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Four out of 10 Americans support annexing Canada, poll suggests
Yahoo ^ | Sunday October 13 | MICHELLE MACAFEE

Posted on 10/13/2002 11:12:33 PM PDT by Michael2001

MONTREAL (CP) - Should Canada become the 51st American state? Four out of 10 Americans answered "sure" in a recent poll conducted by Leger Marketing of Montreal.

While 38 per cent of respondents said they would be "in favour of Canada being annexed to the United States," 49 per cent disagreed. Another 13 per cent said they did not know or refused to answer.

But those who follow Canada-U.S. relations closely said Canadians should not panic.

"I wouldn't worry about the army coming," said Christopher Sands, director of the Canada Project for the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C.

"I don't think there's any manifest-destiny thinking much in the United States anymore. People don't want to just acquire territory."

Sands said he was somewhat puzzled by the "high minority" of Americans who said Canada should be annexed. However, he speculated the responses were an indication of goodwill and welcome towards Canadians should the government ever decide on its own that it wants to join the United States.

Canadians are no longer the strangers to Americans they once were, added Sands. So Americans are now more accepting of the cultural and political differences between the two countries than they were in the past and they aren't in a rush to launch a takeover of their neighbours to the north.

Harold Waller, who teaches U.S. politics at McGill University in Montreal, said Canadians should view the poll result as more of a curiosity than a real window on how Americans see us.

"I doubt if the average American knows enough about Canada to make a reasoned assessment, what the pros and cons might be," said Waller. "There's really an abysmal level of ignorance about Canada in the United States so I don't know what conclusions you can reach."

Waller said Americans likely didn't express overwhelming enthusiasm for annexation because they didn't see any obvious advantage to them.

From a historical perspective, there hasn't been a real push by Americans for annexation since the 19th century, he added.

Leger interviewed 1,000 Americans between Sept. 19 and Sept. 29 for the poll provided to The Canadian Press. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

Leger also compared these results to a similar survey of 1,508 Canadians in early September 2001.

On the question of annexation by the United States, 19.9 per cent of Canadians said at that time that they would be in favour, while 76.5 per cent rejected the proposition. Another 3.6 per cent said they didn't know or refused to answer.

For this year's survey, the pollsters also asked Americans if they would be "in favour of Canada adopting the U.S. dollar as its national currency."

Fifty-eight per cent of respondents said "yes," while 28 per cent said "no" and 15 per cent said they didn't know or refused to answer.

In last year's poll, 39.9 per cent of Canadians said they'd be in favour of the switch, while 55.1 per cent were opposed and five per cent said they didn't know or refused to answer.

Sands said the wording of that question could have been interpreted by Americans as Canadians asking for permission to adopt the U.S. dollar after already deciding it was the best move for Canada.

"I'm sure the average American doesn't think, 'Gee those low Canadian dollars give them an export advantage,'" said Sands. "I don't think it's about imposition. I think it's about 'Well, yeah, we don't mind.'"

Waller said it wouldn't make a difference to the average American if Canada started using the U.S. dollar, noting Panama already uses the currency.

"I can't imagine the average American having a clue about the Canadian dollar, or what it means, or what its value is, or how it fluctuates."


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1 posted on 10/13/2002 11:12:34 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: Michael2001
Canada will split sson. Let's offer to make Alberta our 51 state.
2 posted on 10/13/2002 11:15:30 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Michael2001; Diogenesis
That'd be one way to keep the swarthies from sneaking over our northern border!
3 posted on 10/13/2002 11:18:29 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Michael2001
Good day eh

So the Canucks could be our 51th state COOL

I don't think I want change our economy or change from meaurement to Metric system NOT COOL EH

Come on Canada don't be hoser eh
4 posted on 10/13/2002 11:19:40 PM PDT by SevenofNine
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To: Michael2001
However, he speculated the responses were an indication of goodwill and welcome towards Canadians should the government ever decide on its own that it wants to join the United States.

I tend to agree with this reasoning. I don't think anyone wants to "take over" Canada. But if they wanna join our little party (and not be socialists), why not?

5 posted on 10/13/2002 11:24:08 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Michael2001
I'm all for annexation. It would just about assure a U.S. gold medal in Olympic hockey every time.
6 posted on 10/13/2002 11:27:07 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Diogenesis
Yeah, I agree. Alberta we'll take. The rest, well...forget it.
7 posted on 10/13/2002 11:27:47 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Diogenesis
Let's trade them Hawaii, Massachusetts, and Southern California. ;)
8 posted on 10/13/2002 11:28:06 PM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: Michael2001
"I doubt if the average American knows enough about Canada to make a reasoned assessment, what the pros and cons might be," said Waller. "There's really an abysmal level of ignorance about Canada in the United States so I don't know what conclusions you can reach."

