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US sniper may be linked to Bin Laden (DC SNIPER ALERT)
The Evening Standard ^ | October 14, 2002 | James Langton

Posted on 10/14/2002 2:44:20 AM PDT by MadIvan

Intelligence experts in Washington are increasingly concerned that the gunman known as the "psycho-sniper" could be a terrorist with links to Islamic terror groups.

From the evidence gathered so far, which includes a handwritten note by the gunman, investigators think English may not be his first language.

The shootings, which have left eight dead in fewer than 12 days, coincided with a warning that Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network is planning new attacks. The FBI warned last Wednesday that supporters of Bin Laden were "targeting key sectors of the US economy" and has long suspected that a number of "sleeper" cells are still active.

The latest victim, on Friday morning, was father-of-six Kenneth Bridges, gunned down at a petrol station in Fredericksburg.

Investigators are troubled by the gunman's behaviour, in particular his habit of selecting targets at random. Recent reports suggest he may have a female accomplice and drives a large white van.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: allies; alqaedq; blair; bush; dc; osama; sniper; uk; usa
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To: KsSunflower
Exactly -- I have no problem with entertaining all possibilities, but to dismiss the thought of AQ terrorism is irresponsible.
301 posted on 10/14/2002 8:43:25 AM PDT by johnb838
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To: KsSunflower
Horrible thought that young people have no feelings about killing and can be cold blooded like that. But look at Columbine and then the rash of young kids just taking shots at other kids for fun like snipers. It is a sad thing to think that some kids are growing up like that. These may be kids old enough to drive and old enough to have guns and maybe are just on a kill for kicks spree with no particular motive but to act out their favorite movies or video games. How many kids have we seen within the past 10 years targeting people with guns. These kids have no guidance from adults and can basically do what they want.
302 posted on 10/14/2002 8:44:07 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: KsSunflower
There seems to be very little crossover, ie., cases in which a serial killer targets random adults and who also targets young children.

Well, first- the boy he shot wasn't exactly a young child. 13 wasn't he? And there have been examples of serial killers who have targeted both. It is of course a possibility that he is an al Qaeda bad man. But is equally possible that he is a homegrown caucasian American as well- yes or no?

We have threads on this very forum of all manner of sick twisted people and the heinous evil acts they commit. I recall one about a mother who put her baby in the oven and baked it. Sick people, sociopaths come in all forms and stripes. We, in America, have our fair share of them.

A person who would randomly snipe at total strangers for absolutely no discernible reason- well who knows what they would do? Do you? I don't. I do know that this person has targeted adults and children. I do know that other notorious killers have as well.

Other than my own military experience and conversations I have had with people in the past who seemed to have a fetish for sniping- I have no personal experience to draw upon.

I can speculate about the weapon, how he would get into and out of the area and the problems he faced while shooting because these would similar to problems I had been trained to solve.

I can speculate about the white box truck because I used to be the lead man over he assembly line that made this specific model and know those box trucks inside and out.

But I would not kill an innocent person, so I can't tell you what is going through the mind of somebody who would. Everywhere I have ever been on Earth, people seemed to value their children equally well. I see no reason to believe, based upon my scant experience in life, nor from other home grown examples nor from my idle speculation that this person could not easily be a home grown nutter. It could be anybody. But what is there to heavily point to it being a foreign terrorist? I don't see it.

303 posted on 10/14/2002 8:45:01 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: bassbrew
Could it not be a home grown nutcase that happens to be a rabid moose limb?

Or it could be a cheese nut!!!

304 posted on 10/14/2002 8:45:27 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
But look at Columbine and then the rash of young kids just taking shots at other kids for fun like snipers.

But here again, as is usually the case with serial killers, they targeted a specific group -- their peers. Also, it was up close and personal. Unabomber also singled out a group -- corporate figures. To me, it is the nature of the randomness here that is very telling. I just don't think a couple of kids would be quite so cunning in their escape nor emotionally capable of not cracking yet.

