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Zogby Goes Liberal In Florida Race
Rushlimbaugh.com ^ | October 15, 2002 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 10/15/2002 5:29:26 PM PDT by Darling Lili

The pre-election polls for governor in Florida are tightening, according to John Zogby. Jeb Bush has a 48-45 lead over Bill McBride, who narrowly edged out Janet El Reño in the Democrat primary, thanks to, again, a screwed-up Election Day in Broward, Miami-Dade, and Palm Beach counties.

John Zogby Now, folks, Terry McAuliffe was on the Today Show Tuesday, and he revealed that Bill McBride's finance chairman is his father-in-law. That's an interesting little tidbit, which really shows you how incestuous the Democratic Party has become. I, frankly, don't believe this latest Zogby poll.

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1 posted on 10/15/2002 5:29:26 PM PDT by Darling Lili
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To: Darling Lili; summer
Thank you, Lili!

summer, can you ping your Florida list?
2 posted on 10/15/2002 5:31:09 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: Darling Lili
Florida freepers and all GOP people in FL must get out the vote to counter the 'Rat voter fraud machine.
3 posted on 10/15/2002 5:31:50 PM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: redlipstick
Rush talked about Zogby today and acknowledged that he used to have a lot of respect for him, and even had suggested certain poll questions years ago.

Today he decreed that Zogby is now a shill for the democratic party.

There, he said it. Good for Rush.

5 posted on 10/15/2002 5:37:30 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: redlipstick; kinganamort; KatherineHarris4Congress; JulieRNR21; floriduh voter; summer; ...
Red, lemme get my list out.. BTTT for Jeb!
6 posted on 10/15/2002 5:38:36 PM PDT by katherineisgreat
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To: cyncooper; All
This is rush 24/7 stuff.. i can't read it.

Can you summarize it for me? Thanks, kig.

7 posted on 10/15/2002 5:39:57 PM PDT by katherineisgreat
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To: katherineisgreat
Thanks, sweetie!
8 posted on 10/15/2002 5:40:06 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: katherineisgreat
Yes, please tell us why Rush doesn't believe the Zogby poll. Maybe post the key paragraph.
9 posted on 10/15/2002 5:42:43 PM PDT by zook
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To: katherineisgreat
This is rush 24/7 stuff.. i can't read it. Can you summarize it for me? Thanks, kig

I'm afraid I'm not a subscriber either, but I did hear Rush on the radio today and he flatout said that Zogby is now flacking for the dem candidates and is no longer the trustworty pollster of days gone by.

10 posted on 10/15/2002 5:46:07 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: redlipstick
How are things going in Tally?

I read Kh's book... and she alluded to how she's leaving when she wins (I don't think she meant to do that but she has a stream of conciousness.)

As for this whole race with Jeb, I just want McB to go away. The media has pumped him up from nothing... gag gag.

School is okay. _abbey

11 posted on 10/15/2002 5:47:02 PM PDT by katherineisgreat
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To: cyncooper
Rush is behind the curve on this one. Zog has always skewed left.
12 posted on 10/15/2002 5:47:09 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: Darling Lili
Hope someone will be on the lookout for voter fraud. I bet the Dems are going to try a repeat of 2000.
13 posted on 10/15/2002 5:49:14 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: katherineisgreat
" This is rush 24/7 stuff.. i can't read it. Can you summarize it for me?"

I'm sorry... I didn't think of that. Here's the rest of the piece... it's short anyway. (Sorry Rush, but this is for a worthy cause!)

Have you seen Zogby on TV lately analyzing his polls? This is no independent pollster anymore. This is a guy that's shucking and jiving for Democrats on every poll that he reports. I hate to say this, because it was not always this way. Zogby even used to let me put some questions in his polls. Now that he's on the map, it appears to me that Zogby is playing favorites. When a pollster on TV starts sounding like he cares about the result, then I question the poll. It's only a natural thing to pick up on, even with a modicum of intelligence – and of course, I'm blessed with much more than that.

14 posted on 10/15/2002 5:50:04 PM PDT by Darling Lili
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To: katherineisgreat
I don't think KH has been staying in town since the spring, but the house isn't on the market yet!

I need to get her book.
15 posted on 10/15/2002 5:53:17 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: Darling Lili
Republicans better mount a massive get-out-the-vote effort, phone calls, volunteers to take people to the polls, and educate the voters so that no tricks are played to discourage their vote.

