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Socialist Students "illegally" helping Wellstone
drudge ^ | 10/16/02

Posted on 10/16/2002 8:42:04 AM PDT by pollwatcher

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To: xm177e2
Nice job! This was all over the local talk radio today. The Secretary of State and the US Attorney for Minnesota are aware of this and are watching closely. (Thanks to some very active Minnesota FReepers)!

Note though, until there is actual fraud committed they cannot act. The US Attorney told the radio host to check back in November after the election and he'd be happy to take the call.

I want to know what would stop these "young people" from voting absentee in Iowa or Wisconsin or South Dakota and then coming into MN and voting again.

One person can vouch for as many new unregistered voters as they wish. No limits. One person could vouch for 500 people if they wanted to. The poll worker is not allowed to question them if they sign the card stating that they are vouching for the persons residency.

This is nuts!
51 posted on 10/16/2002 4:44:33 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Thank you for saving that and re-posting it. FReepers are the best!
52 posted on 10/16/2002 4:46:51 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: xm177e2
OK, this will be my last post on this subject. Really! I mean it!

It also doesn't say in the first memo they were bringing people to MN to REGISTER voters, they were being brought up to VOTE.

But it doesn't say that.

I assume this is what you're referring to: "Together with YDS, DSA’s Youth Section, we are mobilizing to bring young people to Minnesota. Minnesota is one of the few states that allow same day voter registration. We will therefore focus our energy on registering young people. Wellstone will need a high percentage of young people to register and vote for him...."

You are assuming that the young people being brought up to Minnesota are the same young people being registered. But that is an assumption. Indeed, given your theory that they are bringing in outside voters, I don't even understand what the word "percentage" would mean.

And why would they write this: "Because we are focusing on issue-based voter registration, this electoral work can be supported by tax-deductible contributions."

Clearly these people aren't too worried about a possible FEC or IRS investigation of this "issue-based voter registration," even with a Republican in the White House.

53 posted on 10/16/2002 4:48:53 PM PDT by stndngathwrthistry
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To: Uncle Bill; Mr_Magoo; Squantos; Boyd; Wallaby; T'wit; MamaLucci; RedWing9; diotima; Alamo-Girl; ...
You could say I've been a little "busy" over the last few days following up on this little "story" :-). (See my posts above for the sequence of events.)
54 posted on 10/16/2002 4:58:21 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: PJ-Comix
Flag for the info that this story is now discussed on Drudge.
55 posted on 10/16/2002 4:59:14 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: terilyn
Please elaborate on the nature of the MN-area talk show discussions! What's the general sense of how people are reacting up there?

PS: You're welcome. As I mentioned to Gore_Sux, I'm a big believer in shining the "light" on the cockroach "activists" who play dirty pool.

56 posted on 10/16/2002 5:01:15 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Local station AM1500 KSTP had this on their morning show, they had just gotten wind of it and didn't have a lot of details.

Then Rush was all over it and finally, during the early afternoon drive time, Joe Soucheray spent nearly his entire show on it.

Had the MN Sec of State, Mary Kiffmeyer, on and she said that her office had been flooded with calls and emails, (Thank you MN FReepers), and that they were very aware of the problem. But, since no fraud had yet been committed they couldn't DO anything but watch closely.

Then the MN US Attorney Tom Heffelfinger called in. He said that his office had been made aware of it by both the Sec of State's office and by calls, emails. He said that he couldn't comment on an ongoing investigation, nor could he verify that there was an investigation, but that they would be monitoring the situation and invited Joe to call him back in November after the election and said he would be "Happy to take his call" then.

Then a MN State Rep called in, (sorry - didn't catch her name), and said that there was a bill before the state legislature last year that would have limited the vouching for new voters program to ten per voucher, but it was shot down and never even got to a vote. Also a bill to require picture ID for people registering the first time on election day and that also never made it to a vote. She encouraged people to call their Reps. and demand that they do something about this.