Hold muh red pen!

There's really an abysmal level of ignorance about Canada in the United States

9 posted on 10/13/2002 11:31:53 PM PDT by thedugal
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To: Michael2001
I am totally opposed to Canada entering the Union.

Just what we Don’t’ Need another couple of million idiots who vote socialist to parliament every couple of years.

10 posted on 10/13/2002 11:34:21 PM PDT by Pontiac
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To: Michael2001
Looks like Leger Marketing wanted to raise some cheap publicity, hence this "poll".

I would certainly like to know more about their methods, especially who the "respondents" were and the complete text of the questions. For example, are we talking forced annexation or voluntary? Seems like an important point, don't you think?

I don't know any Americans who would support invading Canada. That's the domain of freaky, lunatic-fringe psycho tinfoilers. It's patently absurd.

This stinks of media grandstanding. I seriously doubt this so-called poll has any validity at all.

100% of Americans I have surveyed about this poll think it's a bunch of bovine excrement, myself included.

11 posted on 10/13/2002 11:35:31 PM PDT by Imal
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To: Michael2001
6 out of 10 Canadians support it too! Come on down. We'll soon have a healthcare system as lousy as yours. (If Hilly has her way.) You won't notice any difference at all.
12 posted on 10/13/2002 11:36:14 PM PDT by Waco
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To: Michael2001
The English Canucks I've met over the years are very nice people. Their government sucks. Creeping socialism, and their PM is a coward. Read the other posts here on FR. The Canadians are ashamed of him in regards to our quest against Hussein.
13 posted on 10/13/2002 11:50:01 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Pontiac
I am totally opposed to Canada entering the Union.

I'm not sure we could prevent them from joining if we wanted too

Per the U.S. Article of Confederation

XI. Canada acceding to this confederation, and adjoining in the measures of the United States, shall be admitted into, and entitled to all the advantages of this Union; but no other colony shall be admitted into the same, unless such admission be agreed to by nine States.

I not sure the Articles of Confederation were ever formally repeal, the Constitution just superseded it

14 posted on 10/14/2002 12:15:06 AM PDT by tophat9000
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To: tophat9000
but no other colony shall be admitted into the same, unless such admission be agreed to by nine States.

Here is our out. Canada is no longer a colony. It is now a fully independent member of the British Commonwealth.

15 posted on 10/14/2002 12:21:39 AM PDT by Pontiac
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To: tophat9000
I not sure the Articles of Confederation were ever formally repeal, the Constitution just superseded it.

Same difference.

Snidely

16 posted on 10/14/2002 12:27:41 AM PDT by Snidely Whiplash
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To: Michael2001
"I can't imagine the average American having a clue about the Canadian dollar, or what it means, or what its value is, or how it fluctuates."

DUH!!!

We don't know nuthin' about the AMERICAN dollar, either!!!!!!!!!!!

17 posted on 10/14/2002 5:10:13 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Michael2001
Canada has no reason to panic. The United States will never "annex" Canada against their will. However, I believe that the U.S. and Canada are so similar that it makes sense for us to become one country. Just think, together we could be the largest nation on earth. Even larger in area than Russia or China. And Canadians will get a nice bargain as well, they would be an integral part of the richest and most powerful nation on earth.

I think it will happen someday. But only when the people of Canada are ready for it.

18 posted on 10/14/2002 5:14:27 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76
Hey Sam, check out these guys. They want to annex EVERYTHING! http://www.geocities.com/us_int/

Their plan to annex Great Britain is particularly insightful. :O)
19 posted on 10/14/2002 6:29:32 AM PDT by Maximum Leader
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To: Michael2001
"I can't imagine the average American having a clue about the Canadian dollar, or what it means, or what its value is, or how it fluctuates."

It ain't called a LOONIE fer nuttin', eh?

20 posted on 10/14/2002 6:36:38 AM PDT by bankwalker
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To: stands2reason
Powder..patch..Ball FIRE!

Yeah, I agree. Alberta we'll take. The rest, well...forget it.

Whats wrong with the Yukon and British Columbia? Gives us a land bridge to Alaska and huge amounts of natural resources, and the current residents are by most part just as leery of the goverment as quite a few freepers!

