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Socialist Students "illegally" helping Wellstone
drudge ^ | 10/16/02

Posted on 10/16/2002 8:42:04 AM PDT by pollwatcher

"Send A Student To Minnesota! DSA’s national electoral project this year is the Minnesota Senate Election. Together with YDS, DSA’s Youth Section, we are mobilizing to bring young people to Minnesota. Minnesota is one of the few states that allow same day voter registration. We will therefore focus our energy on registering young Minnesotans. Wellstone will need a high percentage of young people to register and vote for him if he is to stave off the campaign that Bush, the Republicans and the Greens are waging against him. He is the Right’s Number One electoral target.

Because we are focusing on issue-based voter registration, this electoral work can be supported by tax-deductible contributions. The DSA FUND is soliciting tax-deductible contributions to support this project...."


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: election; fraud; michaeldobbs; minn; registration; socialist; student; voter; wellstone
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They don't outright promote "fraud" in their activities. Maybe they'll be like the weathy Park Ave. matron who went to Milwaukee to hand out ciggy-butts to the homeless.

P.S: Wellstone is a target of the Greens?

1 posted on 10/16/2002 8:42:04 AM PDT by pollwatcher
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To: pollwatcher
Yes. There is a leftwing dingbat (not necessarily farther left, just more stupid) than Wellstone running for senate in MN.
2 posted on 10/16/2002 8:52:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
That is why I am becoming a staunch supporter of the green party. They make a great wedge and I'd hate to see them go away :)

Donate to your local green party whacko today!

3 posted on 10/16/2002 8:56:00 AM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: pollwatcher
"...Because we are focusing on issue-based voter registration, this electoral work can be supported by tax-deductible contributions..."

Help finance illegal, perhaps even treasonous, voter fraud AND write it off your taxes!

This will induce involutary orgasms in liberals.

4 posted on 10/16/2002 8:56:43 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Everyday, I give thanks that Algore is not in the White House (thanks Ralph).
5 posted on 10/16/2002 8:57:21 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: *all
Send Paul a personal note and tell him what you think:
Paul@Wellstone.org

"These are the issues I will focus on in my second AND LAST term serving Minnesota"
Paul "Welfare" Wellstone
US Senator - Welfare Party

6 posted on 10/16/2002 9:02:06 AM PDT by Johnny Gage
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To: pollwatcher
To repeat what I pointed out on the other thread:

Minnesota is one of the few states that allow same day voter registration. We will therefore focus our energy on registering young Minnesotans.

I hold no brief for Socialists, but what they're saying is that they need people from across the country to head up to Minnesota to register voters, not to register as voters.

7 posted on 10/16/2002 9:13:57 AM PDT by stndngathwrthistry
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To: stndngathwrthistry; pollwatcher
I hold no brief for Socialists, but what they're saying is that they need people from across the country to head up to Minnesota to register voters, not to register as voters.

That's what it SAYS. But once the Socialists get there, they'll be able to exploit a loophole in order to vote themselves.

Can I register on election day?

If you miss pre-registering, you can still register on election day at your polling place. You will need proof of your identity and the address where you are living on election day. Use one of these for proof...

The last option is their way in.
8 posted on 10/16/2002 9:45:23 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
This whole kerfuffle is based on what is supposedly on the Socialists' website.

Now, when it turns out that no such thing is no their website, it suddenly doesn't matter what their website says, they must be planning on committing fraud anyway?

Sorry, but that's just wrong.

9 posted on 10/16/2002 10:10:01 AM PDT by stndngathwrthistry
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Donate to your local green party whacko today!

I would, but there are a couple of these green wackos that won the Democratic nomination and have a decent chance at getting a spot on our already commie city planning board.

10 posted on 10/16/2002 10:13:55 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: stndngathwrthistry
The memo was on the DSA website yesterday. Thousands of people have it on their hard drives.
If you watched "Special Report with Brit Hume" you could have seen it on TV.
The DSA is lying to cover its tracks. Don't buy the BS.
11 posted on 10/16/2002 10:21:14 AM PDT by rmlew
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To: stndngathwrthistry
I've been to their site and there is a pop up suggesting voting fraud. If you have pop up blocking software you probibly won't see anything.
12 posted on 10/16/2002 10:22:02 AM PDT by Sefton
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To: Always Right
I guess a wedge is like any tool, you just have to use it when appropriate. Good luck beating them in the general.
13 posted on 10/16/2002 10:23:23 AM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: rmlew
Are you saying they changed it? That it was different than the copy that was twice posted here, and from which I quoted?
14 posted on 10/16/2002 10:26:37 AM PDT by stndngathwrthistry
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To: Sefton
I've been to their site and there is a pop up suggesting voting fraud. If you have pop up blocking software you probibly won't see anything.

