being described as "thrill killings". If that is
established, only the use of a .223 firearm is different from
the Leopold & Loeb case of nearly a century ago. As a former
competitor in IHMSA, I can tell you that a single-shot pistol
in the right (or wrong) hands is almost as effective at long
ranges as a rifle. We shot out to 500 yards, limited by range
space, and many of our shooters dropped essentially all the
targets, one shot each.

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Under the heading "Is the DC sniper Lon Horiuchi?" an
anonymous correspondent observes:
He fits the profile.
* Expert sniper
* Has previously killed unarmed civilians
* Hates patriotic Americans
* Owns Hi powered assault weapons and rifles in .223 caliber
* Known to operate out of Washington DC and Maryland area.

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K.H. adds:

Is there any way that the ballistics from these rifle shells
used in the latest killings can be matched up with the rifles
BATF used in the Ruby Ridge & Waco murders?

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F.L.H. writes:

Thank you for never giving up. I thought that Attorney General
Ashcroft was a American patriot, and a defender of the second
amendment. Now you are telling me he is also a liar, a traitor,
and a freedom destroyer. That is a painful message. ... (As a
survivor of Nazi Germany must I experience a Communist, or
Nazi America, and more agony right into the grave?)

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C.C. says:

Thank You for your insightful commentary, justified statements
and knowledge on the subject of "idiots and gun control". I
appreciate your stance.

- -- A Baptist, Criminologist, who lets George Bush's "Secret
Service Agents" shoot and train on his range, just over the
hill from the western Whitehouse ...

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- From Montgomery County, Maryland, the major scene of the
murders, N.B. writes:

... [O]ur forefathers would have ... sent out the town crier,
rounded up the militia with their muskets, a pound of shot
and flask of powder.

A century later it would have been a posse, or the local
hired gun sheriff or city constable on patrol.

It's two centuries later and our children are being
slaughtered in the government schools, gun-free zones, and
who do we turn to?

It has occurred to me that nearly everyone, from my neighbors,
shaking in their boots, afraid to send their children off to
school tomorrow ... to our inarticulate and ineffectual chief
of Police Charles Moose, who all say there just aren't enough
police to go around. ...

[After a discussion of the ways trained observers determine
the source of a shot in a busy, noisy environment, N.B.

He has time to kill. Time to wait, and calmly drive off in
the flow of traffic.

Who can stop such a killer?

The average beat cop? They can't stop carjackings, rapes,
home invasions or any of a number of other violent crimes
by their presence on the street. How can they possibly have
an affect in this circumstance?

I don't think they can, or should, or should have to.

Those of you who have read 18USC310, and Article I section
8 of our Constitution ... know that it is our sacred duty as
the adults in our society to stand up for women and children,
not to throw them to the wolves to save our own hides. ...

[W]e, the body of citizens made up of men ages 15 to 45...
have an obligation to DO something here, and now.

We are the militia. The original homeland security.

What if we propose taking turns guarding schools at our own
neighborhood schools; armed of course.

And why not? We've trained in manuals of arms for many
different weapons, we probably spend more time at the range
in a month than the cops do in a year. Who better to identify
the barrel of a gun, the glint of a scope or other aiming
device, locate the source of a gunshot, identify and possibly
stop perpetrator(s)? Who among the citizenry has the correct
moral standing to watch over our own children? I would rather
take a chance catching a bullet while guarding my children at
play than get a phone call from some anonymous but well-meaning
school representative or cop. Would a street cop put him or
herself in line for a sniper's bullet to protect MY kid?  ...

Can you imagine the indignant rage and hypocrisy of the well-
guarded elites in this state, home of the nation's most robbed
and now number three in violent crime and murder if we demanded
our rights as parents and citizens to defend our own children?
They'd go ballistic, don't you think? How do you think they'd
respond to the assertion that We The People can do a better
job guarding our own children than the police have so far,
can, or will?