Joe also was hilarious, making fun of the DSA and thier communist leanings, (had a 150 year candle ceremony for the communist party's birthday), called GWB more dangerous to the world than Saddam Hussein...he let them have it. The hilarious part where he lost it was the fact that these socialists would actually have evil capitalist credit cards with which to donate to this project!

He then publicly called on Wellstone to denounce this and declare that he doesn't support any of their beliefs including the GWB/Saddam analogy, and to let these "Young people" know that if they did follow through they would be committing fraud, a felony. Said he had a responsibility to denounce this and let them know what it was they were being encouraged to do. He also acknowledged that it would probably be a cold day you know where before Wellstone actually stepped up and did this.

I'm sure the evening show, (Jason Lewis - Minnesota's Mr. Right), is all over this right now. I get horrible reception in my house however, so if anybody else is listening I'd love to hear what he had to say on this.
57 posted on 10/16/2002 5:16:31 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: Timesink
someone who is registered in the precinct where you live to vouch for you at the polling place

FRAUD ALERT! FRAUD ALERT!

58 posted on 10/16/2002 6:01:21 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
I had a feeling that your reply to my post would make waves. GOOD FIND!!! BTW, I bet the "Young People" they ship in to Minnesota will be the same type of crew that rioted in Seattle. The funds asked for in the requested donations is to pay for their "fun" trip and semi-vacation to Minnesota so that they can commit voter fraud on election day. BTW, any word on whether this story has been picked up on the Minnesota media?
59 posted on 10/16/2002 6:11:59 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: terilyn
WOW! I'm feeling pretty good right now. I didn't have anything directly to do with catching the flagrant attempt at voting fraud but because the info was in a reply by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace to my thread post I feel like I was sort of the indirect catalyst for exposing this scandal.
60 posted on 10/16/2002 6:17:14 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: stndngathwrthistry
oh perhaps they're not.(committing fraude that is)

they're just paying young people to come to minnesota to register young minnesotans, and stay here over the day of voting (or at least it sounds that way with te same day registration thing) and they're having people give these young people places to stay (gives them an address and a person to vouch for them) , I guess there are no young democrats in MN to do this job of getting young people in MN to register to vote and vote.
61 posted on 10/16/2002 6:43:05 PM PDT by tickles
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To: PJ-Comix; terilyn; gore_sux
This is the link to the FoxNews story on this topic:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,65849,00.html

Tax Deductible $ to Get Out the Vote The Democratic Socialists of America, which bill themselves as the largest socialist organization in the country, is raising tax-deductible money to send young people in the state of Minnesota where they can take advantage of same-day registration to vote for liberal incumbent Paul Wellstone. Under the heading, "Send a student to Minnesota ," the group's Web site says, "Wellstone will need a high percentage of young people to register and vote for him." But it adds, "Because we are focusing on issue-based voter registration, this electoral work can be supported by tax-deductible contributions."

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Here's Rush Limbaugh's Column on this topic (love Rush's headline! Woo hoo!):

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_101602/content/stack_b.guest.html

Socialists Rally For Senator Welfare, Fraud Abounds

October 16, 2002

Socialists are letting no law stand in their way in their effort to re-elect ulta[sic]-liberal, comfort-Saddam Senator Paul Welfare – affectionately known by President Bush as "Pablo." They're so worried about his poll numbers, that they began a secret campaign to bus liberal college students in to register to vote that day!

These are literally socialists, folks. These are the same people who see the horrors of the USSR, National Socialism and Mao, and think that if geniuses like them were in charge, they'd have done better. The Democratic Socialists of America (one of the biggest oxymorons I've ever heard) say that their plan to send some two dozen young people to Minnesota this month to help Wellstone "has been misinterpreted."

Yet their intentions couldn't be clearer: to break the law. On their website they write, "We are mobilizing to bring young people in Minnesota. Minnesota is one of the few states that allows same-day voter registration. We will, therefore, focus our energy on registering young people. Wellstone will need a high percentage of young people to register and vote for him."

