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Officials meet with Somalis to boost ties
Portland Press-Herald ^ | October 11, 2002 | MEREDITH GOAD

Posted on 10/12/2002 1:49:10 AM PDT by sarcasm

A request for a federal review of Lewiston's programs and services for Somalis and other immigrants will be filed sometime next week, according to the advocate who will be writing the formal complaint to the Justice Department.

Kathy Poulos-Minott, who heads a Portland-based group that advocates for the rights of people who speak limited English, said the complaint would focus on issues such as lack of training for city employees and inconsistencies in policies and procedures across departments.

"You can't have one policy at one department and then no policy at another department," said Poulos-Minott, founder and director of the National Limited English Proficient Advocacy Task Force. "There has to be consistency and training. These places always assure compliance on paper. That's simple. The reality is when you get out there and you test it. Is it really happening?"

Lewiston city officials met with Somali elders Thursday at the public library to try to mend fences after a letter from Mayor Laurier Raymond angered and offended the local Somali community last week. The letter, referring to an increased flow of Somali immigrants into Lewiston, asked the local Somali community to "exercise some discipline and reduce the stress on our limited finances and generosity."

The Lewiston police chief and other police officials attended the meeting, as well as two city councilors, Roger Philippon and Renee Bernier. Several Somali elders were present, including some who typically work with city officials through the Somali advisory committee.

"The meeting was very encouraging, but there's more work to be done," said Phil Nadeau, assistant city administrator.

The Somali elders who attended the meeting had no comment as they left the library.

Winston McGill, vice president of the Portland chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said he met with a Somali elder Thursday and pledged the organization's support. He also has written an open letter of support to the Somali community that will be delivered next week.

The New England conference of the NAACP, which represents all of the region's NAACP branches, also has pledged its support.

McGill said he spoke with officials at the Justice Department in Boston on Thursday to voice his concerns directly to the federal agency. He asked for a community liaison who could act as a mediator between the city of Lewiston and the Somali community.

"It's not really so much an investigation," he said. "What that community liaison will do is they'll bring everybody to the table and work out these issues, whether it's housing or jobs - what the mayor should have done and what he didn't do."

McGill said it's "too premature" to say his organization will support the effort by Poulos-Minott to have a federal review of Lewiston's programs and services.

Poulos-Minott's group represents 300 "stakeholders" nationwide. They are primarily legal organizations dedicated to supporting the anti-discrimination laws that ensure immigrants and refugees have access to interpreters and other services that put them on equal footing in schools, hospitals and the halls of city government.

"Many schools bring unqualified interpreters, if they bring any at all, into disciplinary hearings or school-based health care," she said. "They take medical histories, they dispense medication without interpreters."

Federal law prohibits discrimination on the basis of national origin through statutes such as Title VI of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Poulos-Minott said her organization tries to work with recipients of federal funding before filing a federal complaint or pursuing litigation. In the past, she has fought Maine Medical Center over the quality of its interpreter services, and she has cases pending against the Maine Department of Human Services, the Portland Housing Authority and Catholic Charities Maine.

She said Lewiston did not adequately plan for the arrival of so many Somalis into the community.

Nadeau said putting programs and services in place for the new arrivals has involved "almost heroic levels of work."

"We want to do more than just meet the marginal need," he said. "If there are places that we need to make improvements, we try to identify those areas as quickly as possible and try to be responsive to those areas and make those adjustments that we need to make."


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1 posted on 10/12/2002 1:49:10 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: SheLion
ping
2 posted on 10/12/2002 1:50:06 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
She said Lewiston did not adequately plan for the arrival of so many Somalis into the community.

Right. They should have a contingency plan for every ethnic group that plans to flood their city.

3 posted on 10/12/2002 1:53:49 AM PDT by CaptRon
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To: sarcasm
"She said Lewiston did not adequately plan for the arrival of so many Somalis into the community."

How can you plan for something you don't expect to happen like this. Once they found out the welfare benefits up here, it was follow the yellow brick road.

4 posted on 10/12/2002 1:54:36 AM PDT by ozone1
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To: ozone1; CaptRon
Have you read the from the Somali elders?
5 posted on 10/12/2002 2:02:07 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Post it. Quite disturbing
6 posted on 10/12/2002 2:06:22 AM PDT by ozone1
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To: ozone1
October 6, 2002.
Mr. Laurie Raymond
Mayor, City of Lewiston

Re: Your letter dated October 1, 2002.
Somalis in Lewiston.