I don't believe that this goofy looking McBride could possibly have this big a lead. I might believe it had he done better in the debate. This is disinformation meant to depress Republicans and keep them from the polls. They've tried it before. This is probably only the tip of what is being planned for Florida.

Jen
16 posted on 10/15/2002 5:56:07 PM PDT by IVote2
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To: Darling Lili
Zogby isn't the only pollster showing a close race, within the margin of error. SurveyUSA's latest poll shows Jeb leading McBride 50%-47%, the same margin as Zogby found. Rush started out the 2000 election cycle quoting the Zogby tracking poll every day. When Zogby's numbers began to show Bush trailing Gore, sometimes by large margins, Rush began to trash Zogby, and pushed Battleground as the most accurate poll. (Battleground predicted a 5 point Bush victory; Zogby predicted a 2 point Gore victory). It looks like Rush is repeating his "shoot the messenger" pattern this year.
18 posted on 10/15/2002 6:08:26 PM PDT by Ed_in_LA
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To: Darling Lili
Yep. O'Reilly just did a segment saying that Jeb was in trouble.
19 posted on 10/15/2002 6:10:17 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Darling Lili
Then what are we to make of the Zogby poll that puts Talent up over Carnahan 47-41? I'd like to give that poll reliability, but with Zogby's bias, I wonder about the reliability of this poll, too. If it's unreliable, it may mean that Talent is up by more than six, but it could be that Zogby's results are completely skewed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/768857/posts
20 posted on 10/15/2002 6:11:32 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Darling Lili
Anyone remember the polls before the election in Florida. Up to a week before it looked like a walk for Dubya. I think Zogby was the only one who came close to predicting the virtual tie.
21 posted on 10/15/2002 6:17:44 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: The Federal Farmer
"It's got to be a conspiracy!"

Conspiracy, a bit strong, but perhaps it could be called a conspiracy.

I'm saying that this is an effort to dissuade voters thus helping the Democrats. They have done it for years, as an example, every year since the Republicans have won the House, they get their flunkies out to pontificate on how they are going to the the House back.. blah blah blah... This year the polls must be so bad they gave it up in the Spring.

Democrats cannot win some races legitimately, so they must do everything they can to get the offices by other means. Whatever works is fine with them.

Jen
22 posted on 10/15/2002 6:18:34 PM PDT by IVote2
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To: Ed_in_LA
Survey USA isn't reliable... They show an independent in our Gov race getting 10% and a LP getting 3% when there is no way that could even be anywhere close...
23 posted on 10/15/2002 6:18:41 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: cyncooper
I'm glad that Rush finally figured that out. Most of us knew this over 2 years ago. Zogby cannot be trusted. FOX used to have him on but I haven't seen him in a long time. Maybe I've just missed him.
24 posted on 10/15/2002 6:22:24 PM PDT by BlueAngel
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To: Darling Lili
Well, it's right in line with every other poll that's come out in the race. Drudge says it too. Bush is numero uno vulnerable, keep your head in the sand if you wish.
25 posted on 10/15/2002 6:31:31 PM PDT by Vis Numar
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To: Darling Lili
jeb! is going to win. are any of you freepers in the orlando area?
26 posted on 10/15/2002 6:34:35 PM PDT by Nayt2
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To: The Federal Farmer

LOL..... yep that conspiracy is out there for those that look for it.......

Jeb lost by about 64,000 votes out of over 4 million in 1994 to Chiles (50.8-49.2%), but won by over 300,000 in 1998 over MacKay (55-45%). So he's been close and won by a substaintial number. Who know what this time around will bring but does look to be a close one.

27 posted on 10/15/2002 6:37:12 PM PDT by deport
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To: BlueAngel
I'm glad that Rush finally figured that out.

What was refreshing was to hear how bluntly he stated it.

28 posted on 10/15/2002 6:39:22 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: katherineisgreat
Red, lemme get my list out.. BTTT for Jeb!

Hello again.

Well, I had suspected Jeb was going to have a tough race. I don't recall whether I predicted that to you, but I did predict it.

How's Katherine doing?

29 posted on 10/15/2002 6:40:22 PM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: Darling Lili; KQQL
Here's some info that KQQL has gather over time on the FL Gov. race..... It's close by most polls......