I do have a pop-up blocker. I'll turn it off and go back there (if I can get through; Drduge's link seems to have really slowed the DSA server).

15 posted on 10/16/2002 10:27:33 AM PDT by stndngathwrthistry
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To: Timesink
someone who is registered in the precinct where you live to vouch for you at the polling place

Bingo. You can do the same thing in Wisconsin. Talk about potential for fraud...
16 posted on 10/16/2002 10:28:55 AM PDT by July 4th
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To: Sefton
I turned off the popup blocker, went to their site and refreshed several times, and I didn't get a popup.

Maybe they removed it, but I still have to say that I have seen no evidence of intent to commit fraud.

17 posted on 10/16/2002 10:33:04 AM PDT by stndngathwrthistry
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To: pollwatcher
BUMP for a CLOSE RACE in Minnesota - We need to take this senate seat. This is making news on talk radio in Minnesota.

Norm Coleman (R) is an EXCELLENT choice for senate.
18 posted on 10/16/2002 11:25:04 AM PDT by PonyTailGuy
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To: stndngathwrthistry
What does same-day registration have to do with their campaign if this is an honest organizing effort? It shouldn't matter WHEN they register voters. What is the intent of emphasizing the same-day registration law?
19 posted on 10/16/2002 11:27:07 AM PDT by PonyTailGuy
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To: PonyTailGuy
You're making a tremendous logical leap.
20 posted on 10/16/2002 11:32:33 AM PDT by stndngathwrthistry
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To: pollwatcher
What if leftists found a right wing group advertising this:

"Please help us in Texas on election day. We have to LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD for a FAIR vote. And remember, Texas is one of the few states with CONCEALED CARRY laws."

They'd be squealing.

Defeat Wellstone NOW.
21 posted on 10/16/2002 11:34:32 AM PDT by PonyTailGuy
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To: stndngathwrthistry
I thought it was pretty good too.

Same-day registration is a non-sequitur in any context except voter fraud.

Defeat Wellstone.
22 posted on 10/16/2002 11:35:49 AM PDT by PonyTailGuy
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To: stndngathwrthistry
I belive the DSA took the memo off their website.
23 posted on 10/16/2002 2:21:07 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: rmlew
OK. The two posts here quoted what is now on the DSA site as if it was proof of a nefarious plan to thwart the will of the people. That is what I was objecting to. If proof existed at one point, but has since been destroyed, that's another story.
24 posted on 10/16/2002 2:28:48 PM PDT by stndngathwrthistry
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To: PonyTailGuy
Don't quit, by any means - but don't worry too much. The Dems are toast, through and through. November will be a rude awakening for the lefties across the nation.
25 posted on 10/16/2002 2:53:42 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: stndngathwrthistry
I got your link right here:

http://www.dsausa.org/news/minnesota.html

I'm the one who found this and brought this to the attention of the posters on FR, where it was apparently picked up by Newsmax then Fox News and now Drudge. It's for real, all right.

It was originally an automatic POP-UP that came up when one logged onto the actual DSA/USA Home page. This is what happened when I was digging around that site to find/confirm the names of the current US House "Progressive Caucus".

26 posted on 10/16/2002 4:04:10 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: stndngathwrthistry; gore_sux
This FR thread (and post of mine) is where I originally posted the information and YES, it was indeed a POP-UP until they pulled it as such. But the original URL still works.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/767635/posts#22

Also here are other related threads where this topic is discussed on Newsmax and in the local Minneapolis/St. Paul media. Do you really think they would have gone to press on this one unless they couldn't have confirmed the original source themselves?!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/769522/posts
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2002/10/15/184934

27 posted on 10/16/2002 4:13:02 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: pollwatcher; gore_sux
What I want to know is what Wellstone has had to say about this "help" from the DSA-USA!

Is anyone aware of any statements on his part?

28 posted on 10/16/2002 4:17:07 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: pollwatcher; gore_sux
This ya gotta see - from Wellstone's own website. I wonder just what kind of "ingredients" are in the "secret recipe" of those brownies?!

Volunteer View

Sarah Mullins, a volunteer with the Wellstone for Senate campaign since February, took second place in the brownie category at the Minnesota State Fair. Every Wednesday, Sarah treats the staff at campaign headquarters to a batch of her award winning brownies, based on a secret recipewhich she refuses to divulge….and trust us we’ve tried.

29 posted on 10/16/2002 4:21:10 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: PonyTailGuy
Please see/reference my posts above for the background and "history" of how this story unfolded.
30 posted on 10/16/2002 4:22:45 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
This FR thread (and post of mine) is where I originally posted the information and YES, it was indeed a POP-UP until they pulled it as such. But the original URL still works.

