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KILLER AND HIS TRUCK ON VIDEO
New York Post ^ | 10/13/02 | NILES LATHEM and ADAM MILLER

Posted on 10/13/2002 12:23:42 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:09:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The hunt for the D.C. area's Psycho Sniper took two huge leaps forward yesterday, as sources revealed detectives have a video that may hold the maniacal mass murderer's face - and officials released a composite picture of a white box truck believed to be the cold-blooded killer's ride. A surveillance tape reportedly caught a suspicious person during Wednesday evening's attack on a 53-year-old engineer, who was killed in Manassas, Va., by the mystery gunman who police say has killed eight and wounded two in his spree.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
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To: Doc Savage
"When they finally catch Moore and his white book van I suggest we hold a national lottery to see who gets to disembowel this toad. "

Written by "Doc Savage". Now that was appropriate!

51 posted on 10/13/2002 6:46:13 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
So what happened to the white Chevy Astro van (truck)? This was described by men who worked at a gas station across the street. I would think they would know their trucks and cars better than the average person. One of them said there were two people.

Another witness described two Hispanics? What happened to that witness? If it doesn't fit into theit white male scenario, is the information being dismissed?
52 posted on 10/13/2002 6:48:13 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: elfman2
Dogs love trucks!
53 posted on 10/13/2002 6:49:53 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Thanks for the pic, I never before knew what was meant by "box truck"..
54 posted on 10/13/2002 6:52:51 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: AAABEST
>>If this is the work of islamo-sickies, every single government official in Washington should be dragged into the street and beaten for thier crass refusal to secure our borders and purge the enemy from our population.<<

And for refusing to profile Muslims.

Say, wait a minute, we have been hearing the profile of the likely shooter and it is always a "white male." Okay, but consider this; we are not allowed to profile Muslim terrorists. We can profile an UNSEEN shooter as a white male, a shooter that has killed 8 people, but we cannot profile Muslims that we KNOW murdered 3,000 people and are terrorist thugs?! What is going on here, and why haven't the talking heads at Fox News picked up on this inconsistency?
55 posted on 10/13/2002 7:23:37 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: ET(end tyranny)
"I'm thinking it might not be a very good picture. Might even be poor quality."

Yes, if the quality is too poor releasing it might get innocent people who bear a resemblance to the poor photo killed by a mob.

Note even the cops, with the picture, questioned an innocent look-a-like.
56 posted on 10/13/2002 7:27:16 AM PDT by APBaer
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To: FR_addict
So what happened to the white Chevy Astro van (truck)?

Might have been eliminated by subsequent investigation. IIRC, a dog hit on a gunpowder scent in the vegetation of a "traffic island" sorta deal in front of a HoJo across the intersection.. on the other side of the Virginia trooper.

I only heard this once though, so it may be partially or entirely inaccurate.

57 posted on 10/13/2002 7:50:08 AM PDT by TechJunkYard
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To: AAABEST
"Dear Policeman, I am God"

Nobody who's first language is English speaks with such syntax.

Not even in say, the salutation of 'a letter'?

58 posted on 10/13/2002 7:59:40 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: elfman2
To shaky to be a good sniper...maybe she's the driver and Donna is the shooter.
59 posted on 10/13/2002 8:10:12 AM PDT by gundog
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To: berkeleybeej; blondee123
do not have hubcaps on the rear wheels.

I think blondee123 was pretending to be as inept as the media.

60 posted on 10/13/2002 8:16:14 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Do we have the shooter and a driver/spotter?

I saw a TV interview of a sniper who is the head of a fraternal organization of retired snipers. Basically he said the adrenaline rush of "manhunting" is so intense it would be extremely difficult for a sniper to shoot someone and then calmly get behind the wheel of a vehicle and slowly drive off....

61 posted on 10/13/2002 8:42:13 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: AAABEST
"Dear Policeman, I am God"

This is a foreigner or someone trying to sound like one. Nobody who's first language is English speaks with such syntax.

I totally agree with you -- reminds me of the antrax letters, "We have this anthrax." Middle-eastern, in my view...

62 posted on 10/13/2002 8:53:13 AM PDT by WL-law
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To: KingKongCobra
There's a lot in this that appears similar to disinformation tactics. What comes immediately to the eye is the ability to note "a small dent in the rear bumper" but not to be able to describe the writing on the side of the truck -- or even what color it is (black or purple).

This is odd information to put out in this way. If there is a composite or photo of the perp, one would think there would be wider distribution of it in this environment -- to get neighbors, or people this man has met to identify him.

Some things certainly don't appear to add up in this.

63 posted on 10/13/2002 8:58:34 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: AAABEST
"No psychosis here. Two people don't share a psychosis and become spree killers together. Planned conspiracy would be more like it. "

While this is the more likely scenario, there have been co op nut killers before. The Hillside Strangler in Los Angeles turned out to be two guys working together, Buono and Biannci if I recall the names right.

