U.S. Recon Plane Joins Hunt For Sniper

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[patriciaruth]

I think Ari Fleischer's statement about one bullet was very foolish,

On this we are 100% in agreement.

[veryconernedamerican]

no she was much higher up than an airport screener, the chances are literally a half a million to one on this. unless you are saying 1 out of ten people in wa are fbi counterterror analysts, which would be to use your term absurb. think before you speak. as the security goes out from the pentagon and white house into the field, vulnerability inside the gov increases, this could be a brilliant pre-assasination attempt tactic. you spread out the security forces over a larger area to find this sniper and he back-doors you and knocks off the president or another vip. it also opens the door for a more coordinated attack,we are looking real hard for a panel van around there, what about fuel tankers or street sweepers coming in thing may start to get interesting and it looks like the military is getting prepared.

[jwalsh07]

Sorry, my elevator doesn't stop on your floor. When you hit the mercenary bit, we were goners. Adios Eye.

[nunya bidness]

Will that allow it to 'see' the shot on cloudy/rainy days?

When the VIPER system isn't airborne it can be groundbased or they can deploy one of these PILAR systems:

on the roof of those "popular" Michael's stores and adjacent buildings. Naturally the Pentagon foots the bill and only tells the LEOs (hidden in the manager's office) where to find the guy by looking at a screen like this:

Of course the shooter has to take a shot and someone will probably die.

[UnBlinkingEye]

You think hunting for a possible (?probable) terrorist (dark skinned with a ChiCom AK-74) is subverting the Constitution?

No, I think using the military for police responsibilities is wrong. BTW I have suggested in prior threads that the sniper(s) are likely terrorists.

[veryconernedamerican]

i think it is a given they will attempt to kill bush, it's a bet i would put 5 to 1 odds on and bet the mattress money on.

[Polybius]

The death of 9 Americans is a categorically better than the spectre of the US military enforcing civilian law.

If an al Qaeda sniper is killing Americans on American soil, is that a violation of "civilian law" or an act of war?

When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, did we turn the matter over to the Honolulu Police Department?

[Demidog]

It doesn't matter how I feel DD, it's where the evidence is pointing.

That was my point actually. What evidence exists that would indicate that the sniper was either leading a rebellion (of one?) or invading the US?

If the government suspects terrorists rather than the every day whack job, then Article 1 Section 8 is the Constitutional authority to use the surveillance flights and whats more they remain within the Posse Commitatus Act.

If all that is required is a suspicion then Posse Comitatus is irrelevant to the matter. If, without a shred of evidence, the government can simply claim that the activity is an insurrection or invasion (and can redefine those terms to include the actions of a single nut-case), why would Posse Comitatus even be an issue?

Sorry to disappoint you but there's no grand conspiracy to declare martial law there.

You'll be sure and point to the passage in any of my posts where I claim this is so in order to show you're actually interested in honest debate won't you?

By the way, the shootings sta[rt]ed about the same time the terrorists hit the oil tanker, tried to assassinate embassy personnel in Jakarta and then there's Bali.

If I can find a burglary that started about the same time would that be suspect invasion or insurrection as well?

I ain't buying into the common ordinary day nutcase on this one. Too slick, too committed, victims have nothing in common but their Americanism.

All murders of American citizens would then fit under the category of insurrection or invasion if this is the new standard by which we all use to guide our decisions.

I could be wrong but I don't think so.

It's not a problem if you're wrong. You're not dangerous. When the government is wrong it is extremely dangerous as Vicki Weaver, David Koresh and 83 other men women and children can attest along with the plethora of victims killed by officers executing no-knock raids at the wrong address or at the home of an innocent suspect.

[JHrules]

I believe there are several points that everyone here is skimming but are failing to hit hard center.

1) The CIA has been a major ingredient in almost every US involved foreign conflict. Osama was hired, trained, and funded to protect North Afganistan from the Russians. Why? because that is where the most Opium was farmed. Loas, Thailand, and Vietnam were the top producers before the middle east. Korea was before that. (both those wars started due to CIA operations) So I now find my self hard pressed agreeing with anything they want to do in our good name of America.