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/769154/posts?page=30#30

DATE BUSH V McBRIDE SURVEY MARGIN OF ERROR
Oct.. 09-11-- 48% v 45% Zogby International 4.5%
Oct.. 08-10-- 50% v 47% SurveyUSA 4%
Oct.. 02-05-- 47% v 42% Insider Advantage 4.5%
Sept. 24-26-- 50% v 44% SPT/Miami Herald 3.5%
Sept. 26-26-- 49% v 48% SurveyUSA 4.10%
Sept. 22-24-- 49% v 43% Mason Dixon 4%
Sept. 17-18-- 49% v 39% Zogby International 4.5%
Sept. 13-15-- 48% v 43% Hamilton & Beattie 4%

30 posted on 10/14/02 8:25 PM Central by KQQL



30 posted on 10/15/2002 6:44:12 PM PDT by deport
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To: The Federal Farmer
Hey, Jeb narrowly lost because of a real conspiracy in 1994. The Rat responsible, along with Gov. Chiles who knew about it, fessed up publicly. A little "lie to the seniors" scam pre-election. They have gotten worse. And, NO, Republicans are not moral equivalents. There is no VRWC, but the Dems. wouldn't win without their army of loyal press, union and special interests - the VLWC - Rats cheating and lying across the nation.
31 posted on 10/15/2002 6:44:53 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: redlipstick; katherineisgreat; Darling Lili
Thank you for the post and the pings. I'm glad that Rush has finally decided to join in the fight here in Fla. (^:
32 posted on 10/15/2002 6:46:33 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I hope he sticks with it.

33 posted on 10/15/2002 6:48:06 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: cyncooper
I'm afraid I'm not a subscriber either, but I did hear Rush on the radio today and he flatout said that Zogby is now flacking for the dem candidates and is no longer the trustworty pollster of days gone by.

Fwiw, I tend to doubt there is much truth to this.

Rush makes his living by "flacking" to a particular audience. No person in the polling business can survive by doing that for very long.

34 posted on 10/15/2002 6:48:34 PM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: Darling Lili
Why do you excerpt the full article, then provide a link that's only good for those who pay Rush $50?

(FWIW, I pay FR more than twice that per year, and get a lot more bang for the buck).

35 posted on 10/15/2002 6:53:35 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Darling Lili
Why do you excerpt the full article, then provide a link that's only good for those who pay Rush $50?

(FWIW, I pay FR more than twice that per year, and get a lot more bang for the buck).

36 posted on 10/15/2002 6:54:05 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
See her #14 where she provides the rest of the commentary for those of us who are not 24/7 subscribers.
37 posted on 10/15/2002 7:00:19 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: katherineisgreat
Bush.....


38 posted on 10/15/2002 7:04:37 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: The Federal Farmer
Normally I am one who is also skeptical of what passes for "conventional wisdom" on FR, but in the case of Zogby I have to give Rush the benefit of the doubt. Mostly because Rush has always been kindly-disposed toward Zogby's polling expertise.

If Rush says that something is rotten in Denmark, I'd take it seriously.

And although I don't agree that the voter fraud in 2000 was enough to give Gore 500,000 more votes--the margin of the popular vote victory he enjoyed over Bush--the fact remains that voter fraud was both staggering and largely ignored or downplayed by the media.

So FReepers and conservatives generally have a good reason to be leery.

39 posted on 10/15/2002 7:06:10 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: deport
RUsh is wrong...Fl race is within 3%
40 posted on 10/15/2002 7:11:40 PM PDT by KQQL
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To: Darling Lili
Take Zogby seriously. He has the inside information on how much voter fraud there is going to be, and he factors that into his poll results.
41 posted on 10/15/2002 7:16:31 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: All
On Hannity last night DICK Morris was quoting all the Zogby polls...he said, that any incumbant that isn't 50% by now, will probably lose on election day.....he gave the Rats..Ark and NJ while the Repubs would pick up Mo...
42 posted on 10/15/2002 7:19:43 PM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: AAABEST
Another.
43 posted on 10/15/2002 7:20:00 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Illbay
I don't agree that the voter fraud in 2000 was enough to give Gore 500,000 more votes

Daley was the campaign chairman for this very reason. They knew well in advance this was the only way they could "win."