OK. I accept the accuracy of your quote.

The only difference I see is that they say "young people" instead of "young Minnesotans" (presumably they made it more explicit in response to the public outcry). Still, you must make a logical leap to the conclusion that they intend to register non-Minnesotans. Nothing in the text justifies that conclusion. The fact that originally, they didn't explicitly say "We're not committing fraud!" is not evidence of fraud.

Anyway, is conspiracy to commit voter fraud the sort of thing they'd publicly announce?

31 posted on 10/16/2002 4:23:29 PM PDT by stndngathwrthistry
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To: rmlew
They only took it off as a pop-up. The URL I provide above (and as it's linked directly off of Drudge's page as well) is still live.
32 posted on 10/16/2002 4:23:56 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: pollwatcher
I think the confusing thing is they keep using the word "young" to describe not only the volunteers, but also the people they want to register. It makes it sound like they are the same people. It's a poorly-written memo, but it's benign.
33 posted on 10/16/2002 4:25:07 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: stndngathwrthistry
Well, apparently what their intentions are is to exploit the loophole. Surely the DSA wouldn't need to pay transportation and housing for "locals"?!!!!

See this other post on the thread I mentioned above:

To: woofer

I live in the socialist republic of Minnesota and I can tell you that hasn't been the case for many years. A-N-Y-B-O-D-Y can walk up to an election judge, tell them they are so-and-so, the judge checks the computer list of registered voters and hands you a ballot card. NO ID, NO CROSS CHECK OF CRENDENTIALS OF ANY KIND. Any rat that keeps track of the old folks that die in the neighborhood they live in will compile a list of likely registered voters that won't be showing up to vote that fall. That's the way it is in metropolitan Minnesota today.

31 posted on 10/12/02 9:26 PM Central by WorkingClassFilth

34 posted on 10/16/2002 4:27:25 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: xm177e2
It would seem they're also trying to exploit "young" college-age students of legal voting age who are willing to drop classes, etc. in order to help out Wellstone. That's their targeted "audience" for this ad/former pop-up, apparently.
35 posted on 10/16/2002 4:29:13 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: stndngathwrthistry
Here's the source code directly from the DSA web site.

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Send A Student To Minnesota!
DSA’s national electoral project this year is the Minnesota Senate Election. Together with YDS, DSA’s Youth Section, we are mobilizing to bring young people to Minnesota. Minnesota is one of the few states that allow same day voter registration. We will therefore focus our energy on registering young Minnesotans. Wellstone will need a high percentage of young people to register and vote for him if he is to stave off the campaign that Bush, the Republicans and the Greens are waging against him. He is the Right’s Number One electoral target.

Because we are focusing on issue-based voter registration, this electoral work can be supported by tax-deductible contributions. The DSA FUND is soliciting tax-deductible contributions to support this project. Contributions are needed to underwrite the costs of transportation as well as providing a stipend for expenses; housing is being donated. You can contribute online with a Master Card or VISA. To contribute, simply choose from one of the amounts listed below. Click on the red dot and you will be taken to a secure server to input your credit card information. Our online order system does not allow us to let you fill in an amount, so if the choices we offer are less than what you want to contribute simply make more than one transaction until you reach the total you want to contribute.


sustainer $125
basic $200
low income/student $50
low income/student $75
low income/student $500

To contribute offline:
Make your check payable to DSA FUND, indicate Minnesota Project on the check or in your letter and return it to DSA FUND, 180 Varick St., 12th fl., NY, NY 10014


36 posted on 10/16/2002 4:30:19 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: pollwatcher
This DemoncRATic sh&t has to stop!!
37 posted on 10/16/2002 4:30:20 PM PDT by timestax
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To: pollwatcher

LINK TO THE TEXT OF THE ORIGINAL DSA ITEM

These dishonest bastards changed the text of the item on their web page! It used to say this:
Together with YDS, DSA’s Youth Section, we are mobilizing to bring young people to Minnesota. Minnesota is one of the few states that allow same day voter registration. We will therefore focus our energy on registering young people. Wellstone will need a high percentage of young people to register and vote for him
Now it says this:
Together with YDS, DSA’s Youth Section, we are mobilizing to bring young people to Minnesota. Minnesota is one of the few states that allow same day voter registration. We will therefore focus our energy on registering young Minnesotans. Wellstone will need a high percentage of young people to register and vote for him
If it wasn't for FR, the text of the original would be LOST, and the DSA could get away with being a band of dishonest pig-$^#@%#$ers.
38 posted on 10/16/2002 4:30:51 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: stndngathwrthistry
"If proof existed at one point, but has since been destroyed, that's another story"

That's what happened, but the proof was perserved here at FR. See my post above.