I rolled our instant-classic EIB parody of the Torricelli-McAuliffe Tours in honor of this story and the one on voter fraud in South Dakota. These guys are in a panic. Everything they've tried has failed. They have no ideas. They can't give a single reason to vote for them – only reasons to vote against Republicans. Now they've been forced to join up with the president because he's so respected and right on.

(See: Tom & Dick Following Carville Memo Daily). They're even mouthing the language of tax cuts! This is uncanny to me. They're really off their game.

Listen to Rush...
(...discuss the desperate state of the Democratic Party in America today)

62 posted on 10/16/2002 6:44:33 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: stndngathwrthistry
1. Why do they need to "SEND" "STUDENTS" to Minnesota? Why can't they recruit students and/or non-students WITHIN the state for a registration-help effort? Why do they have to be students? What help do people need with registering in Minnesota? You just have to show up for God's sake!

2. Why did they change "REGISTER YOUNG PEOPLE"(in the original text) to "REGISTER YOUNG MINNESOTANS" in the ad?

3. "We are mobilizing to bring young people to Minnesota..."
"We will therefore focus our energy on registering young people..."
"Wellstone will need a high percentage of young people to register and vote for him..."

BRING-REGISTER-VOTE...not much of a leap for me

4. How can the DSA advocate a vote for Paul Wellstone if they are a tax exempt organization?

5. Why should it matter that Minnesota is a same-day registration state unless they were going to abuse same day registration and our non-ID vouching system? Why can't they help people register in states without same day registration?

63 posted on 10/16/2002 6:47:27 PM PDT by gore_sux
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
I think a speical session is in order (or are they still up there) the vouch thing needs to be changed so that the voucher signs an afidavite and then if the vouchee is found to be registered and have voted absentee in another state they both get prosecuted.
64 posted on 10/16/2002 6:50:18 PM PDT by tickles
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Thanks for the links! I was telling somebody at work about this today. He's a Wellstone supporter and we've had some interesting discussions.

He said he didn't believe it and that some obscure right-wing publications were the only ones reporting it. I linked him to the St. Paul Pioneer Press story and he still wouldn't believe it...
65 posted on 10/16/2002 6:50:29 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: terilyn
This is all VERY good news, especially given the swing in the polling in favor of Wellstone after the Congressional vote on the Iraq resolution. Now let's keep the voters of MN talking (and thinking!!!!) about this until Election Day! :-)

In the meantime, round up as many family members and friends who can spare the day off on Election Day to get pollwatcher credentials from the Coleman campaign so they can get out and monitor the precincts for fraud and electioneering. Make sure to bring cell phones and even a video camera which I used in the 1998 election to tape a DEM "activist" handing out leaflets/voting cards to old people just outside an area precinct. Do it!

66 posted on 10/16/2002 6:51:02 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: PJ-Comix
Well those of us that have had to suffer through 12 years of Wellstone appreciate your accidental nice work!

Thank you ;)
67 posted on 10/16/2002 6:54:03 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: terilyn
Let me see what else I can find to help you educate your co-worker DEM "lemmings" :-).

Besides, what kind of argument is "only right-wing publications were reporting it"? Even if they were, does that mean the FACT that the DSA information doesn't exist? Oh puh-leeeezzzzzzzze!

68 posted on 10/16/2002 6:56:28 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Thanks for the links! I was looking for that Fox News transcript!
69 posted on 10/16/2002 6:57:03 PM PDT by gore_sux
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To: terilyn
OK, from the discussion board at the StarTribune.com site talking about the 2002 Election comes this forum (I'm quoting the relevant posts here):

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Chris Berg - 09:16pm Oct 15, 2002 CST (#2076 of 2129)
You can never be TOO cynical! - Scott Adams

Lewis at least tackles interesting topics. Cole just babbles for two hours. Lewis' big problem, is that he would sacrifice electability for ideology. He claims there's no such thing as a "centrist," yet it is those swing votes that get people elected.