I've run across a lot info and here is a summary of what they did in 2000:

"In Madison, Wisconsin, homeless shelters with 20 beds had 200 people vote," In Wisconsin, you can just show up at the polls on election day and vote without being registered by saying that you have just moved into the precinct.
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In some predominantly Democratic precincts in Texas, 125 percent of registered voters cast ballots."
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Democrat precincts in Philadelphia, PA, where 110% of registered voters voted.
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The voter-fraud task force will also examine allegations that the Department of Defense shut down mail call for U.S. military vessels on overseas deployment two weeks before the election, to prevent absentee ballots from being delivered to U.S. Navy personnel or returned by them to their home districts.
Sam Wright, a retired U.S. Navy captain and lawyer who advocates a major overhaul of the military voting system, believes that 200,000 members of the military and their family get systematically disenfranchised.
"That's based on the survey that DoD does after every presidential election," said Wright. "I am now coming to believe that the 200,000 figure is a gross understatement. The DoD survey only shows what military members know."
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In Baltimore, Chicago and Los Angeles, allegations are surfacing of roving bands of voters who were taken in buses from precinct to precinct to vote in place of registered voters who had moved away or who had never voted before.
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A major Democrat supporter spent $200,000 for people to go to homeless shelters and haunts and it is on videotape them paying people with cigarettes to get in the car and go vote for Gore. Paying for votes is illegal.
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At Wisconsin student precinct, also on videotape are students taking multiple ballots from a chaotic poll and bringing them back later to put in ballot box. A poll of 1,000 students at Marquette University found 174 students who said they voted more than once, 95 voted both by absentee ballots from their home state and also in Wisconsin. Forty-one said they voted twice in Wisconsin, 25 said they voted three times in Wisconsin and 13 said they voted four or more times in Wisconsin.
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Democrats obtained absentee ballots for people in mental institutions in New Jersey and had them vote for their candidates. Parents of one patient are outraged at manipulation of their schizophrenic daughter.
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The Pensacola News Journal reports an absentee ballot diversion scheme in Florida, uncovered by the son of a federal judge. Two ballots -- thought to have been lost -- turned up to be counted, but the signatures were forged.
*************************************************** About 200 known cases of people voting both in Florida and New York, [is now up to over 700 known cases.]
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About 500 known cases of felons voting in Florida in a couple counties, with statewide projections around 5000.
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Reports that 5000 noncitizen Haitians voted in Miami-Dade county.
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In Oregon, where all the ballots were mailed in, a survey indicates that 36,000 of the 1,500,000 ballots were signed by someone other than the registered voter. In this state's Presidential race Gore "won" by about 6000 votes.
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The motor voter rules (known officially as the National Voter Registration Act of 1993) went into effect in January 1995, and required states to allow anyone applying for a drivers license to register to vote at the same time. The problem, admitted board of election officials in several Maryland counties, is that no proof of citizenship is required, thus inviting non-citizens to vote by fraud. About the only way the county or state board of election discovers that a non-citizen has made the voter rolls is when they are called for jury duty.
Montgomery County Jury Commissioner Nancy Galvin said her office sends out 10,000 to 12,000 questionnaires every other month to prospective jurors, asking whether they are U.S. citizens. Non-citizens are not allowed to sit on juries. "We've had many of them returned asking to be excused from jury duty because they are not U.S. citizens," she said. However, she said her office "keeps no records" of these replies, and takes no further action.
"In 1996, 11 percent of the people voting in Maryland were non-citizens," believes Maryland Republican activist and statistician Henry C. Marshall who has done a comprehensive analysis of new registrations. Out of the 1,793,991 votes officially cast, that amounted to 197,339 illegal votes.
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WND reports that legal aliens (noncitizens) living in California and Washington received letters and voting documents urging them to vote -- mailed by the Democratic Party and signed by President Bill Clinton Reports of same voter cards going to Haitian noncitizens in Florida also. Edward Nelson, president of U.S. Border Control, believes that the national average for non-citizen voting is about 2-4 percent.
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In the U.S. if you have dual citizenship in another country you cannot vote here if you have voted in the other country. There are many people with dual Israeli-U.S. citizenship and with dual Mexico-U.S. citizenship and it is unknown how many of these voted in the election of Prime Minister Barak a couple years ago or in the election between current Presidente Fox or the PRI party candidate in the recent Mexican election and then also voted here this year.
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Missouri judge ordered St. Louis Democrat precincts polls to remain open for 3 1/2 hours after rest of state's polls closed. They didn't even close after another judge overruled and told them to close. In these precincts the voter turnout was 90% and provided the margin that took the Senate seat from the incumbent Senator and gave it to a dead man and made sure Gebhardt got reelected.
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Palm Beach County elections website (www.pbcelections.org). a Bush supporter discovered 143 precincts in this county where Al Gore received more than 100% of the registered Democrat votes. In those same districts, Bush received an average of around 60% of the registered Republican votes. How can this be possible?
A statistical analysis by Robert Cook, PE, a nuclear engineer with an MS in statistical quality control, purports to show that it wasn't stupid people in Palm Beach County that were responsible for the large number of double-punched ballots.
Rather, he says, "Statistical evidence establishes beyond reasonable doubt that 19,120 presidential race ballots were destroyed by deliberate double-punching ballots in Palm Beach County, FL with a 'second punch' for Al Gore or Pat Buchanan." If you line up a stack of ballots and run a steel probe through the Gore holes, then the Gore votes remain Gore votes, the no votes become Gore votes, and all other votes are invalidated due to double punching.
Cook's analysis "uses simplified but wide-ranging statistical comparisons to establish beyond doubt that Democratic operatives 'stole' by double-punching ballots approximately 15,000 Bush votes in Palm Beach County; and approximately 3,400 additional Buchanan votes."
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News item: Irving Slosberg of Palm Beach pulled a Votomatic mechanism from his car and handed it over to police.
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Claims that 5,832 more votes were tallied in Baltimore City than there were voters who checked in at precincts or cast absentee ballots. They found that keys to voting machines had been duplicated, and that some people had voted more than once. They traced the addresses listed by scores of Baltimore City voters to boarded-up houses and to vacant lots.
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To rig voting machines in New York and Louisiana you only need pliers, a screwdriver, a cigarette lighter and a Q-tip.
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Long time Democrat and Pollster Pat Caddell said on MSNBC: "But I have to tell you, at this point it's hard not to believe that my party, which is the party I've belonged to since my great, great grandfather in my family, has become no longer a party of great principle -- but has been hijacked by a confederacy of gangsters who need to take power by whatever means and whatever canard they can say."
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MY OPINION: This is the tip of the iceberg.