306 posted on 10/14/2002 8:50:09 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: Sender
Whoever it is, I'd bet a paycheck that it's NOT two kids on Ritalin with nothing better to do.

Well I won't bet anything on it myself: my crystal ball isn't always reliable... :o)

307 posted on 10/14/2002 8:50:25 AM PDT by Elenya
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To: nicmarlo
"But as I have heard from psych experts, serial killer experts, this sniper is not selecting a "target group" and in that way differs from all previous serial killers....there's a randomness to the killings: women, men, and a child, of different ethnicities. Does not fit the "normal" serial killer profile"

That is EXACTLY what has been bugging me so much about this whole case. It doesn't fit ANYTHING..unless his "target group" are Americans, regardless of age, race or gender.

"Leads me to believe the sniper is not a "serial killer" or American......(unless it's an american Johnny Jihad)."

EXACTLY. BUMP.

308 posted on 10/14/2002 8:51:23 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Prodigal Son
A psycho might target young children. Thirteen-year-olds are old enough to be soldiers in many cultures. I can recall 12-year-olds attacking Soviet tanks in the Hungarian uprising. Not to mention the current bombings in Israel.
309 posted on 10/14/2002 8:51:55 AM PDT by js1138
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To: anniegetyourgun
There is no direct link to anything but it must be an evil white male! This is well planned. The killer(s) did not panic, the targets are random and there is no identifiable
evidence except for casings. If this were a manical killer
would'nt this happen within a few hours instead of spreading over days? What they are saying is this murder spree does not fit the conventional profiles. So why can't we assume it is terrorism?
310 posted on 10/14/2002 8:54:38 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: js1138
I heard on FOX this morning that at the last shooting site that they found a hand written note that had directions from MD to that Exxon station. Has anyone heard this from other sources?
311 posted on 10/14/2002 8:58:11 AM PDT by aboutojump
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To: ChiMark
Actually, there is a pattern. He only works 5 days a week, therefore, he must have a job on the weekends that requires his absence.
313 posted on 10/14/2002 8:58:37 AM PDT by PokeyJoe
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To: js1138
Unless he himself is the truck's owner; say, a small business
314 posted on 10/14/2002 8:59:02 AM PDT by sobieski
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To: KsSunflower
This shooting of a child, I believe, would be out of character for an American sniper.

Not if the shooter is a teenager. A lot of things on this thread, and others, used to point the finger at ME terrorists could equally point to teenagaers.

The Note: Dear Policeman - Indicative of a juvinile mind.

The taunt: I am God - This statement was in response to statements made by the Chief at a press conference. Demonstrates that authority is an issue with the shooter. In my mind also indicative of juvinile thinking.

No shootings on weekends: - Why? Because parents are at home on weekends?

The tarot card: - Very new age or occultish. This points away from ME Terrorists and towards teenage punk goth mentality.

315 posted on 10/14/2002 8:59:20 AM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: aboutojump
I had understood from earlier postings that the directions are from northern Maryland (presumably not including Montgomery County) to the Beltway. The source is apparently a Newsweek article.
316 posted on 10/14/2002 9:00:13 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: js1138
Are all of them going to be so deficient in curiosity that they don't compare notes as to where they were at the time of the shootings?

I believe there are at least three people involved, so that each has an alibi for at least one shooting. In my mind this makes it more likely to be organized terrorism.

Good point. The post about the prayer times was interesting too.