Lewis brought up an interesting point today regarding the senate ads on Social Security. He mentioned that privatization is simply another choice you might have (you also might choose to continue with your SS withholding as it is). He then went on to say that the Democrats don't want this, because once people can make choices independent of the government, the Dems, who base their ideology on that of dependence, would have nothing to offer. I tend to agree.

He also mentioned an interesting story related to voter fraud and Wellstone. I'll let someone else who may have listened post that one.

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Rip Anderson - 04:20am Oct 16, 2002 CST (#2089 of 2129)

"He also mentioned an interesting story related to voter fraud and Wellstone. I'll let someone else who may have listened post that one." -- Chris

That the National Socialist Democratic Party (or something like that) endorsed Wellstone, and that they were paying to send a lot of young socialist democrats to Minnesota for the election to "help register voters" so they could vote for Wellstone.

Lewis speculated they were really coming to make use of the lax same-day registration rules to vote multiple times for Wellstone.
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Chris Berg - 05:28pm Oct 16, 2002 CST (#2124 of 2129)
You can never be TOO cynical! - Scott Adams

Lewis speculated they were really coming to make use of the lax same-day registration rules to vote multiple times for Wellstone.

Soucheray had both Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer and US Attorney Tom Heffelfinger on his show today discussing it. Apparently, though Heffelfinger couldn't disclose much, there is an investigation into the possibility of these people coming into the state to fraudulently vote. The problem, according to Kiffmeyer, is that the crime has to be committed in order to prosecute.

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Mark Farkus - 05:50pm Oct 16, 2002 CST (#2125 of 2129)
"Live free or die"

The problem, according to Kiffmeyer, is that the crime has to be committed in order to prosecute.

Sounds like they've already committed at least one federal crime: falsifying voter registration information.

If they signed a card which said they live in voting district A when they actually live in voting district B, I believe that is a federal offense. They don't have to actually VOTE to be prosecuted for election fraud.

I believe the law pretty much implies that falsifying voter registration (with the intent to commit election fraud) carries the same weight as actually committing said fraud. At least that's the way I understand it.

70 posted on 10/16/2002 7:09:29 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: stndngathwrthistry
"...what they're saying is that they need people from across the country to head up to Minnesota to register voters...."

Why would this organization wait until election day to import people to register voters ? This doesn't pass the make sense test.

And where would they find people to register? street corners? nursing homes? This doesn't smell right, no matter which reading you give it.

71 posted on 10/16/2002 7:10:22 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: pollwatcher
Thanks for the Memories of the New York Matron, from the 2000 presidential election: I'd almost forgotten the details:

http://secure.mediaresearch.org/news/cyberalert/2000/cyb20001114.asp

" "The ABC affiliate in Milwaukee caught Gore campaign workers handing out cigarettes to homeless residents after they had been brought to a polling place to vote."

Connie Milstein: "I’m here representing the Gore-Lieberman campaign. I’m chairman of the Major Supporters Committee."

Ross: "Connie Milstein, a major Gore supporter and the wife of a New York multimillionaire, told the station she had been asked by the Gore campaign to come to Milwaukee."

Milstein: "Wisconsin is a very key state for the Democratic Party."

Ross: "The district attorney says there is evidence that the Democratic group went to at least three homeless shelters where residents said cigarettes were used to get them to vote. Willie Jackson voted for the first time."..

Ross caught Milstein in Manhattan: "Today outside her Park Avenue home in New York, Mrs. Milstein said she had done nothing wrong."

Milstein: "Brian, let me just say one thing. I am an ordinary Park Avenue matron."

Ross: "Why were you in Milwaukee?"

Milstein: "I was there as an ordinary campaign worker."

Ross concluded: "Mrs. Milstein would not say who sent her to Milwaukee, and the Democratic Party maintains she went to the homeless shelters on her own."

72 posted on 10/16/2002 7:20:09 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Great, and THANK YOU! I'll be sure to pass it along, for "Educational purposes" of course :)
73 posted on 10/16/2002 7:21:29 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: terilyn
Of course, logic and FACTS never seem to get through to the typical lemming, "feeling" DEM voter.

