Kostunica Vows to Bring Down Serbia

AP Online | 10-14-2 | By DUSAN STOJANOVIC

[vooch]

indeed I AM suggesting that DOS engaged in massive vote fraud in Oct 2000 as is easily infered from this article.

[vooch]

Here is something from CNN report on the subject:

Zoran Sami, deputy president of Kostunica's Democratic Party of Serbia, said they filed a complaint to the State Electoral Commission. If the complaint is rejected, he said, they will appeal to high courts, adding that as long as the legal procedure is in place, no new elections can be called.

"For us, these elections were successfully completed and there will be no new elections," Sami told reporters. "We will use all legal means to prove that."

"If the U.S. took two months to determine who is its president, so can Serbia," Sami said, referring to the legal battle between George Bush and Al Gore after the 2000 U.S. presidential elections.

hmmmm........No doubt on Oct 4/5 2000 this very same DOS party official was braying for blood egging the people on with hysterical misinformation...........now he is suddenly preaching calm and reservation.

[smokegenerator]

yes, and he has refused to provide an answer to a game of chess offer. tweedle-dee, tweedle-dum hoppy.

[Tamodaleko]

Slobo's team was tampering with votes regularly. Oct 2000 he got caught and Serbs had it with him.

The present (possible) fraud is an interesting one, and is due answers and legal action.

[smokegenerator]

Suspicions immediately cast as Djindjic is quoted publicly stating he did not want the 50% mandate to be met. Seselj also, collaberation on some part between the two?

[vooch]

interesting position you take..........let me try to summarize

Oct 2002 - Some 120,000 'extra' voters discovered on electoral rolls in Belgrade, a region which has been controled since at least 1997 by anti-SPS (ie DOS) parties
Oct 2000 - The DOS Presidential Candidate (Kostunica) wins election by 10,000 votes, key to Kostunica's election was the overwhelming number of votes cast in the Belgrade region
TamoDaleko's conclusion - therefore, the SPS is guilty of vote tampering

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[Tamodaleko]

>>>>>a region which has been controled since at least 1997 by anti-SPS (ie DOS) parties<<<<<
LOL!
Slobo's team was RIK (Serbian Election Commission) from 1990 to 2000. They were expert thiefs.

The post-Slobo Serbian Gov. head by Djindjich called the new elections earlier than neccessary, did not change
the rules and surely used the same flexibility in vote tampering Slobo had for decade.
Djindjich = little Slobo, right? It was presented to me over here numerous times.

[vooch]

as you well know the Electoral Commission had representatives from every party.

If you'd bother to do some statistical checks on the 12 year history of Serbian elections you'd see that SPS-SRS support has been pretty consistent at some 1.3mm votes both before and after Oct 2000, so your charge that the Electoral Commission committed fraud prior to DOS coming to power is statistically unsound, however what did change was a dramatic increase in anti-SPS votes, espcially in Oct 2000..........

Belgrade has been a long standing anti-SPS region for quite some time........it is therefore safe to infer that the 120,000 fraudulant voters registered on the Belgrade rolls voted for anti-SPS candidates in Oct 2000.......

your charges of SPS voter fraud seem to be based on the premise "all my friends are anti-SPS, therefore everyone MUST be anti-SPS"

[Tamodaleko]

>>>>>your charges of SPS voter fraud seem to be based on the premise "all my friends are anti-SPS, therefore everyone MUST be anti-SPS"<<<<<

Works in Hague

[kosta50]

Political maneuvering in order to win, or to hold on to power, is commonplace among politicians anywhere, and not something eclusively Serbian, Socialist, etc. Voter fruad charges have been plentiful in the last US elections and the 2-month haggling over "hanging chads" in Florida make everyone sick. Charges and counter-charges were flying left and right.

I think Banat's observation that -- exclusing Kosovo -- Serbia has only just over 7 million people, it is unreasonable to claim 6.5 million registered voters (that would be about 90% of the population!). Counting Albanians as "registered voters" is ridiculous. They have foresaken their right to vote by boycotts.

Now we are looking at an enigma as to how many voters could vote to begin with, and then there are some 120,000 non-existent voters in Belgrade, and so on. I think DSS has a legal basis for inquiry.

Tamodaleko, you are perpetuating a popular but unreasonable and naive myth that only Socialist bogeyman, Miloshevich, was cpabale of fraud and that -- by extension -- he is responsable or even guilty for everything that went wrong.

As for Djindjich being "Miloshevich's minnie me," he certainly seems to like controlling the media as much as his "bigger me."

The prevailing mindset in the Balkans is that the government is there to "rule," not to serve. That transcends the left as well as the right, and everyone inbetween.

[kosta50]

The title of the article by AP is obviously worded in such a way as to present Koshtunitsa as the "bad guy." The article itself says he would bring down the pro-Western government of Zoran Djindjich, not bring down Serbia. Apprently, for AP and its political management, Serbia and Djindjich's government is one and the same.