64 posted on 10/13/2002 9:03:27 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: elfman2
Her attire still looks nice. The Janet Reno Collection. LOL
65 posted on 10/13/2002 9:09:27 AM PDT by LaGrone
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To: AAABEST; kattracks; Squantos; harpseal; SLB; Travis McGee; wardaddy
Your theory is also held by Major John Plaster (The Ultimate Sniper).

He was on a local talk radio show last week talking about this. While I thought that no muslim would say "I am God", Plaster thinks that it is possible that the killer's translation is flawed, and that he meant to say "I am with God". The "Dear Policeman" also sounds like bad English.

I don't have any good numbers on the distances of the shots made by the sniper, but Plaster also said that he could teach a 16 year-old girl who has never seen a gun to make those shots within a weekend.

66 posted on 10/13/2002 9:10:00 AM PDT by pocat
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To: AAABEST
"If this is the work of islamo-sickies, every single government official in Washington should be dragged into the street and beaten for thier crass refusal to secure our borders and purge the enemy from our population"

Heck,beat up the married ones,too.

And even if it isn't islamo-terror, tar and feather the officials who harass,intimidate, and jail those who exercise the God-given, natural right of self-defense.

67 posted on 10/13/2002 9:13:40 AM PDT by hoosierham
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To: FR_addict
So what happened to the white Chevy Astro van (truck)? This was described by men who worked at a gas station across the street. I would think they would know their trucks and cars better than the average person. One of them said there were two people.

Just heard on Fox News, they are making a sketch of the white Chevy Astro too. I'm surprised how long it is taking to get the sketches out to the public.

68 posted on 10/13/2002 9:13:42 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: elfman2
Big Jan couldn't be the shooter, she's too shaky!
69 posted on 10/13/2002 9:20:04 AM PDT by reaganbooster
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To: AAABEST
No psychosis here. Two people don't share a psychosis and become spree killers together.

It happens.

Manson murders, Bonnie and Clyde. There are many occasions when two or more people go on killing sprees together.It usualy is a young male with a female follower.

Based on the New Age tarot card, the "Dear Policeman" remark and because there appears to be an accomplice involved, I'm betting the killer(s) are a young man in his early twenties and his grlfriend.

70 posted on 10/13/2002 9:20:09 AM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: CharacterCounts
Manson murders, Bonnie and Clyde. There are many occasions when two or more people go on killing sprees together.It usualy is a young male with a female follower.

It could be something like that here. Whatever it is, people in that area who plan on going out to an area where they could be isolated without witnesses around should carry camcorders and start taping everything around them. It might be good protection to be obvious about filming your surroundings also.

71 posted on 10/13/2002 9:23:00 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: SLB
Interesting idea, yours. It seems the public is being "driven" in a certain direction. Remember how people immediately thought the Fed building bombing was Middle Eastern terrorism, but they pinned it on McVeigh? Now of course links to those "others" are occuring.
72 posted on 10/13/2002 9:37:03 AM PDT by Libertina
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Of course the libs will say that this is more of a reason why we need gun control, and turn the whole issue away from terrorism.
73 posted on 10/13/2002 9:41:18 AM PDT by M. Peach
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I thought it was a one armed man who left the scene.
74 posted on 10/13/2002 9:42:52 AM PDT by M. Peach
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To: aruanan
You can say that again. That's being redundant and repetitive.
75 posted on 10/13/2002 9:43:47 AM PDT by M. Peach
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To: AAABEST
BTTT
76 posted on 10/13/2002 9:44:51 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: MattinNJ
My feeling is that if it were Al-Qaeda, they would have much more of an impact if they did this in 3 or 4 cities at once. Could you imagine the paralyisis then? They could really create some havoc by doing it in more than one major urban area.

I would tend to think that if they were doing it, they would want us to know about it.
77 posted on 10/13/2002 9:48:21 AM PDT by M. Peach
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To: SLB
So far the weekends have been quiet.

Since tomorrow is a federal holiday - Columbus Day - I predict tomorrow will be quiet too.

78 posted on 10/13/2002 9:53:36 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Other scenarios?

I figure that the accomplice is a woman, a wife or girlfriend under his control.
79 posted on 10/13/2002 10:13:18 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: wardaddy

80 posted on 10/13/2002 10:13:42 AM PDT by ALS
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To: Arkinsaw
I figure that the accomplice is a woman, a wife or girlfriend under his control.

Distinct possibility!

81 posted on 10/13/2002 10:16:41 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)

82 posted on 10/13/2002 10:21:58 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Fred Mertz
So far the weekends have been quiet.

I've been thinking on that. Why are Saturday and Sunday (thus far) been non killing days. Could the shooter be someone that honors both G-d's Commandment to keep the Sabbath holy, and Sunday, the traditional day of worship for Christians?