I'm going to continue to try to stay on top of this one as much as possible and will keep you "bumped" if I come up with anything more.

74 posted on 10/16/2002 7:32:31 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: terilyn
If the Republican Party had a clue (which they don't), they would respond to this with a 'saturation' series of radio/television PSA's reminding the public of the harsh penalties associated with voter fraud, which is a felony. A little discouragement wouldn't hurt...



75 posted on 10/16/2002 7:34:19 PM PDT by who knows what evil?
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To: terilyn
http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/3370493.html

To-do over socialist vote drive is teapot tempest, 2 sides say
Dane Smith
Star Tribune

Published Oct 17, 2002

A conservative advocacy group has raised the specter of socialist activists from around the nation crossing the border into Minnesota to take advantage of Minnesota's liberal voting laws and helping reelect U.S. Sen. Paul Wellstone.

But leaders of both the group crying foul and the socialist group accused of planning that effort described the controversy Wednesday as a tempest in a teapot.

"My tongue was placed firmly in my cheek," said David Strom, head of the Taxpayers League of Minnesota, a group funded largely by donors to conservative Republican candidates and causes. "There are so few socialists left that they could meet in a phone booth."

Frank Llewellyn, the national director of New York-city based Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), said his group's promotion of a voter-registration drive was misconstrued by the Taxpayers League and turned into a "new sophisticated form of red-baiting."

At issue is an alarm sounded earlier this week by the league, drawing attention to a Web site advisory by the DSA that described the reelection of Wellstone as its top priority.

"We are mobilizing to bring young people to Minnesota. Minnesota is one of the few states that allow same-day voter registration," the site said.

Those words implied that members of the group were being encouraged to come in and vote illegally, Strom said. His release called it "one of the most transparent attempts to steal an election since the Daley machine ran Chicago politics." But Strom left the next sentence in the advisory off his press release: "We will therefore focus our energy on registering young people."

Llewellyn said that his group hopes to send 10 or 20 people to the state late this month to help organize support for Wellstone and that none will actually try to vote. He said his group has about 8,000 members nationwide and about 100 in Minnesota.

Jim Farrell, a spokesman for the Wellstone campaign, said Wellstone didn't know anything about the group and does not approve of any attempts to register illegally.

Farrell said the league managed to fool talk-radio hosts into talking up the story on stations in the Twin Cities "without getting its facts straight."

The brouhaha also was the subject of an item on the Drudge Report Web site.

Strom said that "even if they themselves [the socialist group] are not plotting some grand voter fraud," the league only wanted to point out that the "laws that we have make it easy to commit fraud."

Minnesota, which always ranks high in voter turnout, generally is considered one of the easiest states in which to vote. Voters must reside in the state for at least 20 days before the election, a deadline that passed on the day the league issued its press release.

If not preregistered, qualified people can vote if they show proof of their residency at the polling place or have a registered voter from that precinct vouch for their residency.

-- Dane Smith is at rdsmith@startribune.com.

76 posted on 10/16/2002 7:35:13 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: gore_sux
I had to dig a bit to find it :-).... but then again, I'm good at this kind of research.
77 posted on 10/16/2002 7:36:13 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Timesink
Hmmmm? When Rush was discussing this today, I wondered if the "young people" were going to claim "student" status in order to register to vote! It would be fairly simple to manufacture school documents, and supply people to vouch for your student status.

These people are so desperate to keep their power, it's really sad!
78 posted on 10/16/2002 7:49:35 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: pollwatcher
Maybe the "Redstar" will look into this, and pigs will fly.
79 posted on 10/16/2002 7:54:39 PM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: KSCITYBOY; gore_sux; terilyn; PJ-Comix
http://www.kstp.com/article/view/49213/

The Eyewitness News Truth Test strikes again!
Publishing date: 10-16-2002 12:00 AM

The candidates can run but they can't hide. From the truth that is... Another controversial campaign ad gets put to the truth test. Tonight at ten on Channel 5 Eyewitness News find out what ad gets tested and whether or not it's telling the truth.