IN a related story, B-92 quotes Koshtunitsa as saying:

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"Let me tell share with you one more thing: just as I saw the end of the Tito's or Milosevic's regime, there is no reason for me not to persist and see the end of Djindjic's regime as well"

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and

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that he would internationalise the problem of the outdated election legislation. He accused the Parliament, Serbian Government and Prime Minister Djindjic of being responsible for the failure of the elections. They will be brought to shame because of this, in the country and abroad

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I doubt that because I doubt Djindjich and his collaborationist DOS scum are capable of shame.

Koshtunitsa also implied that the responsability for incomplete voter lists is indirectly the fault of the Serbian Government. However, B-92 reports that DOS leadership tonight accused Koshtunitsa's party of being directly responsable for them:

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Zoran Djindjic's Democratic Party today stated that the Democratic Party of Serbia's dissatisfaction with irregularities in electoral rolls is inappropriate, because the electoral rolls are in care of municipalities, and the Democratic Party of Serbia is in power in most of the Serbian municipalities

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Whatever happens, the honeymoon is over. Djindjich is more and more likened to Miloshevich, and DOS is ever more assuming the role of the immutable depsot.

[wonders]

Bump for later reading.

[Tamodaleko]

>>>>>Tamodaleko, you are perpetuating a popular but unreasonable and naive myth that only Socialist bogeyman, Miloshevich, was cpabale of fraud and that -- by extension -- he is responsable or even guilty for everything that went wrong.<<<<<

Slobo was at the top of the ladder from 1987 to 2000. He bares most responsibility and then you go down the ladder. Btw, the popular myth that you are perpetuating that everyone else but Serbs are guilty for everything that went wrong to Serbs and Serbia is more naive.

[vooch]

The prevailing mindset...is that the government is there to "rule," not to serve. That transcends the left as well as the right, and everyone inbetween

ain't that what conservatives say about the pols in washington ?

[Ciganina]

Strange thing is that this article appeared under another title: Yugoslav Party to Protest Annulment
By DUSAN STOJANOVIC
Associated Press Writer

This article appeared first and then the one about "toppling Serbia" appeared later...it is a classic case of propaganda...the second version has been altered to put Kostunica in a very bad light. I can post the first "version" if anyone is interested.

[Ciganina]

Excuse me, but I thought that after the protests in 1997, Belgrade was run by an opposition coalition, not today's DOS and Belgrade was ultimately run by the Serbian Renewal Movement, which would be Vuk Draskovic, not DOS, until 5 October.
In addition, some of the Belgrade Locals were still held by SPS, so Belgrade as a whole was never uniformly anything from 1997 until 5 October. Since DOS assumed power in Belgrade after 5 October, nothing has been done with the election lists.

[kosta50]

Slobo was at the top of the ladder from 1987 to 2000. He bares most responsibility and then you go down the ladder

And, in case you didn't read that far back in your history book, the Tito/Kardelj team was on top of the ladder from 1945 to 1980, and his anti-Serb cronies until 1987.

For instance, the Bujan Conference, has nothing to do with the problems in Kosovo? It's all Serb doing, isn't it? Who, I ask you, who the promised Kosovo to Albanians? Ha? Who, Tamodaleko? The Serbs? They must have done it all wrong, didn't they?

And the list goes on...all this is just Serb doing as far as you are concerned, no one has done anything to hurt the dumb Serbs, no one. No, it all started with Miloshevich and everything that happened was all Serb fault, isn't it Tamodaleko? You have some gall my friend, some gall...

I know this may be difficult for you to grasp, but the history of Serbia didn't start in 1987. Even more taxing is the fact that there is something called cause and effect.

Btw, the popular myth that you are perpetuating that everyone else but Serbs are guilty for everything that went wrong to Serbs and Serbia is more naive

You must be doing some extreme selective reading. I would say that of all the freepers who indentify as Serbs, I probably top the list of those who have condemned Serb follies the most.

You have been watching too much Star Wars stuff. The world is not all balck and white, alhtough that's how many would like it to be; it's easier to comprehend that way.

[vooch]

Belgrade was run by anti-SPS members of the 18 party DOS coalition........the faces are the same, but they now use different titles..........

[Hoplite]

My take is that it's a mess, that constitutional reform is in order to remove the 50% stipulation, and that if Djindjic stands in the way of this, he's going to find his Western support evaporating.

[Tamodaleko]

Kosta we can go with history from "kulina bana" if you want to. Or better, from the day those damn Turks brought the Jews in Balkans. I don't care....

>>>>>the Tito/Kardelj team was on top of the ladder from 1945 to 1980, and his anti-Serb cronies until 1987<<<<<
Had it not been for Serbs, Broz would have never made it more than a schlosser.

>>>>>And the list goes on...all this is just Serb doing as far as you are concerned, no one has done anything to hurt the dumb Serbs, no one. No, it all started with Miloshevich and everything that happened was all Serb fault, isn't it Tamodaleko?<<<<<
This is not my position. I'm sorry, you have me wrong.
The latest chance Serbs had to advance their position in Balkans was at the fall of communism. They blew it by putting everything they have on a wrong horse - commie Slobo.
Now we will just have to wait for the next opportunity.