This letter is in response to your above referenced letter in regard to the move of Somali refugees/immigrants to the city of Lewiston. First of all, with due respect, we would like to indicate that your letter is not only untimely but is also inflammatory and disturbing, to say the least. Your letter is untimely because it is written and released at a time when the movement of Somalis to Lewiston has naturally dropped and as per records no Somali moved to Lewiston since the end of August 2002. The letter is also inflammatory and disturbing as we are dismayed to see such a letter from an elected official and leader who is supposed to show good leadership, co-existence and harmony among the residents of this humble city.

We react to your letter in mixed feelings ranging from dismay, astonishment and anger. This is because of the fact that you have never given us a chance to meet with you and discuss our future plans with you during your term in office. Your predecessor Mayor Kalleigh Tara perfectly understood us and was working with us as new additions to a city where she was the mayor. We also had and were given opportunities to meet with and discuss our future with elected and non-elected local and state officials. Most recently, such meeting included those we had with Governor Angus King on September 17 and with the gubernatorial candidate, Congressman John Baldacci on September 27th, among others.

During all such meetings, the officials indicated their satisfaction with our coming to live here in the state, they say, is sparsely populated and need to attract more residents as both manpower and future electorates. Those officials, after listening to us, applauded our efforts to try and "Fit in" as much as we can. While we have had contacts with other leaders as stated above, you have never given us a chance to meet and explain ourselves to you. The first contact, which you ever had with us, is through your recent letter, which prompted this response; something which we never thought, would happen and feel unwarranted at this time.

For your information therefore, our coming to Lewiston and living here have revitalized this city in certain ways. Our presence has turned Lewiston into a multi-ethnic, multi-racial city, which has embraced diversity and change. A city of thirty-six thousand people, in the middle of the "whitest" state in the country has suddenly become an international city. Lewiston's name appeared in papers and news clips around the country. We portrayed the facts about this place and its humble people who we consider, by and large, as generous Americans who understand our plight and are ready to help in our initial days of settling down. Our presence here have also attracted hundreds of thousands of dollars in state and federal funds to boost existing social services for all residents of Lewiston. This particular point was not stated in your letter.

Apartment units located in the Lewiston downtown area which were abandoned many years ago, were suddenly refurbished and made livable as the arrival of Somalis generated funds and put money in the pockets of landlords. This also raised the market value of real estate. Somalis were hired to work in businesses and plants making them to be able to contribute to the local economy as taxpayers. Back in April 2002, there were 249 able-bodied Somali men and women who could work, Forty people worked at the time. Today out of the 416 able bodied men and women 215 persons are currently employed. This is over 50% of adults who could work. Also, there are three Somali businesses in Lewiston which opened in less than a year.

While we thank the city of Lewiston, and the general public for their understanding and accepting us in their midst, we would nevertheless like to bring to your attention and to the attention of others in your line of thinking, that we are citizens and/or legal residents of this country. Although we originally hail from the Eastern African state of Somalia, we renounced our Somali citizenship and taken U.S. citizenship. Over 80% of our children are Americans by birth. Therefore, we believe we have every right to live anywhere in this country. So do other Somalis or any other legal residents who choose to come and live in Lewiston or in Alaska for that matter.

In view of the above, and with due respect we consider your letter Mr. Mayor, as the writing of ill-informed leader who is bent towards bigotry. Therefore, by a copy of this letter we ask both the state government and law enforcement to guarantee our safety here. If any harm inform of an attack happens to any Somali-American man, woman or child in the wake of your letter, we hold you squarely responsible for any such acts. We think your letter is an attempt to agitate and incite the local people and a license to violence against our people physically, verbally and emotionally.

Hope this is clear and let God show all of us what is right.

Sincerely,
Elders of the Somali Community.
CC: Office of Governor Angus King
William Welch, Lewiston Police Chief
Lewiston/Auburn Community Task Force
Pierrot Rugaba, State Refugee Coordinator
Jim Bennet, Administrator: City of Lewiston

7 posted on 10/12/2002 2:09:47 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
"During all such meetings, the officials indicated their satisfaction with our coming to live here in the state, they say, is sparsely populated and need to attract more residents as both manpower and future electorates" (er...... we are going to be rat voters, big governement good, so what if we have no jobs a dying economy and your going to pay for us or we're going to sue.)
8 posted on 10/12/2002 2:14:48 AM PDT by ozone1
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To: sarcasm
"Our presence here have also attracted hundreds of thousands of dollars in state and federal funds to boost existing social services for all residents of Lewiston."

