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Bush Won't Take Yes For An Answer
King Features Syndicate ^ | 2002 | Charley Reese

Posted on 10/11/2002 11:44:30 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile

If anyone doubted George Bush's intention to go to war with Iraq, that doubt should have been removed when the United States said it would "thwart" the return of the arms inspectors to Iraq until it got a new Security Council resolution.

Of course, the resolution the United States wants is just a rubber stamp to start the war. It is designed to force the Iraqis to reject it and thus provide the international cover that Bush wants for his invasion.

The meeting between the Iraqis and the arms inspectors in Vienna was quite successful. The Iraqis agreed to everything. They brought four years' worth of records and turned them over to the United Nations.

It's a shame that so many of the television commentators are so ignorant that they all, with only one exception that I saw, misreported the meeting in Vienna. They kept saying the Iraqis kept the presidential palaces "off-limits." That is factually incorrect.

Hans Blix, the head of the U.N. inspectors, has made it quite clear that his organization works for the Security Council, and since the only resolutions that exist are old ones, those are the ones he must be bound by. Among those is a Memorandum of Understanding signed in 1998 by the secretary general and Saddam Hussein. It says simply that before the presidential palaces are inspected, Iraq must be given 24 hours' notice, and a diplomat must accompany the inspectors. That certainly doesn't mean that they are off-limits. They are all available for inspection under the conditions the United Nations agreed to.

So, as things stand now, the inspectors can go back, all the housekeeping details have been agreed to, and they can start their work by Oct. 15. The Iraqis, so far as we know, will honor their agreement in regard to unconditional access. If the president had been sincere about his concern for weapons of mass destruction, he'd presumably be happy. Instead, he intends, if he can, to wreck the present agreements and force through an insulting, war-provoking resolution. He wants war, not inspections, and destruction, not disarmament.

By the way, another point of ignorance on the part of TV smiley faces: A couple of them seemed to think that if the president is opposed to the agreement, then it is null and void. Hans Blix works for the Security Council, not for George Bush or Colin Powell. Unless the Security Council tells him differently, he's sending his inspectors to Iraq whether Mr. Bush likes it or not.

So what is the United States going to do? Send F-15s to shoot down the U.N. plane? Without a majority on the Security Council, the United States cannot stop the inspectors from returning to Iraq. Maybe it will get a resolution, and maybe it won't. I hope the United States doesn't.

For too long the United States has bullied the United Nations, using blackmail and threats in order to win votes from little countries. We have used the United Nations when it suited our purposes and ignored it when it didn't. I, too, hope the United Nations shows some backbone and tells Mr. Bush: "Either obey international law or take a hike. And by the way, pay your back dues on the way out."

It's a fact that there has been no evidence produced that Iraq has any weapons of mass destruction. The worst-case scenario for Iraq is if it's really true that it doesn't have any. You can't prove a negative. If Iraq has some, it can produce them; if it does not, Iraq is out of luck. Bush and his warmongers will never believe either the Iraqis or the inspectors. Bush wants his war, and he will have it, come what may.


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To: Zon
No, the original title was apparently "Bush CAN'T take no for an answer" rather than "won't".

I don't really see how this matters in terms of meaning but I guess if you are going to post garbage you had better be accurate.
41 posted on 10/11/2002 1:56:29 PM PDT by Lizard_King
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To: LibertarianInExile
So, as things stand now, the inspectors can go back, all the housekeeping details have been agreed to, and they can start their work by Oct. 15. The Iraqis, so far as we know, will honor their agreement in regard to unconditional access. If the president had been sincere about his concern for weapons of mass destruction, he'd presumably be happy. Instead, he intends, if he can, to wreck the present agreements and force through an insulting, war-provoking resolution. He wants war, not inspections, and destruction, not disarmament.

There is absolutely no evidence for any of the above assertions, and they are ludicrous. In any event, nothing is stopping Iraq and the UN for doing their inspection thing while Bush ramps up for war, and if Saddam really gives the inspectors a free rein to go anywhere, any time unannounced, well no one would be more pleased than Bush, and the war won't happen. Of course the chances that that will happen are slim to none. If Saddam had nothing to hide, he would have shown off his new cleansed kitchen long ago. And Reese knows that. But Reese is a shrill and dishonest shill for the dark side. Some day he will cross the River Styx never to return.

42 posted on 10/11/2002 2:02:09 PM PDT by Torie
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To: LibertarianInExile
***LOSERDOPIAN ALERT***

"It says simply that before the presidential palaces are inspected, Iraq must be given 24 hours' notice, and a diplomat must accompany the inspectors. That certainly doesn't mean that they are off-limits."

LOL

43 posted on 10/11/2002 2:05:44 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: LibertarianInExile

44 posted on 10/11/2002 2:10:15 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: Huck

45 posted on 10/11/2002 2:11:44 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: Cyber Liberty
You think Charlie Reese could be used for wadding?
46 posted on 10/11/2002 2:31:49 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Lizard_King; Admin Moderator

No, the original title was apparently "Bush CAN'T take no for an answer" rather than "won't".

