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Evidence Disproving Evolution
myself | 10/11/02 | gore3000

Posted on 10/11/2002 9:02:01 PM PDT by gore3000

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To: general_re
Just make sure that you watch what you say. Gore3000 has been known to take FReeper's statements out of context to divorce them from their original meaning so that he can badmouth them for things that they never really stated.
41 posted on 10/11/2002 10:15:41 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: general_re
That's funny - I was thinking exactly the same thing...

Hey, what else can I say? As I donate my time helping out the science teachers at the High School across the street from my home, Gore2000 is my best example of false science.

Seriously, this is classic and very well done.

42 posted on 10/11/2002 10:15:43 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Nateman
Take a poll of FR......no doubt most do not believe evolution.
43 posted on 10/11/2002 10:19:07 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: gore3000
?????

Is this some kind of joke??

Just where did oil come from?? God just made a bunch of it and stuck it underground?? Then made cars out of thin air to burn it to screw up the planet?

This means the fossils discovered are what? More crap that he buried to confuse us?

Does God understand the term specious argument?? And no, I did not have time to quit my job, stay home and read the crap that you took so much time to assemble. I have a 3 pound dog. Ringling Brothers has a huge elephant. Basically the same thing comes out of their butts; however the quantity doesn’t alter the composition. BS is BS.


Stay safe; stay armed.


44 posted on 10/11/2002 10:19:35 PM PDT by Eaker
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To: general_re
I am particularly interested in the formulas that says order increases in an open system.

Well, one of those appears to be the evolutionary model - and it manages to say that admirably well.

That's circular reasoning at its worst. You managed to go in a complete circle inside of one sentence.

How about a link to where we can read about abiogenesis and the success in the lab in producing life from non life.

The fact that something happens even under the most extraordinary of circumstances does not mean it never happens.

Yes, and it is possible that the sun could rise in the west tomorrow. However, you would be foolish to accept such speculation as fact.

45 posted on 10/11/2002 10:20:29 PM PDT by montanus
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To: AntiGuv
I don't operate on the assumption that one discards a scientific model with a preponderance of support simply because of minor objections.

I think the objections to evolution are indeed quite strong. I will take a living organism's evidence of design over a few bones everytime. The big problem with evolution is that there is no 'how' to it. Each time evolutionists have proposed how it occurs, science has come along and thoroughly disproved it. One must at some point start saying 'a theory that is wrong so often cannot be correct'.

In order to discard the evolutionary model, then one must provide an alternative model which explains the available empirical evidence in a superior fashion.

I do not think that is correct. It is better to discard a false theory than to adhere to it. False theories lead to false conclusions and this is never good. However, there is a theory (and there has been since before Darwin) to explain life. It is called intelligent design and it is well explained by the little story from Newton above.

I can also tolerate a greater level of perceptual uncertainty than most seem capable of. Even assuming that I accepted the impossibility of abiogenesis as currently conceived, then I would simply say that something comparable had to have taken place at some point in the past that remains as yet unexplained.

Well, you can believe as you like of course but to hold the above belief you have to admit that you are forcing your theory on the facts instead of deriving it from the facts as it is proper. Therefore you cannot claim a scientific basis for a belief in abiogenesis.

Finally, however low the plausibility, it does not alter the fact that a particular event occurred nonetheless when the consequences of that event are self-evident.

Well, no one is arguing that life did not arise sometime in the past. The question is whether it was divinely wrought or it arose by chance. All scientific evidence is on the side of divine creation.

46 posted on 10/11/2002 10:20:36 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
Decisions, decisions, in which should I place my belief, the scientific method, or an intangible, magical, omnipotent being, on a cosmic ego trip?
47 posted on 10/11/2002 10:20:55 PM PDT by Mensch
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To: gore3000
However, if you cannot defend your theory on scientific grounds, then at least be honest enough to admit that it is a religious belief totally based on personal predilections.

Tritely clever, but just. The sophist's tactic of turning the basis of his argument against his opponent. It is you that is professing a religious absolute, your opponents propose only a theoretical likely hood.

48 posted on 10/11/2002 10:23:42 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: gore3000
The amount of faith one needs to buy into evolution so far outweighs the amount of faith required to acknowledge one's Creator that it is unfathomable...
49 posted on 10/11/2002 10:24:58 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: Dimensio
Facts and reality are simply inconviences to be ignored.

Well said.

50 posted on 10/11/2002 10:26:13 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Eaker
This means the fossils discovered are what?

Products of the Flood.

More crap that he buried to confuse us?

How are fossils in any way confusing? If trillions of animals lived and died, slowly evolving over billions of years, wouldn't there be millions upon millions of intermediate fossil forms? But the best those who argue for evolution can come up with is a half dozen fossils that are questionable?

51 posted on 10/11/2002 10:27:26 PM PDT by montanus
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To: montanus; AntiGuv
I think you meant to reply to AntiGuv, not me...
52 posted on 10/11/2002 10:28:12 PM PDT by general_re
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To: elbucko
Watch your bananas - the first monkey has arrived on the scene...
53 posted on 10/11/2002 10:28:46 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: gore3000
Anything with Gore attached to it MUST be a piece of work! LOL
54 posted on 10/11/2002 10:29:43 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Looks like no more Mr. Nice Guy.

It must make one angry to defend an impossible argument among FReepers!!! The same thing happened to me when I proposed making a lighter than air craft out of bowling balls encased in lead!!! That idea was shot down here pretty quickly too.


Stay safe; stay armed.


55 posted on 10/11/2002 10:30:03 PM PDT by Eaker
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To: elbucko
Maybe you could cite some of God's machinations about His use of evolution? Take a deep hit and type away...
56 posted on 10/11/2002 10:30:05 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: montanus
That's circular reasoning at its worst. You managed to go in a complete circle inside of one sentence.

I also managed to insert two others: the meteorological model and the geological model. I wanted to see who may or may not pick up on this. ;-)

Yes, and it is possible that the sun could rise in the west tomorrow. However, you would be foolish to accept such speculation as fact.

However, if the sun did indeed rise in the west tomorrow, then I would have to modify my understanding of the universe post haste. The difference between myself and a creation scientist is that I'm capable of such conceptual modifications as required to conform with observable phenomena.

57 posted on 10/11/2002 10:30:37 PM PDT by AntiGuv
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To: *crevo_list
Index ping.
58 posted on 10/11/2002 10:30:55 PM PDT by scripter
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To: DWPittelli
And what exactly does ad hominem comment on the racism of Darwin (a racism expressed by virtually every educated person in the first half of the 19th century) have to do with the accuracy of his scientific-historical theory?

I knew I would get that response! Sounds very Clintonian to me! I am defaming Darwin because I dared to quote what he said! Don't you see how invalid your charge is?

Your statement that everyone was a racist is wrong also. Let's remember that it was just about that time that slavery was abolished and the slaves were given equal rights with whites in the US. Let's also remember that it was England which had for decades been the prime force towards the abolition of slavery throughout the world. So no, everyone was not a racist then. Anyways, that is no excuse and it shows your moral relativism.

The statement is also completely relevant to a discussion of evolution. Evolution does assert that some are inferior to others. Evolution does assert that destruction of the weak leads to progress. So the statement is a central part of evolutionary theory and cannot be written off as a personal eccentricity of Darwin.

59 posted on 10/11/2002 10:31:30 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: AntiGuv
Self-evident? Evolution? Another bump for government education...< /sarcasm >
60 posted on 10/11/2002 10:32:03 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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