317 posted on 10/14/2002 9:01:16 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: MadIvan
This guys never strikes on the weekends, doesn't seem to be striking today on a federal holiday even though the working masses are still working today so that would lead one to believe that this sniper is a government employee. Either a state, local or federal employee. Since this person has struck in Maryland, D.C. and Virginia it would make you wonder if they are not a federal employee as they would be completely out of place if they were a state employee in another state. This sniper is probably a government courier of some type.
318 posted on 10/14/2002 9:03:43 AM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: Aquinasfan; js1138
And the worst shot was the one a week and a half ago at the unusual time of 2 PM on Friday in Fredericksburg. Evidence that that shooting was by another shooter (although using the same weapon, as ballistics shows)?
319 posted on 10/14/2002 9:03:56 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: js1138
One of the most intriguing clues is the void of killings on weekends. To me this says the sniper is either a local student skipping school, his parents are home on weekends and he has less flexibility on those days. Or, it could be an intentional effort to target a community during their busiest and most vulnerable time -- during the work/school week. It's anyone's guess. On a side note, isn't this region where the majority of anthrax letters were mailed?
320 posted on 10/14/2002 9:04:40 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: mikhailovich
Avoiding weekends could just reflect the shooter's concentration on escape and evasion. Traffic much lighter on weekends.
321 posted on 10/14/2002 9:05:50 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: anniegetyourgun; MadIvan; Jeff Head; tomkat
Add THESE all together and then tell us why the shooter is not a muslim immigrant, instead of the "military trained" white-trash gun-nut that the media keeps pushing.

(a) Poor English, "Dear Mr. Policeman, I am God...") and the childish use of American iconography. The Tarot card was misused; "true believers" in Tarot reading wouldn't use as the card as a threat. Shooter might as well have used a photocopy of a Superman comic book. Immigrants and non-residents traditionally pick up cheap media tricks, phrases and gimmicks from American culture; at best, the card was for disinformation and as a scare tactic;

(b) 150 yards does not require sniper skill; beginners can hit targets at this range after one hour of training with no scope;

(c) Serial killers usually kill up close and personal, often focussing on similar targets; this guy is shooting randomly (the Texas Tower killings were the obvious exception);

(d) Muslims have no compunction about targeting women, children and elderly non-combatants (ask Geraldo, he's the "palistinianist expert" /sarcasm off...);

(e) If he was trained, we cannot ignore the fact that the CIA trained hundreds of "Palestinians" in counter terrorism/sniping," for the PLO, as well as thousands of other muslims as "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan. When the Maryland PD looks at sniper schools, they should look for the muslims America has trained. Check with Louis Freeh and George Tenet, and thank Clinton, George Mitchell and Shimon Peres;

(f) No one taking is credit: muslim terrorists in the U.S. have never/rarely taken credit for their actions; they are too nervous about bringing shame on CAIR;

(g) No one is turning him in despite a $500,000 reward. See (f) above. The American Muslim community is more loyal to Islam than to America. It took a year for the FBI to break the Lakanookie 6, and to do that the Feds had to confront/turn the weakest link within the group.
322 posted on 10/14/2002 9:06:17 AM PDT by Yehuda
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To: mikhailovich
Government employee, doesn't run his courier routes during the weekends and he won't strike today as it is a federal holiday.
323 posted on 10/14/2002 9:06:26 AM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: Jeff Head
...if it is a terrorist, I believe they are creating a "play book" for others to use in the future.

Yes. I've been afraid that this is a training/probing exercise. What if they have teams observing in detail the immediate response on the ground at or near the scene, some monitoring police scanners.

What if, having trained the snipers in training camps (or even like those jerks in Oregon), they are now going through a "dress rehearsal" one by one to see who keeps cool when they're doing the real thing. Not always the same as performance under training. And with a support team handy to help them through if they waver or panic during or after.

Then what? Maybe teams are sent to major cities in time to pick off Christmas shoppers. If people became too afraid to go shopping at Christmas time, what happens to the economy? And the economy is known to be a major target. Even if people shop by catalogue, what happens to the stores? We need to find and CRUSH these creeps fast.

324 posted on 10/14/2002 9:06:43 AM PDT by Sal
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To: mikhailovich
On a side note, isn't this region where the majority of anthrax letters were mailed?

Many of the anthrax letters were mailed to the D.C. area (and many to NYC media), but they were postmarked Trenton, NJ.

325 posted on 10/14/2002 9:07:16 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: mikhailovich
To me this says the sniper is either a local student skipping school, his parents are home on weekends and he has less flexibility on those days.

As the parent of a teenager, who is a great kid, active in church, hangs with youth group kids, volunteers at the hospital, umpires little league games...I can assure you, teenagers are not home on the weekends.