Since tomorrow is a federal holiday - Columbus Day - I predict tomorrow will be quiet too.

Somehow, I doubt that the Beltway Basketcase, thinks so highly of the feds that the shooter will not mar their 'holiday'.

83 posted on 10/13/2002 10:24:59 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
There's a lot in this that appears similar to disinformation tactics. What comes immediately to the eye is the ability to note "a small dent in the rear bumper" but not to be able to describe the writing on the side of the truck -- or even what color it is (black or purple).

Some things certainly don't appear to add up in this.
   Agreed and Agreed! This investigation oozes intrigue...

What is the "dialog" between LE and the perp/s that is going on here?

84 posted on 10/13/2002 10:27:34 AM PDT by GirlShortstop
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To: Bad~Rodeo
Now that is funny!!!! Tony Sanchez as the Tarot Card Killer
85 posted on 10/13/2002 10:53:58 AM PDT by TexasGunRunner
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You gotta be kidding! Is that the profile of the truck? A large step van? Those things run at a husky 40 mph. I heard it was a minivan with ladder racks.
86 posted on 10/13/2002 11:01:11 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: Doc Savage
"When they finally catch Moore and his white book van I suggest we hold a national lottery to see who gets to disembowel this toad."

Now that would be one heck of a lot of disembowelling!

87 posted on 10/13/2002 11:11:41 AM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: CharacterCounts
Manson murders, Bonnie and Clyde. There are many occasions when two or more people go on killing sprees together.It usualy is a young male with a female follower.

I don't know much about Bonnie and Clyde, but I always thought that their motivation was to make money from robberies. There are groups of people who have done tremendous violence while working together to steal from others, but that is a different case. The Maryland sniper is not working on a profit motive.

The Manson situation could be similar to this one. A very charismatic psycho could influence others, likely including women, to do these kinds of killings in the hope of inciting a situation that he believes would allow him to rule the world.

The Henry Lee Lucas killings are another example of a serial killer working with an accomplice. He wasn't in it for profit but was just a psychopathic killer. He worked with the guy who killed Adam Walsh.

However, none of these groups used the tactics that we see here. Maybe these murders represent a new tactic for a new group of psychos. Maybe they are are an Al-Qaeda operation. At this point, we simply don't have the data to draw any real conclusions.

WFTR
Bill

88 posted on 10/13/2002 11:29:54 AM PDT by WFTR
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To: freebilly
Nope.
89 posted on 10/13/2002 11:37:45 AM PDT by Old Professer
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To: ChiMark
A large step van?

The truck in the picture is not a stepvan. Also, it could probably do 80 MPH. I don't think it would be easy to conceal, though, unless there is a warehouse nearby to drive it into.

90 posted on 10/13/2002 11:42:13 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: JLS
press thinks this retouched photo is a "sketch... people who do not know the difference between a retouched photo and a sketch?

Journalism degree. One step up from an Education degree, one step down from a Sociology degree.

91 posted on 10/13/2002 11:47:27 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: AAABEST
"Dear Policeman, I am God"

There was a professor of criminology named Fox who was on with Don Wade and Roma (WLS-AM, 890, Chicago) the other day who said that "Dear police" showed that the shooter had respect for the police. I was surprised that Roma, with her literary experience*, didn't laugh the guy to scorn for his obvious lack of it. "Dear police" indicated snide, taunting contempt, not respect.

*Why I refer to literary experience is that it is the great writers of fiction who have always been the most able psychologists throughout the ages, leaving such as Freud, Jung, Maslow, Skinner, and (especially) Fox simply writhing in their dust.
92 posted on 10/13/2002 11:55:05 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Libertina
Hell...If we're going to wildly speculate....Lets look into if "they" have called McVeigh out of "retirement"...
93 posted on 10/13/2002 11:57:32 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Doc Savage
I saw a clip of his movie and in it, he received a "sniper" rifle after opening up a bank account. He should definitely be on the short list of suspects.
96 posted on 10/13/2002 12:07:14 PM PDT by GnL
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To: pocat
While I thought that no muslim would say "I am God", Plaster thinks that it is possible that the killer's translation is flawed, and that he meant to say "I am with God".

That probably rules out a Japanese person, beacause the translation would have read something like "The projectile of firing which generously encompasses in several shooting, being together." :-)

97 posted on 10/13/2002 12:07:19 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: M. Peach
as someone once said....Why is it that every time there is a gun incident..."THEY" want to take the guns from the people that DIDN'T DO IT!
98 posted on 10/13/2002 12:10:59 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: kattracks
New close-up of rear of truck:


99 posted on 10/13/2002 12:56:11 PM PDT by SarahW
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To: WFTR
I talked to a guy who's father was hired by Bonnie and Clyde when they were hiding out on some island. He would row out and deliver food and supplies.
The father's clearest memory was that Bonnie was a vicious psycho.
100 posted on 10/13/2002 1:09:03 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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