But it is costing Maine millions, not hundreds of thousands. I.e. net loss and drain to the economy.
9 posted on 10/12/2002 2:16:56 AM PDT by ozone1
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To: sarcasm
Some friggin' advocate wrote that letter for the Somali welfare bums. It has every PC catch phrase in it. Somalis are too dumb to write such a letter.
10 posted on 10/12/2002 2:23:39 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: ozone1
I loved this:

For your information therefore, our coming to Lewiston and living here have revitalized this city in certain ways

Revitalized the welfare population?

11 posted on 10/12/2002 2:26:14 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Elders of the Somali Community???....... What a joke. They're welfare bums just like the rest. Why are we importing welfare bums from the turd world?

In this case I think it's a sop to the congressional Black Caucus. They felt we weren't getting enough African immigrants.
12 posted on 10/12/2002 2:28:04 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: sarcasm
Revitalized the welfare population?
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The Lewiston welfare population is now more diverse. Few Black Americans live in Maine. Too cold and white for them. But for Somalis it's different. They just shop around for the best welfare deal in our 50 states and the cheapest housing. Just wait 'till winter and the houses start burning down due to stupid use of electric space heaters.
13 posted on 10/12/2002 2:32:08 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: sarcasm
"We think your letter is an attempt to agitate and incite the local people and a license to violence against our people physically, verbally and emotionally."

Letting them know there is no more welfare money is now inciting and licensing the taxpayers to riot? I don't get this. If the taxpayers leaving, who is going to pay for your toyota pickup with a machine gun mounted in the back?
14 posted on 10/12/2002 2:33:24 AM PDT by ozone1
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To: dennisw
Next step - import their enemies - we can then have tribal warfare in Maine.
15 posted on 10/12/2002 2:35:10 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: ozone1
Get ready to pay - big time.
16 posted on 10/12/2002 2:37:09 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
"Today out of the 416 able bodied men and women 215 persons are currently employed. This is over 50% of adults who could work"

This actually matches Maine statistics. 50% leaches.
17 posted on 10/12/2002 2:41:38 AM PDT by ozone1
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To: ozone1

State officials eye friction in Lewiston

By Associated Press, 10/11/2002 07:40

LEWISTON, Maine (AP) Maine's economic development chief warned that friction with its Somali population could create an image problem for the city.

''I hope everyone can resolve their issues soon,'' Commissioner Steven Levesque of the Maine Department of Economic and Community Development said Thursday.

''This does have the potential of negatively impacting the perception that these communities have worked so hard to gain.''

In a recent letter, Lewiston Mayor Larry Raymond asked Somalis in Lewiston to urge their friends and family not to come to Lewiston because its resources were being stretched to the limit.

On Wednesday, members of the Somali community and a coalition of advocacy groups said they planned to file a complaint with the U.S. Justice Department, seeking a federal review of Lewiston's programs and services to ensure that they do not discriminate on the basis of national origin.

According to Raymond, the city of 36,000 has had an influx of more than 1,000 Somalis in 18 months.

Levesque said how the city absorbs the newcomers could affect its future.

''Any type of business looks at the community,'' Levesque said. ''They look at the stability of the communities. How do communities handle change? Are they willing to accept differences? The private sector looks at those issues.''

Maine Attorney General Steven Rowe this week circulated hundreds of copies of a letter pledging that his office would ''strive to ensure that Maine is a safe, tolerant and respectful place for everyone to live.''

Rowe's office said the letters were delivered to Somali elders in Lewiston and to places in the area where Somalis gather.

''I am writing to let you know how important you are to our Maine community,'' Rowe wrote in part.

''Please know that the vast, vast majority of Maine residents want you to feel welcome and safe. We welcome you as fellow citizens and residents and we want you to know that you are a valued part of our communities and our state,'' Rowe wrote.

''Members of the office of the attorney general will do everything within our power to work with local law enforcement officials to ensure that the civil rights of all Maine residents are protected.''