You know, I just can't help the thought that despite the dog
and pony show, the inexorable grind towards squashing yet
another of our freedoms, pushing towards what VPC and the
Brady Bunch are calling for (an NFA registry of "sniper
rifles" or mandatory fingerprinting in contravention to GCA
68), we're not being told the whole story here.

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Finally, from M.D.:

How do we know that the shooter is not a woman? These
'profilers' are not considering the following:

1. The weapon could be a .223 target pistol.
2. Women dominate this sport in INTERNATIONAL competition.
3. The requirement for the shooter to be unnoticed (who'd
expect a woman?).
4. The incredible accuracy at targets where a long range
shot would have been out of the question (ie. No model 800
Remmington, chambered .223, all the 'sniper' goodies; from
the prone 500-1500 meters).
5. 65% of international terrorists are women.
6. These women are selected and trained so that they would
blend into the target population.
7. The average female terrorist has a Masters Degree.
8. These women are usually visually attractive (At target
installations male guards are disarmed by their personality
and beauty).
9. These women are less likely to be used in suicide bombings.
10. These women often are the recon elements, often technicians
in explosive operations.

Question is: will GW take the Clintonesque way out of this
obvious terrorist operation? Clinton convinced the American
people that two airliners that were not shot down (1000's of
witnesses), that certain acts of terror overseas were
unconnected, that ANFO blew up a bombproof building (allowing
the agent involved in the sting operation to take the rap;
taking the truth to his grave). ...

[According to the media] The profile has to be a white male,
nobody will get upset seeing that the new 'nigger' is the
white male (who own 90% of the guns that keep the jackboots
from taking over). More terrorism will hurt the economy ...
so let it slide just like Clinton did.

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1 posted on 10/10/2002 5:36:58 PM PDT by backhoe
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2 posted on 10/10/2002 5:41:55 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
W]e, the body of citizens made up of men ages 15 to 45...

That depends on your state. The Federal Government was not given any power to determine who is the militia. In Texas it's every able bodied person, not just males, 18-65 (IIRC, something like that on the age range). By federal definition, I'm no longer the militia, by the defintion of my state, I am.

3 posted on 10/10/2002 5:58:28 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
10 USC 311
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are commissioned officers of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are--
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
4 posted on 10/10/2002 7:31:54 PM PDT by Abogado
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To: backhoe; Route66; Peach; Bella; Pete; areafiftyone; brigette; harpseal; Merovingian; Miss Marple; ..
Maryland watch ping
5 posted on 10/10/2002 9:54:20 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: backhoe
6 posted on 10/10/2002 11:42:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Appreciate the flags- thank you!
7 posted on 10/11/2002 2:35:57 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Travis McGee
Thanks for stopping by.
8 posted on 10/11/2002 2:46:59 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Very interesting, as always.

FWIW, her's what I posted this to another thread.

Check out the Google result for "Dear Mr. Policeman" + "I am God": The whole page is quite interesting, but go to the 2 highlighted parts, both further down the thread. I think the perps are too smart to leave the police a message with stuff they wrote on the internet, so I'd assume the perps have been lurking on that site and got the idea for their message from the posts . They could be trying to set them up too...


I've said all along "Dear Mr. Policeman: I know where you live, where your wife shops and where your kids go to school. Have a nice day!" ......

Do ya'll remember Detective Mark Fuhrman during the OJ Simpson trial? (He's the one who lied about saying the "N" word)...Remember what he said? "Out there I AM God!".... ALL cops think alike. Those who don't, quit.....



9 posted on 10/11/2002 3:03:34 AM PDT by Elenya
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To: GeorgeandtheDralgore
Appreciate the info and the link!
10 posted on 10/11/2002 3:39:35 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
You are very welcome. I was just telling Peach via freepmail, how troubling this---it's weighing on our hearts...there are so many questions, so much uncertainty.
11 posted on 10/11/2002 5:46:10 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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