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8th Killing Linked to Sniper (Lots of new info including possible suspect visual descriptions)
Washington Post ^ | October 11, 2002 | Carol Morello and Josh White

Posted on 10/11/2002 8:49:27 PM PDT by John H K

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To: CobaltBlue
Thanks for the correction. Yes, I meant towards Fredrick on I-270.
61 posted on 10/12/2002 9:10:33 AM PDT by Lessismore
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To: tubebender
I have a guy working for me that has beautiful long blonde hair that he keeps under wraps. Two years ago he was driving his wife Mercede convertable in Reno a cop stopped him thinking he was going to hit on a blonde.

I'm not impressed with the "blonde woman" description either. I thought it could be one of the perps (the one who was the driver at the time) wearing a wig (they'd have to think that with everybody paying attention to the area vans someone would eventually notice the driver), but it could be like you said that the one who was spotted has long hair.

62 posted on 10/12/2002 9:29:20 AM PDT by Elenya
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To: John W
I know you enjoy debunking things, but have you seen a picture of Mr Epps?

This guy?


63 posted on 10/12/2002 9:33:14 AM PDT by archy
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To: CobaltBlue
OR he's fanning out making a larger area that the police have to cover?
64 posted on 10/12/2002 9:34:52 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Ciexyz
God, please give the police a break in this case

Unless, of course, the shooter is a nutcase cop, a Black Muslim terrorist sympathizer, or a fed dutifully pulling a *Reichstag Fire* action to get the FedGov more antiterrorist powers and bigger budgets.

Meanwhile, round up the usual suspects....

-archy-/-

65 posted on 10/12/2002 9:38:52 AM PDT by archy
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To: CobaltBlue
Obviously the sniper doesn't know anything about tarot, otherwise he wouldn't have picked the death card, because it's not about death, it's about rebirth and transformation.

Unless this is part of an initiation rite, in which case it would perfectly appropriate...

66 posted on 10/12/2002 9:39:59 AM PDT by Elenya
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To: John H K
So they are going to profile white guys? Sounds racist.
67 posted on 10/12/2002 9:40:00 AM PDT by Bernard
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To: Lessismore
He is employing good hunting tactics...There is no emphasis needed for accuracy at extreme ranges...Escape is the priority...There are too many white vehicles involved."

The first *missed shot* at the Michaels store could well have been deliberately missed, with his having already checked out a preferred location at another Michael's store from which he intended to make his real *money shot*. This could have been so he could make it appear to be a series of attacks on Michael's stores, sending police down blind alleys checking out recently discharged and disgruntled employees, or to get an incorrect description of his possible vehicle in circulation.

Indeed, he may well be waiting for the appearance of a white van or truck to appear before taking his shots, giving him a *fall guy* for any police in the area to be more interested in while he leaves appearing to be another panic-stricken motorist or bystander fleeing the scene.

-archy-/-

68 posted on 10/12/2002 9:46:57 AM PDT by archy
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To: CobaltBlue
I meant:

Unless this is part of an initiation rite, in which case it would be perfectly appropriate...

69 posted on 10/12/2002 9:52:27 AM PDT by Elenya
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To: Dr Warmoose
I'm wondering if he doesn't gas up at these stations he hits. While gassing up, he can locate a straight line to the pumps and figure his direction for shooting and map where he needs to be, as well as finding the most strategic way to leave the area when he needs to.
70 posted on 10/12/2002 9:59:34 AM PDT by Helen
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To: John H K
A sandy-haired man with a mustache who looks like someone named Hobart "Dewey" Epps frm Georgia SOUNDS like someone "Bubba" looking.

Hobart Epps said he was shown a fuzzy picture (no mention of whather it was color or black-and-white) of someone who looked a little like him. The WP reporter (who did not see the picture) noted that Epps is about 5' 9', has sandy brown hair, and a mustache. From that, you (who are three steps removed) conclude the suspect "isn't particularly Middle Eastern looking."

I disagree. Based on this evidence there is noting about the suspect that suggests he is not "Middle Eastern looking."

The suspect may very well not be Middle Eastern, but this report does not cast doubt that theory.