18 posted on 10/12/2002 2:42:32 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Somali refugees are very valuable to the "community". They are collect the welfare that Americans are unwilling to do.
19 posted on 10/12/2002 2:42:35 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: sarcasm
''This does have the potential of negatively impacting the perception that these communities have worked so hard to gain.''


They aren't refering to work meaning employment are they?
20 posted on 10/12/2002 2:45:00 AM PDT by ozone1
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To: sarcasm
''Any type of business looks at the community,'' Levesque said. ''They look at the stability of the communities. How do communities handle change? Are they willing to accept differences? The private sector looks at those issues.''
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Hahahhahaha.... What kind of moron would re-locate his business to Lewiston even before the Somalis made it home? Somalis just make it more unlikely.


21 posted on 10/12/2002 2:45:00 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: ozone1
I've found that the Ford F-250 absorbs the recoil much better than a dinky Toyota.

Buy American!

22 posted on 10/12/2002 2:45:42 AM PDT by metesky
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To: dennisw
I sure hope that they're offering bilingual education in the school system.
23 posted on 10/12/2002 2:46:09 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: dennisw
Officials meet with Somalis to boost ties

Yeah, right. I also wanna boost my ties with a bunch of welfare bums. LOL!

24 posted on 10/12/2002 2:48:24 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: sarcasm
"Maine's economic development chief warned that friction with its Somali population could create an image problem for the city."

Lewiston, an create image problem?

It's been considered a dying manufacturing town for years.

Now it's a dead manufacturing town with a welfare problem.
25 posted on 10/12/2002 2:49:09 AM PDT by ozone1
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To: sarcasm
''Please know that the vast, vast majority of Maine residents want you to feel welcome and safe.

While I have heard nobody make actual threats against these people, neither have I heard one single person express the idea that they are "welcome".

26 posted on 10/12/2002 2:50:29 AM PDT by metesky
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To: metesky
Get the trailer towing package, it handles the weight better.
27 posted on 10/12/2002 2:50:52 AM PDT by ozone1
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To: sarcasm
I sure hope that they're offering bilingual education in the school system.

What language if any do they speak in Somalia? I thought they just grunted and growled and used sign language.

28 posted on 10/12/2002 2:51:17 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: sarcasm
Unbelievable. Time to kick their butts out entirely.
29 posted on 10/12/2002 2:53:33 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: sarcasm
If any harm inform of an attack happens to any Somali-American man, woman or child in the wake of your letter, we hold you squarely responsible for any such acts. We think your letter is an attempt to agitate and incite the local people and a license to violence against our people physically, verbally and emotionally.

Hope this is clear and let God show all of us what is right.

Nice touch. Not only do they want to suck taxpayers dry, they demand permanent "protected" status.

So, please make sure that you treat any "Somali-American" with respect and deference, lest you be charged with "emotional violence."

30 posted on 10/12/2002 2:54:21 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: sarcasm
"were suddenly refurbished and made livable as the arrival of Somalis generated funds and put money in the pockets of landlords"

And raided the pockets of taxpayers. Why doesn't our state government consider the effect on my civil rights? (Creation of poverty)
31 posted on 10/12/2002 2:56:38 AM PDT by ozone1
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To: Madame Dufarge
Mind you Mayor Raymond is a liberal RAT.
32 posted on 10/12/2002 2:58:08 AM PDT by ozone1
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To: Madame Dufarge
Off to work, See you on at the Peace Parade.
33 posted on 10/12/2002 2:59:21 AM PDT by ozone1
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To: dennisw; ozone1
Ex-Mayor Tara: Raymond ‘should apologize’

This city “has a tremendous opportunity” to show the nation and the world that it’s a welcoming place for everyone, said former Mayor Kaileigh Tara.

Seizing that opportunity shouldn’t be difficult, she said, but it requires leadership, understanding and compassion.

“I wanted to cry” after reading Mayor Larry Raymond’s open letter to Somali residents here last week, Tara said. “I did cry” after reading some letters to the editor endorsing his position that Lewiston is “maxed out” in terms of its ability to absorb more war refugees from Africa.

Tara was mayor at the time Lewiston was chosen by Somalis as a place to call home. Many of the newcomers had been settled initially in Atlanta. Some said that they found that city to be too violent, too prone to crime. Others said they feared their children could be introduced to drugs by neighbors there.