(KSTP is Minneapolis/St. Paul's Channel 5 - ABC affiliate station.)

80 posted on 10/16/2002 8:11:32 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: gore_sux
Excellent questions! Send them to Mary Kiffmeyer and to AM1500 morning show, Joe & Jason. They've been all over this all day.

If we let up on it now they'll drop it. I'm sick of playing nice.
81 posted on 10/16/2002 8:18:08 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Thanks for the heads up!
82 posted on 10/16/2002 8:30:09 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: terilyn; gore_sux
What these "newsies" don't seem to "get" is the fact that the DSA is directly affiliated with the PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS of the CONGRESS of the USA.


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Patsy Mink
(MEMBER, HAWAII-02)
2210 RHOB 225-4906 WEBSITE
Jerry Nadler
(MEMBER, NEW YORK-08)
2334 RHOB 225-5635 WEBSITE
Eleanor Holmes Norton
(MEMBER, D.C.)
2136 RHOB 225-8050 WEBSITE
John Olver
(MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-01)
1027 LHOB 225-5335 WEBSITE
Ed Pastor
(MEMBER, ARIZONA-02)
2465 RHOB 225-4065 WEBSITE
Donald Payne
(MEMBER, NEW JERSEY-10)
2209 RHOB 225-3436 WEBSITE
Nancy Pelosi
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-08)
2457 RHOB 225-4965 WEBSITE
Bobby Rush
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-01)
2416 RHOB 225-4372 WEBSITE
Jan Schakowsky
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-09)
515 CHOB 225-2111 WEBSITE
Jose Serrano
(MEMBER, NEW YORK-16)
2342 RHOB 225-4361 WEBSITE
Hilda Solis
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-31)
1641 LHOB 225-5464 WEBSITE
Pete Stark
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-13)
239 CHOB 225-5065 WEBSITE
Bennie Thompson
(MEMBER, MISSISSIPPI-02)
2432 RHOB 225-5876 WEBSITE
John Tierney
(MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-06)
120 CHOB 225-8020 WEBSITE
Tom Udall
(MEMBER, NEW MEXICO-03)
502 CHOB 225-6190 WEBSITE
Nydia Velazquez
(MEMBER, NEW YORK-12)
2241 RHOB 225-2361 WEBSITE
Maxine Waters
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-35)
2344 RHOB 225-2201 WEBSITE
Diane Watson
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-32)
2413 RHOB 225-7084 WEBSITE
Mel Watt
(MEMBER, NORTH CAROLINA-12)
2236 RHOB 225-1510 WEBSITE
Henry Waxman
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Congressional Progressive Caucus

83 posted on 10/16/2002 8:34:09 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: terilyn; gore_sux
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/politics/4285132.htm

VOTE 2002: Taxpayers League says group backs voter fraud
BY TOM WEBB
Washington Correspondent

WASHINGTON — It's all in how you interpret the words: Is it a little campaign help or "one of the most transparent attempts to steal an election since the Daley machine ran Chicago politics"?

The national director of the Democratic Socialists of America says a press release about the group sending as many as two dozen young people to Minnesota this month to help the campaign of Sen. Paul Wellstone, D-Minn., has been misinterpreted.

The group says it intends to register young Minnesotans to vote, and to get them involved in the political process. Here's how it describes the Minnesota project on its Web site at www.dsausa.org/dsa.html:

"…We are mobilizing to bring young people to Minnesota. Minnesota is one of the few states that allow same-day voter registration. We will therefore focus our energy on registering young people. Wellstone will need a high percentage of young people to register and vote for him…"

But to the Taxpayer's League of Minnesota, those words suggest possible voter fraud. The league lashed out Monday at what it interpreted as an effort to import non-Minnesota students to falsely register as Minnesota voters. A league statement called it "one of the most transparent attempts to steal an election since the Daley machine ran Chicago politics."