I clicked through the link supplied at the top of the article and the original title matches the one posted at the top of this thread. I prefer to do my own research on such simple matters -- took all of about five seconds.

Apparently Cyber Liberty didn't bother to check the title of the original article and chose to inject a slight-of-words deception (see his 2 post). Thus becoming blind and waiting for another blind person to follow. You know the cliché: the blind leading the blind.

I don't really see how this matters in terms of meaning but I guess if you are going to post garbage you had better be accurate.

My opinion on the article's merits is irrelevant and that's why I didn't offer one. That said, so is your opinion irrelevant to the issue of title accuracy. The point of my question to Admin Moderator was whether the person that posted the article changed the title. He didn't. He posted accurate.

The Admin Moderator in post 4 told the person that posted the article to use the original title. The Admin Moderator should have directed that at Cyber Liberty because it was Cyber Liberty that implied -- by slight-of-word deception -- that the person whom posted the article should post something other than the original title.

47 posted on 10/11/2002 2:49:59 PM PDT by Zon
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To: LibertarianInExile
Well pal or palette, as the case may be, seems you signed on exactly four days ago, and you are posting an article from Charley Reese, a familiar name-wasn't he a regular here some time ago? Is LibetarianInExile your on line name, Chuckie? I won't hit the abuse button, your ilk are just too much fun to have around.


President Bush, just like the rest of us with normal intelligence, would love to take yes for an answer-but not from an obvious d*mn liar like Sadam Husein. A yes years ago may have been taken seriously, a yes anytime before President Bush told the irrelevent UN how it was going to be, could have been taken seriously-SAddams offer of unconditional inspections, with conditions,after Bush held Sadam and Anan's stinking feet to the fire, was too little too late. Only morons believe that sincerity is delivered under duress. Sadam is busy beguiling the only ones dumb enough to be beguiled by him-the same brain dead zombies who idolize liars in general and demoncrats in particular.

THank God we have a President who does not have to be one to know one.
48 posted on 10/11/2002 2:52:18 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: TexasGunRunner
And for too long the UN has been a machine of evil, denying help to the needy, abusing those who cry for help, calling evil good and good evil. They have forsaken their original intent to be defender of human rights, now they will reap what they have sown. No room or sympathy under our American skies for a foe like the UN; they shall soon be unfunded and uprooted.
49 posted on 10/11/2002 3:39:17 PM PDT by Hila
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To: Zon
You are correct, I was in error. I guess when I assumed the moderator had checked out CyberLibs allegation, I made a serious error. Well, fool me once...
51 posted on 10/11/2002 3:48:40 PM PDT by Lizard_King
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To: marron
Getting a majority on the Security Council isn't [a big deal]. These votes are for sale. Russia wants support for its war against the Chechens, and repayment of Iraq's debt, and a share of the oil concessions. They have said this explicitly. France wants a share of the oil concessions. China wants our previous support for the Chinese Turks withdrawn. And so on. UN approval does not represent moral authority. Quite the opposite. Not going to the UN means not having to bribe the Security Council, meaning that unilateral action is inherently, potentially, more moral. To get UN approval we have to mortgage Iraq's future income to the hyenas. If we go in alone, Iraq is free to make its own deals and starts with a clean slate. But don't worry, we'll go with the UN, and everyone will get their cut.

Fabulous! The truth has never been spoken more plainly! Your statement should be sent to all conservative media, radio and newspaper personalities.

52 posted on 10/11/2002 4:47:26 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: Lizard_King
FWIW, IMO, your "error" was an innocent assumption. After all, you did say it appears, not that it was. As you said, "fool me once..."

On the other hand, Cyber Liberty was intent on creating a deception, IMO. A gross error which sucked in the Admin Mod., then you too got sucked into the chain of events that started with one person's intent to deceive.

54 posted on 10/11/2002 7:47:40 PM PDT by Zon
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To: LibertarianInExile
Wonder where you are actually in exile from? Maybe you are a lib-dem showing up to cause divisiveness while flying a flag under false colors.

Guys like you give libertarians a bad name. Which may be the whole idea. Divide and conquer, huh?

55 posted on 10/11/2002 9:27:15 PM PDT by dark_lord
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To: dark_lord
In fact I suspect this person is just trying to provoke divisiveness between the libertarian and conservative wings of this forum. Note that the columnist he is quoting, Charley Reese, has written a column titled "Why I am not a Libertarian", and one titled Conservative Or Blockhead where he claims "I'm a true conservative, and there are damned few of us left.".

Of course, he thinks Pat Buchanan is the only conservative politician remaining.

56 posted on 10/11/2002 9:39:32 PM PDT by dark_lord
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; VaBthang4
Actually it's VaBthang4's work....
57 posted on 10/12/2002 8:45:54 AM PDT by hobbes1
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