39 posted on 10/16/2002 4:32:49 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: rmlew
See my post above, the text of the original was preserved here on FR.
40 posted on 10/16/2002 4:33:30 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
It also doesn't say in the first memo they were bringing people to MN to REGISTER voters, they were being brought up to VOTE.
41 posted on 10/16/2002 4:34:58 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
This was the original post (mine) from the day before (note the date of my post - linked above).

To: PJ-Comix

Not only that but the Democratic Socialists of America have plans to ship in people to register the ..... dead!

Here's the text from the pop-up that happens when one logs onto their site (I'll save you the trouble and spare them the "hit"! ;-):

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Send A Student To Minnesota!

DSA’s national electoral project this year is the Minnesota Senate Election. Together with YDS, DSA’s Youth Section, we are mobilizing to bring young people to Minnesota. Minnesota is one of the few states that allow same day voter registration. We will therefore focus our energy on registering young people. Wellstone will need a high percentage of young people to register and vote for him if he is to stave off the campaign that Bush, the Republicans and the Greens are waging against him. He is the Right’s Number One electoral target.

Because we are focusing on issue-based voter registration, this electoral work can be supported by tax-deductible contributions. The DSA FUND is soliciting tax-deductible contributions to support this project. Contributions are needed to underwrite the costs of transportation as well as providing a stipend for expenses; housing is being donated. You can contribute online with a Master Card or VISA. To contribute, simply choose from one of the amounts listed below. Click on the red dot and you will be taken to a secure server to input your credit card information. Our online order system does not allow us to let you fill in an amount, so if the choices we offer are less than what you want to contribute simply make more than one transaction until you reach the total you want to contribute.

$125
$200
$50
$75
$500

To contribute offline:
Make your check payable to DSA FUND, indicate Minnesota Project on the check or in your letter and return it to DSA FUND, 180 Varick St., 12th fl., NY, NY 10014

22 posted on 10/12/02 2:46 AM Central by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

42 posted on 10/16/2002 4:37:12 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: xm177e2
I also printed out the original text, since I expected them alter it once people realized what was happening.

They altered the text and are using young Minnesotans in an effort to appear legal.

Unfortunatly, that still does not get them off the hook, since the original intent was to import people from other States and turn them into instant Minnesota citizens for the purpose of voting.

43 posted on 10/16/2002 4:38:05 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: xm177e2
I.e. My post was two days earlier than the one you quoted above in Post #38. Just to clarify things :-).
44 posted on 10/16/2002 4:38:50 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace; Ditto
My last post on this subject, since I am now merely repeating myself.

I've read the DSA page several times. My point is that what that page is talking about is bringing people to Minnesota to conduct a late voter registration drive. Nothing on the page justifies the conclusion that the people being broght to Minnesota are going to vote themselves. I know everyone's het up over this, but it just isn't there.

And if they did intend to bring people to Minnesota to vote illegally, I don't think they'd publish a web page about it, much less suggest that donations are tax-deductible. Even Socialists aren't that stupid.

45 posted on 10/16/2002 4:40:45 PM PDT by stndngathwrthistry
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To: stndngathwrthistry
Also found on another related thread:

To: Mensch

Most people don't realize how easy it is to commit voter fraud in Minnesota. Not only is same-day registration possible, the only identification you need is for another registered voter to "vouch" that you are a legal voter at the polling place.

A Democrat organization like the one above could shuttle the same voters around, allowing them to vote several times at several different polling places. All they'd need is a single previously registered voter at each polling station to do the "vouching."

There have been rumors in the past that welfare advocacy groups have pulled this very trick in Saint Paul in previous elections.

28 posted on 10/16/02 8:13 AM Central by Snuffington

46 posted on 10/16/2002 4:41:59 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: timestax
Their sh!t isn't going to stop.
We simply have to recognize what the media will never admit, and the NJ and FL Supreme Courts are willing to abet:
The democrat party is little more than organized crime, just with a new "front" operation.
47 posted on 10/16/2002 4:42:02 PM PDT by TheGrimReaper
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To: stndngathwrthistry
Stupid? No. Sly, devious? Yes.
48 posted on 10/16/2002 4:42:39 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: stndngathwrthistry
Send A Student To Minnesota!

Ok, if you say so......

49 posted on 10/16/2002 4:44:07 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: stndngathwrthistry
Even Socialists aren't that stupid. 45 posted on 10/16/02 4:40 PM Pacific by stndngathwrthistry [

ha ha, want to bet. Also, always a first time!!

50 posted on 10/16/2002 4:44:13 PM PDT by timestax
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