Lewiston seemed to be a better place, they’ve said, based on the state’s low crime rate. So they began immigrating here, and over the past 18 months, came to total more than 1,000 in number.

Tara said she met with Somali elders and leaders early on in that migration process. She said she found that the Somalis came here for the opportunities Lewiston offered, in housing, education and employment, the same things that brought other people here from other places.

Tara said she doesn’t believe Raymond has had similar conversations with Somalis who have moved here. He should, she added, as a first step toward better understanding.

“It was wrong to send that letter,” she said.

Intentionally or not, Tara said, Raymond’s open letter to the Somali community, which asked that they urge other family members and friends to not follow them here, smacked of racism.

The letter cited costs to the city to provide services for the Somalis. Those costs include general assistance.

The letter was “addressed to people of color,” Tara noted. No one in city government has ever suggested that poor white people not come here, Tara said, that the city couldn’t afford to absorb or provide services for them.

“We’re not full,” Tara said.

She called the Somali response to the letter, which has been extended to include a pending request to the U.S. Justice Department to determine if the city discriminates on the basis of national origin, understandable.

Tara doesn’t believe city government is discriminating against Somalis. Rather, she said the city’s municipal staff has performed wonders both in meeting needs and offering assistance in many ways to Lewiston’s newest residents.

But she says she can understand why Somalis might feel that way. Raymond, after all, is the mayor, she said. He’s the city’s elected leader. He needs to show leadership, she said. He needs to come forward to right a wrong, real or not.

“The mayor should apologize” to the Somali community she said. “He should extend his hand” in welcome.

He – and the entire City Council – should also join her and others in a walk of unity Sunday that’s intended to be a welcome to the Somali community, Tara suggested.

The walk starts at 8:45 a.m. at the Cavalry United Methodist Church. Led by children, marchers will make their way from the Sabattus Street church to Masjid al-Nur, the Lisbon Street mosque where city Somalis meet to pray.

“Where is God in this issue?” Tara asked rhetorically. “God can’t eliminate poverty,” which Tara said is among the root causes of the divisiveness now gripping the city, “but God’s people can.”

Tara said people who feel as she does also need to begin speaking out, and taking actions in other ways, to counter ignorance and hostility that might be race-based.

Recent deeds and words in the city regarding Somalis mean Lewiston “just took a giant step back,” Tara said. The city has a chance to leap forward, though, by taking a positive tack now, by showing Somalis and others that there are people here who care about their neighbors, and who embrace diversity.

Besides taking part in Sunday’s unity walk, Tara said people should invite their neighbors into their homes, “share a pot-luck supper” and get to know one another. Communicating, she said, could ease tensions and promote understanding.

And Mayor Raymond, she added, through his leadership could “set a tone to repair Lewiston’s black eye.”

Everyone else, she said, could help with those repairs by refusing to accept rumors as truth, and resist “spreading those lies.”

Tara said the global spotlight that’s been shined on Lewiston over the past week “breaks my heart. We are capable of so much more.”

34 posted on 10/12/2002 3:03:29 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
Lewiston should admit to their errors, beg for forgiveness, and send a check each month to all Somalis. All will live happily everafter. Well, at least the Somalis will.
35 posted on 10/12/2002 3:08:19 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: dennisw
The U.S. Attorney’s Office for Maine hasn’t received any complaints alleging discrimination or civil rights violations against Somali people by the city of Lewiston.

A paralegal working in the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Portland said there are no complaints on file with the office alleging discrimination by the city of Lewiston “to my knowledge.” The woman said she’d be the person in the office to handle such complaints.

The Portland Press Herald reported in its Thursday editions that people who make up part of the Somali community – supported by two named advocacy groups – intend to file a complaint with the Justice Department. The complaint, the newspaper reported, will seek a comprehensive federal review of the way Lewiston provides services and programs to the people it serves. The complaint, the newspaper added, is designed to make certain the city doesn’t discriminate on the basis of national origin.

The Islamic Society of Portland and Peace Action Maine are backing the decision by Somalis to seek federal intervention. The Portland newspaper didn’t name the Somalis who were involved in taking the action or say if they were from Lewiston’s Somali community, or Portland’s. It quoted Jamal Noor of the Islamic Society of Portland, who said he has a daughter and grandson in Lewiston, as saying he feared for his family’s safety.