21 posted on 10/14/2002 8:44:10 AM PDT by BallandPowder
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To: SamAdams76
http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/index.shtml

The above is another canada joining the USA. It has a nice animation.
22 posted on 10/14/2002 8:47:57 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: BallandPowder
Correct, this may happen sooner. Since Canada has abdicated its national defense government responsibility to the United States.
23 posted on 10/14/2002 8:51:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: SamAdams76
But only when the people of Canada are ready for it

Not going to happen Sam, at least not joining the USA that you know. Most posters mention Alberta ,which for some strange reason ,known only to the posters , would be happy swapping a Ottawa for a Washington. Given Alberta is "energy" what kind of energy deal would Washington hand to Edmonton? Albertans aren't that stupid. The big suprise comes when the Liberal governments of B.C. and Yukon, and the NDP socialist governments of Saskatchewan and Manitoba are mentioned. Bad Ontario is conservative and the richest. The only province never to receive stabilization payments. Yet for some reason, perhaps the existence of Ottawa within her borders , Ontario is viewed as beyond having any value. As for the Maitimes, we're keeping their wealth in oil, gas, and nickel a secret.

It's interesting to note that few ,if any, benefits would be in Canada's favour and that several benefits would be realized by the USA .Remembering that the only country ever to invade Canada has been the USA ,and that usually the smaller joins the larger I wonder that some day, after the Republics of Aztlan ,Hawaii, Alaska, Florida and North Eastern Somalia, formerly Maine, are recognized by the UN Canadians might vote 38% for allowing American PAU (Please annex us) delegates to visit Ottawa.:)

24 posted on 10/14/2002 12:22:32 PM PDT by Snowyman
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To: tophat9000
Per the U.S. Article of Confederation

Nice find, Top

25 posted on 10/14/2002 12:26:02 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Michael2001
Just say no to Quebec though.
26 posted on 10/14/2002 12:28:34 PM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: Snowyman
Most Canadian accept that the great Canadian experiment in nationhood is over.The British North America Act which was dreamed up by a bunch of Lords in London to preserve British real estate interests and impede Manfest Destiny is obsolete.Canadians are also aware that a unified North America would be the largest and richest nation on earth by far. So, in keeping with her aggressive immigration policy, it is time for Canada to add another 260 million immigrants.We will do the deal provided we get an NFL franchise in Calgary.
27 posted on 10/14/2002 12:33:50 PM PDT by albertabound
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To: albertabound
I support a free Alberta. I support Alberta being Her own country and separating from Canada.

Sorry, but we don't want any more socialists joining the US. So I don't think the idea of Canada joining America is viable. [You'd have to get 3/4 of the states to agree as well as the Congress.] But the idea of Alberta breaking free -- is

28 posted on 10/14/2002 12:40:48 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: albertabound
No Way. Have you any idea how much it would cost to biligualize (that has to be a word, it sounds so Ottawa) all those US politicians and then there is Metric. Well 100kph is not 100 mph!....btw, who said Manifest Destiny was strictly an American invention. Joey Smallwood used it in Newfoundland to great effect. Look what it got them.
29 posted on 10/14/2002 12:54:18 PM PDT by Snowyman
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To: Sunsong
Firstly, there are not as many socialists in Canada as you are led to believe. Canada traditionally follows U.S. political trends by at least one election and believe you me,the clowns in Ottawa are converting liberals to conservatives at an astounding rate. We all benefit in a united North America.The way the world in going today, Globalizm is dead dead dead. The USNA would be totally self sufficient in all respects and the Arabs can eat their oil. Alberta has enough to supply the USNA for 300 years.
30 posted on 10/14/2002 2:46:26 PM PDT by albertabound
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To: albertabound
I would certainly respect your views on Canada, but I do not agree with you that the United State of America is going to vote to merge with Canada and Mexico. Not in the next ten years.

My view is that Canada needs to decide whether She is going to make the effort required to find a way out of the decline She is in, or hasten the decline into disintergration.

We're not going to be your savior. And once you find out that you can handle things on your own and don't even need to be saved, you'll want to continue to be a free and soverign country.

I'm sure America and Americans will help you, but you need to take the lead in your own interests.

This whole idea of a USNA strikes me as being based on fear and greed and not goodness. I disagree with you about it gaining popularity.

The best idea I have heard is Alberta breaking free. Perhaps just a serious movement in that direction will ignite the changes needed...

31 posted on 10/14/2002 10:58:28 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: wattsmag2
Just say no to Quebec though.

C'mon ... wouldn't it be fun to annex Quebec and force them all to speak English (or possibly Esperanto)?

32 posted on 10/14/2002 11:08:45 PM PDT by Polonius
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To: Polonius
Well, that might be amusing
33 posted on 10/15/2002 9:58:43 AM PDT by wattsmag2
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