326 posted on 10/14/2002 9:09:49 AM PDT by KsSunflower
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To: aristeides
Avoiding weekends could just reflect the shooter's concentration on escape and evasion. Traffic much lighter on weekends.

I agree. It doesn't mean anything either way.

327 posted on 10/14/2002 9:11:19 AM PDT by Elenya
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To: Demidog
well, while we're posting theories that haven't been floated yet, I thought of a couple over the weekend that had my wife rolling her eyes at me (not a terribly uncommon occurrence in my household).

George Bush is behind it. It is taking the attention of the public off of Iraq. Folks are afraid to hold peace rallies in DC for fear of the sniper.

Kathleen Kennedy Townsend is behind it. Her exceedingly listless campaign for governor needed an issue to galvanize opposition to Erlich.

For the record...I'm still leaning to the homegrown wacko theory, but I still think the 2 tinfoil hat theories I post with tongue firmly planted in cheek pale in comparison to the apparently sincere theorizing of one of our own here at FR, that it's anti-gun people behind it, hoping more restrictive gun laws are the result of the rampage.



328 posted on 10/14/2002 9:12:09 AM PDT by dmz
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To: KsSunflower
Also, on the teenager theory...these killings have been at all times of the day, early morning, late morning, early afternoon, night, and on weekdays. Teenagers have a lot more time on the weekends than weekdays.

Of course, I'm not saying it couldn't be a teen or teens, but I would tend to think not.
329 posted on 10/14/2002 9:12:14 AM PDT by KsSunflower
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To: CharacterCounts
The Note: Dear Policeman - Indicative of a juvinile mind. The taunt: I am God - This statement was in response to statements made by the Chief at a press conference. Demonstrates that authority is an issue with the shooter. In my mind also indicative of juvinile thinking.

Look at post 272 and the music lyrics of "Mr. Policeman" and the video "I am God"

330 posted on 10/14/2002 9:12:52 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: KsSunflower
I can assure you, teenagers are not home on the weekends.

Weekends could be the only time these kids have any kind of parental supervision at all...

331 posted on 10/14/2002 9:13:31 AM PDT by Elenya
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To: All
Whether it's Muslim terrorist(s), homegrown or otherwise, or angry, white Pali sympathizers, this "cartoon" from October 12 is very interesting. Is this a sidways way of taking credit, simply a show of support for the shooter(s)...or just a headgame to make us afraid of Yasser terrorists and their enabler, Saddam?

Originally posted by Diogenesis on October 12's "You Gotta See This" thread

Source: Palistinian website Baha Boukhari.net

332 posted on 10/14/2002 9:14:25 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
I still say it is either a sniper/cab driver or a sniper/government courier.
333 posted on 10/14/2002 9:15:20 AM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: mikhailovich
One of the most intriguing clues is the void of killings on weekends.

I'm convinced this has more to do with traffic than religion. More trucks on the road, more confusion. Most of the shootings have been done at heavy traffic times.

334 posted on 10/14/2002 9:16:16 AM PDT by js1138
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To: GeorgeandtheDralgore
I find it hard to believe parents who wouldn't know that their kid has been skipping school and possess a weapon such as is used in these crimes would give a flip what their teenager is doing on the weekend or any other time.

Look at the parents of the Columbine shooters. They didn't even know that bombs were being constructed in their garage. I doubt they would blink an eye if their son and a friend were gone for a few hours on a Saturday or Sunday.
335 posted on 10/14/2002 9:18:14 AM PDT by KsSunflower
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To: PokeyJoe
"Actually, there is a pattern. He only works 5 days a week, therefore, he must have a job on the weekends that requires his absence."

IMO, the pattern is that the shooter does his killing on weekdays...and spends his weekENDS scoping terrain and escape routes.

336 posted on 10/14/2002 9:18:24 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: dmz
One of the kids involved with one of the school shootings had a mom who is one of the anti-self defense MMM's. If it is a teenager or young adult, I wouldn't be surprised that the parents are anti-gun since it already happened.