< SNIP >

36 posted on 10/12/2002 3:11:17 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: cynicom
There are thousands more in Kenyan refugee camps just waiting their turn.
37 posted on 10/12/2002 3:15:28 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: IllegalAliensOUT
Yep,you're right. The real problem is at the INS. If they dont get in the country, they dont get to Maine. I'm afraid the policies at the INS will not change until it's too late for the country.
39 posted on 10/12/2002 5:36:03 AM PDT by capydick
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To: sarcasm; Madame Dufarge; metesky; ozone1; pkmaine; Atomic Vomit; ROCKLOBSTER; mlmr; bogeybob; ...
And why is the Attorney General ROWE kissing butt here? What's in it for HIM?
40 posted on 10/12/2002 6:02:16 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: sarcasm
Next step - import their enemies - we can then have tribal warfare in Maine.

What gripes me is: our own Tribes are having a hellava time getting a casino into the state of Maine which would bring jobs and contribute to the state budget.

But the immigrants come in and get everything handed to them. I bet if the Somali's wanted to build a big casino in Maine, you can bet the Lawmakers would HAND it to them, and we the taxpayers would be paying for it!

41 posted on 10/12/2002 6:04:48 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: ozone1
we are going to be rat voters, big governement good, so what if we have no jobs a dying economy and your going to pay for us or we're going to sue.)

Oh sure! And you see where Baldy is sucking up to them as well. Another DemocRAT! And to think the Catholic Church is behind this is incredible.........Allen, another DemocRAT is also working with Baldy for these people.

BALDACCI AND ALLEN SEEK FEDERAL ASSISTANCE TO ADDRESS INFLUX OF SOMALI IMMIGRANTS

In a letter to the Chairman and Ranking Member of the Appropriations Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services & Education, Representatives Baldacci and Allen called for $100,000 in funding to enable Catholic Charities of Maine to provide needed services to Somali immigrants in Lewiston and other communities. Catholic Charities provides outreach and assistance to refugees and immigrants."

So this gives Baldy and Allen and the rest of the DemocRATS running for office another 1,000 votes or more now? Just terrific.

IMHO, this is a BIG reason Baldy is bringing them in. To insure his seat as Governor in the Big House. Parish the thought..........

42 posted on 10/12/2002 7:27:03 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Lion's Cub
Unbelievable. Time to kick their butts out entirely.

It's time we take care of our OWN!

43 posted on 10/12/2002 7:29:05 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: sarcasm
Wow, they've only got FIFTY PERCENT UNEMPLOYMENT! AND they're BRAGGING about it!!! I wish fifty percent of Americans would stop working, just for a year. Starve the looters out!
44 posted on 10/12/2002 7:30:02 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: dennisw
Some friggin' advocate wrote that letter for the Somali welfare bums. It has every PC catch phrase in it. Somalis are too dumb to write such a letter.

SOMEONE set a fire under them behind closed doors, THAT'S for sure!

45 posted on 10/12/2002 7:30:26 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: dennisw
Just wait 'till winter and the houses start burning down due to stupid use of electric space heaters.

They'd LOVE northern Maine. LOL!


46 posted on 10/12/2002 7:31:45 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Cacique; rmlew; firebrand; Dutchy; StarFan; nutmeg; RaceBannon; Coleus; MissAmericanPie; WRhine; ...
ping.
47 posted on 10/12/2002 7:34:24 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
I'm sure that the unemployment rate is actually much higher. Note how they use the term "able bodied" in their statement. I wonder what percentage of their "community" is considered disabled.
48 posted on 10/12/2002 7:35:29 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: IllegalAliensOUT
Their people killed American soldiers in 1993, the government redistributes them in the united states (The US signed onto the UN refugees act not doubt, the boneheads!) and then they are given taxpayer social services. What a country!

Wasn't it over in Samoli where they dragged our dead soldier through the town? Remember that? Wasn't that over in Samoli???? Correct me if I am wrong....

49 posted on 10/12/2002 7:37:28 AM PDT by SheLion
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True. What about the ones that only want to work between 10am and 2pm because of religious duties? (I need to start a religion that says I can only work 4 hours a day...)
50 posted on 10/12/2002 7:38:24 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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