"That's pretty ludicrous," replied Frank Llewellyn, national director of the Democratic Socialists of America. "We don't do illegal things. … We're not asking people from outside Minnesota to move to Minnesota, change their registration and vote. We're encouraging people who already live in Minnesota to register and vote."

Llewellyn said he wrote the Web site blurb, and scoffed at the Taxpayers League interpretation of a voter-registration effort. "I'm not used to having people deconstruct every word for the worst possible interpretation," he said.

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Tom Webb can be reached at twebb@krwashington.com or (202) 383-6049.

84 posted on 10/16/2002 8:42:43 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: terilyn; gore_sux; PJ-Comix; Uncle Bill
Hey - check this one out. I figured the above-quoted articles kept mentioning the "Taxpayers League" so I thought I'd go to their website to see what they had to say, and sure enough, look what turned up:

http://www.taxpayersleague.org/issues/pr_display.php?rid=44

Democratic Socialists of America Plan to Steal the Minnesota Senate Election

“Send a Student to Minnesota” Program a transparent attempt to import voters to Minnesota

Author: David Strom
October 14, 2002

763-249-5952
651-503-7443

PLYMOUTH—A visit to the website of the Democratic Socialists of America (www.dsausa.org) will treat you to one of the most transparent attempts to steal an election since the Daley machine ran Chicago politics.

A popup ad on the site invites visitors to contribute to the “send a student to Minnesota” program—the DSA’s “national electoral project” for the year. The program is intended to “bring young people to Minnesota” because “Minnesota is one of the few states that allow same day voter registration.” Wellstone, the Democratic Socialists explain, “will need a high percentage of young people to register and vote for him if he is to stave off the campaign that Bush, the Republicans and the Greens are waging against him.”

“I have heard of dead people voting in elections,” quipped David Strom, “but at least they were residents of the state in which they voted!” Strom is the Legislative Director of the Taxpayers League of Minnesota.

The “Send a Student to Minnesota” plan is being funded by the DSA Fund, a tax-deductible organization supposedly prohibited from politicking.

“This is a transparent attempt to steal this election by using Minnesota’s liberal election laws to register out-of-state students to vote for Wellstone.

“What a novel strategy—if you can’t win with eligible voters, import some from states where their votes aren’t needed. Plans like this remind us that ‘democratic’ and ‘socialist’ should never be used in the same sentence,” Strom added.

“Do Paul Wellstone and the Democrat party approve of this plan to steal the election? Do they think it is appropriate for the Democratic Socialists to use tax-deductible funds to commit election fraud? To preserve the integrity of the election, Wellstone should disavow the socialists and ask that this program be investigated,” Strom asked.

“This is one more reason why we need stringent voter fraud laws, including requiring picture IDS to vote,” Strom concluded.

The Taxpayers League is Minnesota’s largest taxpayers advocacy organization.

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www.dsausa.org/news/minnesota.html

85 posted on 10/16/2002 8:46:48 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Thanks for the "usual suspects" list of the lunatic fringe. And to think people wonder why I left Minnesota many years ago and have never returned...LOL.
86 posted on 10/16/2002 8:49:09 PM PDT by greggery_peccary
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
I think the Taxpayers League is the "Right Wing" publication he was referring to LOL!

These links are great, thanks for your help.
87 posted on 10/16/2002 8:52:57 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: pollwatcher
If your candidate can't win the election on issues, it forces you to be creative or unprincipled.
88 posted on 10/16/2002 11:17:06 PM PDT by alaskanfan
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To: muggs
bttt= back to the top, for u newbies!!!
89 posted on 10/17/2002 1:07:24 PM PDT by timestax
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To: timestax
bump
90 posted on 10/17/2002 11:21:54 PM PDT by timestax
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To: timestax
WELLSTONE must BE DEFEATED!!!!
91 posted on 10/18/2002 10:32:39 AM PDT by timestax
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To: muggs
bump
92 posted on 10/18/2002 4:06:27 PM PDT by timestax
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To: timestax
We've got to weed out those illegal vote NOW,or it's too late!
93 posted on 10/18/2002 9:46:16 PM PDT by timestax
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To: terilyn
bump
94 posted on 10/18/2002 10:54:16 PM PDT by timestax
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To: timestax
bttt
95 posted on 10/19/2002 4:37:57 PM PDT by timestax
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Have you seen this:

Voter drive may bring trouble to socialists

BY BILL SALISBURY

Pioneer Press

The Democratic Socialists of America may have gotten themselves in a legal jam with their effort to "bring young people to Minnesota" to help Democratic Sen. Paul Wellstone's campaign.

U.S. Attorney Tom Heffelfinger has received a complaint alleging the group is attempting voter fraud. As is his policy, Heffelfinger would not confirm or deny that he is investigating the matter, but he acknowledged Friday that he has discussed it with Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer's staff.

State Rep. Dennis Ozment, R-Rosemount, filed a complaint with Kiffmeyer on Tuesday asking her to "investigate this outrageous manipulation of our freedom." Kiffmeyer forwarded Ozment's complaint to Heffelfinger, along with objections her office received from 30 other citizens.

In a message posted on its Web site, the DSA said: "We are mobilizing to bring young people to Minnesota. Minnesota is one of the few states that allow same-day voter registration. We will therefore focus our energy on registering young people. Wellstone will need a high percentage of young people to register and vote for him …"

Ozment interpreted that message to mean the DSA was attempting to send non-resident young people to Minnesota to "register and stuff the ballot box."

The national DSA director said earlier this week that the message was misinterpreted. Frank Llewellyn said they were not advocating anything illegal. They were not asking nonresidents to move to Minnesota, register and vote. They were asking young people to encourage Minnesotans to register and vote.

The controversy also prompted a congressional inquiry into DSA's tax status. The organization solicited tax-deductible contributions to pay for the voter-registration drive. Tax-deductible groups are barred from advocating the election of candidates.

In response to a request from the U.S. House Ways and Means Committee staff, Kiffmeyer said she also forwarded the complaints about the DSA to Congress. That committee has jurisdiction over tax law.

In addition, Kiffmeyer said she will mail letters to county attorneys and auditors on Monday urging them to be vigilant for attempts at voter fraud on Election Day.

I'm also running with the DSA - Progressive Caucus - Paul Wellstone Connection at:

http://www.wellstonemustgo.com/socialism.html

96 posted on 10/20/2002 6:32:29 AM PDT by gore_sux
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To: gore_sux
The national DSA director said earlier this week that the message was misinterpreted. Frank Llewellyn said they were not advocating anything illegal. They were not asking nonresidents to move to Minnesota, register and vote. They were asking young people to encourage Minnesotans to register and vote.

Great find! Glad to hear this matter hasn't just quietly died off!

To the above, I would state that their plans involve "encouraging" Minnesotans to vote - probably more than once - by "vouching" for them on the day of the Election. That's their strategy. I can just smell it.

97 posted on 10/20/2002 10:59:47 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: gore_sux; Recovering_Democrat
I also just now saw this important piece of information:

The controversy also prompted a congressional inquiry into DSA's tax status. The organization solicited tax-deductible contributions to pay for the voter-registration drive. Tax-deductible groups are barred from advocating the election of candidates.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! This is gonna tie their hands for a while - a good, LONG while, I hope.

FYI flag to another concerned FReeper.

98 posted on 10/20/2002 11:01:21 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: pollwatcher; All
Cross-link:

-The Vote Fraud Archives--

99 posted on 10/20/2002 11:17:43 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Recovering_Democrat
FYI heads up to this tidbit mentioned above:

In response to a request from the U.S. House Ways and Means Committee staff, Kiffmeyer said she also forwarded the complaints about the DSA to Congress. That committee has jurisdiction over tax law.

100 posted on 10/20/2002 2:12:29 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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