Contrast that with the fact that two active members of the NRA stopped school shootings.
337 posted on 10/14/2002 9:18:56 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: The Raven
He's not tall enough to reach over the seat to point a gun...
338 posted on 10/14/2002 9:19:01 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: Yehuda
No one is turning him in despite a $500,000 reward.

Great point. I suspect that hundreds have been "turned in" on spec. If I worked at an outfit that had white Isuzu trucks, I'd be eyeballing their bumpers. These things don't fit in dad's home garage.

339 posted on 10/14/2002 9:20:04 AM PDT by js1138
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To: anniegetyourgun
I used to type student papers for college students. They can't spell too well! Grammar is even worse.
340 posted on 10/14/2002 9:20:20 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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To: js1138
I'm convinced this has more to do with traffic than religion.

Yes, but the shooter said "I am God." And, God rested on the sabbath.

341 posted on 10/14/2002 9:20:35 AM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: nicmarlo
but the more you try to say that the kids at the daycare center were "random", the less it appears so. ChickenSh&t McVeigh parked the truck at a very specific site, in front of a first floor (IIRC) day care center. Nothing random there. The rat basta*d targeted them as clearly as the sniper targeted the 13 year old.
342 posted on 10/14/2002 9:21:42 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Chapita
I've been saying all along, on other threads, that I suspect Palestinians who are experienced with Israeli police.

There's a Hamas group right in DC and another in Springfield VA, among a total of 7 terror groups right around DC that are shown on this map. (Not to mention 2 AQ, 2 Hezbollah, and an Islamic Jihad.)

Plenty of likely suspects to choose from...


343 posted on 10/14/2002 9:22:19 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: MadIvan
I thought the experts, using a profiler, were absolutely convinced the sniper was a white male...
344 posted on 10/14/2002 9:23:01 AM PDT by My2Cents
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To: samuel_adams_us
This guys never strikes on the weekends...

We can't be sure of that--the shooting on Sept 14 which is suspected by many to be perhaps the first of these, was on a Saturday evening. The bullet just couldn't be identified. The victim himself is convinced he was the first one in this series.

It does seem strange that the killer was inactive if so, from that date till Oct 2.

345 posted on 10/14/2002 9:26:47 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: aristeides
If you are the sniper and you scout an area before you carry out the shooting why would you need directions. Directions are something you give or take if you are going somewhere you've NOT been before? Several shooters taking direction from a central figure. Do the police say it's the SAME gun or the same TYPE of gun?
346 posted on 10/14/2002 9:27:30 AM PDT by aboutojump
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To: Yehuda
i can't speak for the others you pinged,
but i stated my belief in this being a terr op about 15min after the second shooting.
(would have to search for the thread that sprang up, but it's there somewhere ...)

nothing has come up so far to dissuade me from that belief.

347 posted on 10/14/2002 9:27:38 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: samuel_adams_us
"I still say it is either a sniper/cab driver or a sniper/government courier."

...Or a sniper/delivery man. Yes, it would fit...the guy sure seems to know the roads. Or maybe he just spends all of his free time driving around and familiarizing himself with the routes...

Seems to me that the police MIGHT want to put all the diners on notice...the guy might be a regular in one or more. With the schedule he keeps, he sure isn't eating at home. If it's an anti war type and/or Pali sympathizer, he might avoid McDonalds'

348 posted on 10/14/2002 9:29:26 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: aboutojump
Do the police say it's the SAME gun or the same TYPE of gun?

They say it's the same gun.

The directions allegedly were found at Manassas after the shooting Wednesday night. It was the first sniper shooting there.

349 posted on 10/14/2002 9:29:59 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: wgeorge2001
I think you're right. Someone on FR said he owns a fleet of white box trucks and the only ones they're pulling aside are those driven by hispanics, not the blacks or the whites. Gives you a clue, huh? Swarthy males? Now who do you think THEY might be? We just have to keep praying that they'll soon be caught.
350 posted on 10/14/2002 9:34:55 AM PDT by Marysecretary
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