44 posted on 10/15/2002 7:27:09 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: Darling Lili
Interesting that Tampa local channel 8, and the Tribune did a poll yesterday of seven Tampa Bay counties, and Bush leads by 49% to 42 %, with 9 % undecided. By the way the Tampa Bay is McBrides base!
45 posted on 10/15/2002 7:28:38 PM PDT by BOOTSTICK
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To: Nayt2
jeb! is going to win. are any of you freepers in the orlando area?

I am!
In fact, I just got back from being an audience member in the Keller(R) vs. Diaz(D) debate for Congress on WESH (NBC). Keller won this debate hands down and Diaz came across as the fool!

46 posted on 10/15/2002 7:30:22 PM PDT by inflorida
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To: patriciaruth
Do you have a link to the Texas info regarding the voting percentage. I remember it being mentioned somewhere but can't remember where I saw it.... Some small county down in the valley with like only a 100 or so registered voters, if I remember correctly.
47 posted on 10/15/2002 7:36:41 PM PDT by deport
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To: Illbay
And now in South Dakota the Democrats are registering people who don't exist, send in multiple absentee ballots for these nonexistent people, and fade away after the election.
This was probably going on nationwide in 2000.

Link to article on voter registration fraud in South Dakota

48 posted on 10/15/2002 7:39:51 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: deport
This was the article it came from. I don't know if this task force ever really got off the ground with the politics of the closeness in the House and Senate and the desire of the Bush administration not to spiral into an impeachment type hearing that would play badly in the liberal press.
I hearing this year about a Democrat bill for helping voters get their vote counted failed temporarily because they refused to put in measures by Republicans that countered voter fraud.

By Kenneth R. Timmerman
2000 Western Journalism Center

House Speaker Dennis J. Hastert is putting together a task force to investigate allegations of voter fraud in the November 7 election that will be nationwide in scope and will "put people in jail," according to a top member of the epublican leadership.

Hastert initially asked outgoing Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde, R-Ill, to chair the task force, but Hyde says he turned it down. ...

Republicans will be looking at allegations of voter fraud from across the country, not just in Florida. .....

In some predominantly Democratic precincts in Texas, we had 125 percent of registered voters cast ballots." ...

49 posted on 10/15/2002 7:51:48 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
thanks...... I see they were referring to precincts and I was looking for counties.... my bad. It would be interesting to see which precincts they were.... maybe more will surface at some time on this.
50 posted on 10/15/2002 8:01:23 PM PDT by deport
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