2} If The federal government would stop chopping up our right to bare arms and give more rights to citizens to make arrests or otherwise take action to protect each other we would see less crime and our prison system would not be so stressed.

3} The original ideal of our government was that our federal government had limited power and the people could stop unwanted action. Ha ha look at us now. If the federal government spent 1/4 of our military budget on state law enforcement and gave good benifits to police then the ploice would have more loyalty, better equipment, better training, and more employees.

Because the above is true and the local police have poor equipment, heavy gun control, and no clue what they are doing our feds have to jump in as the heroes of the day. "Never fear the FBI is here :) "

[veryconernedamerican]

na i am genus iq, owner of a mortgage company, self made millionaire, from living on the side of the road as a kid

[Demidog]

He has been reported to be carrying a ChiCom version of the AK-74.

And Elvis has been reported to be living in Fresno. That doesn't a fact make. Was there an arms expert who witnessed one of the shootings? Did you know that the SKS and other knock-off AK weapons in semi-auto have been available in the US for decades and prior to some state bans could be purchased for under 100 dollars?

He has been reported to be dark skinned, possibly Hispanic or Middle Eastern.

Possibly a light-skinned black man even?

Gee...you have two witness reports from people who haven't been within 50 feet of him and this is your evidence that he's a terrorist?

[hoosierskypilot]

"or attempt to assasinate bush"

This may be fantasy island here, but, what if a platoon of Muslims armed with semi-autos stormed the White House? I've been there, and it's not like there's a division of soldiers protecting the prez.

[Ronin]

LOL. The Feds that lurk on this board, and you know as well as I do, there are some, are going to WINCE when they read your post.

Good shot!!!

[Demidog]

Ari Fleischer also won't tell you the claim ( that the assasination attempt originated in Iraq ) is completely unsubstantiated and is merely the word of a Kuwaiti official. There is absolutely no corroborating evidence that Iraq ordered or had any involvement in the assasination attempt of Bush.

[Demidog]

no she was much higher up than an airport screener

So what? What was the occupation of other people who were killed? What were the odds that a person in their line of work might be killed?

[Joe Hadenuf]

I hate to beat my own drum, but.....

To: aristeides

I don't know why the don't send up a high altitude reconnaissance aircraft with wide angle, high resolution camera's and have it orbit for a few days. When the next shooting occurs, look at the images....

I am confident, that if this continues, they will do this, if they are not already....

179 posted on 10/11/02 3:42 PM Pacific by Joe Hadenuf [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 151 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

[UnBlinkingEye]

This may be fantasy island here, but, what if a platoon of Muslims armed with semi-autos stormed the White House? I've been there, and it's not like there's a division of soldiers protecting the prez.

I've been there too, but it was forty years ago and I was eight years old. I have no real knowledge, but I suspect that a platoon attacking the White House would face certain death.

[Polybius]

If you lived next door to an Army base and you drove home to find a street gang killing your mother and raping your wife and daughter, would you call the Army base for help because you think the U.S. Army is the appropriate way to respond to crime?

If they were right next door and the Army guys were able to provide the immediate help I needed to protect my family, you're damn right I would.

Or should I just call out to my wife, "Oh, don't be so up tight. Just go with the flow and enjoy the experience. I just called Chief Moose and he will send out a squad car within the next hour or two."

As I asked on a previous post: If an al Qaeda sniper is slaughtering American civilians on American soil, is that a "crime" or an act of war?

When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, should we have turned the matter over to the Honolulu Police Department?

[veryconernedamerican]

the odds of a antiterrorism specialist of any kind getting killed randomly like this? a guess? 1/2 million to one. you would have to take the local population and divide by fbi antiterror staff in the area, it could be 100,000 to one,
very small for sure. targeting mainly gas stations is a interesting clue.

[UnBlinkingEye]

Ari Fleischer also won't tell you the claim ( that the assasination attempt originated in Iraq ) is completely unsubstantiated and is merely the word of a Kuwaiti official. There is absolutely no corroborating evidence that Iraq ordered or had any involvement in the assasination attempt of Bush.

OK, now you've done it, my faith in the truth of what our government tells us has been completely undermined.