71 posted on 10/12/2002 10:01:58 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Lion's Cub
I find it interesting how some people absolutely refuse to examine all possibilities and then, when the unthinkable happens, you never hear from them again. I hope I'm wrong, but the reality is no one knows, and I don't honestly trust the government to tell us the whole truth. First, they have technology but not always competence and second, mass hysteria suppression is always a good excuse to cya. Who knows. I profile everywhere I go...
72 posted on 10/12/2002 10:03:09 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: nopardons
Mark Furhman and other people, who have actual training in this kind of thing (which no one, who's been posting on these threads has!)

I received my first anti-terrorist and counter-espionage intelligence formal training in the U.S. Army in 1966, and my most recent class in August of 1999...dealing with terrorist sniping incidents. And I am far from the most qualified at Free Republic, but am experienced and trained well enough to recognize a couple of others with more experience in their own specializations than I have.

So far as the methods and equipment of the expert rifleman and sniper go, I spent most of my first tour with 4/16 Infantry, First Infantry Division during 1968 as a *fill-in* sniper working base perimeter details, tunnel rat support and convoy escorts as a substitute for others temporarily or permanently out of commission or away at the 9th Infantry Division's sniper school at Bearcat. I've also performed that same function [or that of *designated rifleman*, prettnear the same thing] in two other conflicts and am preparing for a fourth.

Don't sell the experience or background of FReepers too short. There are some pretty incredible people here, and most of those without such backgrounds are quite willing to reconsider their previous theories and postulations based on the observations of those better knowledgable.

But I'm lacking in on-the-ground experience and familiarity with the operational area, and there are certainly other FReepers here much closer to the problem and more knowledgable of their home areas than I am. I want to see and hear what they have to say, and I expect pretty soon, some pieces will fall right into place.

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73 posted on 10/12/2002 10:06:37 AM PDT by archy
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To: Lessismore
Why hasn't he killed on I-70 northwest of DC, instead of a second killing on I-95 south.?

It could be he/they maintain a safehouse or haven somewhere to the south, a *hide*. Or, if he's really smart, it's to the NW, maybe along I-70, and is/are smart enough not to foul his/their own nest.

74 posted on 10/12/2002 10:10:24 AM PDT by archy
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To: GeorgeandtheDralgore
...he wouldn't have picked the death card, because it's not about death, it's about rebirth and transformation.

***The end of the dominance of the Great Satan is here! The time of the ascendence of Allah is now, as it is written! Praise Allah!!!!***

Now, what were you saying...?

75 posted on 10/12/2002 10:15:14 AM PDT by archy
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To: Lessismore
There are too many white vehicles involved -- first box trucks, then a Caravan, now an Astro. This could indicate rentals, but the police will certainly check the rental records in the area.

I believe all the reports of white vehicles are the result of the police and media continuing to report same. At every scene potential witnesses are now looking for white vehicles, and OMG, there goes one now.

76 posted on 10/12/2002 10:16:03 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: Bernard
So they are going to profile white guys? Sounds racist.

Let's sue for reparations....

-archy-/-

77 posted on 10/12/2002 10:16:45 AM PDT by archy
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To: archy
***The end of the dominance of the Great Satan is here! The time of the ascendence of Allah is now, as it is written! Praise Allah!!!!***

I guess that would qualify as an initiation rite if you're a ME terrorist wannabe too, LOL.

78 posted on 10/12/2002 10:24:47 AM PDT by Elenya
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To: Parley Baer
"Hear Mark Fuhrman on radio today mention a shooting spree in the 50's involving a man and a woman."

I was born at he very end of the 50's so don't know about this for sure but am guessing. I tried to look up Carryl Chessman to see if he could be who you are referring to but all I can find are some french movies, references to him in articles and ones site called the "Personal Library of Talat Oncu" which I couldn't seem to get when I clicked on it.

Anyway, for those who know or remember was CC maybe the guy Fuhrman referred to?
79 posted on 10/12/2002 10:24:51 AM PDT by valleygal
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To: Parley Baer
Heard Mark Fehrman(sp)on the radio today mention a shooting spree in the '50s involving a man and a woman.

That was Charlie Starkweather and girlfriend Caril Ann Fugate. Starkweather used both a rifle and, up close, a shotgun, and was a respectably good shot. And it was when he tried to use a handgun to intimidate a motorist, who turned out to be a deputy sheriff, that he was captured.

It's questionable whether Fugate personally pulled a trigger herself, but very possible- but she was also certainly both hostage and accomplice.

He was 19 years old at the time, 1958. She was 14.


80 posted on 10/12/2002 10:31:56 AM PDT by archy
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