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Beltway Sniper Shootings-FR Commentary-Thursday, Oct. 17
FNC, CNN, MooseChief, Presstitutes | 17 October '02

Posted on 10/17/2002 4:07:52 AM PDT by tomkat

"To avoid multiple vanity threads regarding any news from press conferences, let's keep a live commentary thread going again today."
Peach


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: beltway; chiefmoose; maryland; shooting; sniper; virginia
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1 posted on 10/17/2002 4:07:52 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: All
i think our regular 'hostess' must have slept in this morning,
and deservedly so, as she's done yeoman's work these past troubled days.

anyway, have at it ...

2 posted on 10/17/2002 4:10:17 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat; Peach
Good morning, tomkat. I flagged Peach so that she will see that you started the thread.
3 posted on 10/17/2002 4:12:11 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: tomkat; Peach
"what did you know and when did you know it?"

levity attempt as we wake up to yet another day of indoor recess for the kids...and the thought of what the day might bring.

I agree....kudos to Peach for a massive job well done.

and how are you, anyhoo, Mr. Tom?

4 posted on 10/17/2002 4:12:55 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: Miss Marple
thanks MM
i sent freepmail, but she may still be dozing ...

i've lots of shop time to make up today,
so maybe you'd like to play cat herder in here ?

lol !

5 posted on 10/17/2002 4:15:10 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat
Hey Tom:

Watcha think??

These are just random thoughts.

IF HE HITS, I think he'll hit early this morning BEFORE daybreak...he's just going to spread it out more time wise until he is sure we haven't ID'd him which means he may be going into a restaurant or something, either before or after...Think he's considering that he had trouble getting out because he got into a too congested area?

Sac

6 posted on 10/17/2002 4:15:37 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tomkat
"no news may/may not be good news "

Maybe one of the dudes they "have under surveillance" is the right one!
7 posted on 10/17/2002 4:15:41 AM PDT by Howie
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To: tomkat
There are a number of good sniper threads popping up in the past hour or so.
I recommend they all be linked on this thread. Just a thought.
I gotta go to work.
Thanks.
8 posted on 10/17/2002 4:16:03 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: ZinGirl
hiya zg

rain finally stopped up here, it's supposed to warm up, and so far nothin's goin' on,
so, excuses having petered out, i gotta get some work done ...

dammit !

9 posted on 10/17/2002 4:17:37 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat; Miss Marple; All
Expert on F & F explaining police procedures like grid searches and terms like serial murderer...

Good morning!

10 posted on 10/17/2002 4:18:21 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: tomkat
He says this is a unique situation...but didn't catch it all:(
11 posted on 10/17/2002 4:19:04 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: leadpenny; Admin Moderator
think that was the original point of this thread, actually.

i just can't be here to hit all the other ones today.
perhaps peach or one of the other fine souls here will volunteer (?)

12 posted on 10/17/2002 4:19:31 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat
i gotta get some work done ...

hate it when that happens.....

;)

13 posted on 10/17/2002 4:21:11 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: Sacajaweau
who knows what's runnin' through a mind like that ?

what i do know is that it's good to see the scales beginning to fall from the eyes of so many re the likely terrorism MO in this.

just too bad it hadn't sunk in a week ago - some folks might still be alive who aren't this morning ...

14 posted on 10/17/2002 4:21:40 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: leadpenny
The article by Steve Dunleavy in the NYPost is good. My favorite quote from the terrorism expert that he interviews:

If, when the shooter is caught, if he is not a foreigner, I will bare my derriere in Macy's window.

15 posted on 10/17/2002 4:21:51 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Howie
sure hope you're right, H.

and then which city does this little show get taken on the road to ?

16 posted on 10/17/2002 4:23:57 AM PDT by tomkat
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gotta scoot
later, all ...


17 posted on 10/17/2002 4:25:29 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: leadpenny
FBI PROBERS GO TO GITMO IN SEARCH OF AN AL QAEDA CONNECTION
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/770638/posts

WAKE UP! THIS TERRORIST IS NO NATIVE
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/770645/posts

18 posted on 10/17/2002 4:30:37 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: tomkat
IMHO the terrorism explanation is the most likely to be proven out. From the start I was stating nothing should be ruled out as a possible solution to who is doing these murders. I still state that. Last week I was continually pointing out that we have no way of ruling out these shootings as terrorism. This week I will state that until we get the slimmy SOB who is doing these shootings we can not rule out the crazy theory. I still, however, lean to the terrorist theory for the solution. IF it proves out that an AK-74 is the weapon being used that is even more evidence thatit is a terrorist. Given that an AK-74 is very very rare in the USA, there is a high likelyhood that we are dealing with a smuggled weapon. Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown
19 posted on 10/17/2002 4:34:13 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: tomkat
My prediction for today......

The past two days the shootng team has evaluated the police response, ditched the "hot" vehicle, and "scouted new target areas.....

They should now be ready....

Expect another attack today.....

NeverGore

20 posted on 10/17/2002 4:36:12 AM PDT by nevergore
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To: tomkat
I'm sorry, tomkat. Hadn't punched into the daily thing before. NOW, I'm out the door.
21 posted on 10/17/2002 4:43:58 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: tomkat
I believe there will be no more killings. The terrorists have accomplished their goal -- for now. The only thing to do now is to create even more terror is to fade back into mainstream society without getting caught.

It may seem unlikely right now, but within 30 days, this will largely be forgotten, outside of the DC area. The government/media will be on to something else (How about those SF Giants, not to mention Iraq) and they will claim that 'we may never know who did this'. They may even state that it was likely that the lone nut committed suicide but that there one day may be copycat killers.

This is all a spin away from the truth. It is clearly muslim terrorists. Do not hope for the truth from our government on this. Do not crave the truth. It will not happen. Just hope for action, like deportation. It will not happen soon, it will need to get much worse for action to take place. More people will need to die.

22 posted on 10/17/2002 4:44:58 AM PDT by Silas
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To: tomkat
Good morning! I did sleep until 7:30 - have had insomnia - and want to thank you for starting the thread this a.m. All's quiet in the Beltway, I'm happy to see.
23 posted on 10/17/2002 4:50:41 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Miss Marple
Good morning. I wasn't awake enough to see flag - just started thread - but it thankfully got pulled so we don't have multiple vanities. To a quiet, peaceful day in the Beltway.
24 posted on 10/17/2002 4:54:20 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Silas
I believe there will be no more killings. The terrorists have accomplished their goal -- for now. The only thing to do now is to create even more terror is to fade back into mainstream society without getting caught.

That's what whoever sent the anthrax did.

But if they stop now, I will wonder if their object all along was to kill FBI intelligence analyst Linda Franklin -- the only victim specifically targeted -- and the other killings were cover. One of the articles yesterday said the FBI is tracking money transfers to the terrorists in this country.

25 posted on 10/17/2002 4:57:25 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: tomkat
who knows what's runnin' through a mind like that

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26 posted on 10/17/2002 5:01:10 AM PDT by OReilly
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To: Route66; Peach; Bella; Pete; areafiftyone; brigette; harpseal; Merovingian; Miss Marple; ...
maryland watch ping..we're over here! ;-)
27 posted on 10/17/2002 5:03:45 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Good news from WMAL; 13-year-old boy's condition upgraded from critical to serious.
28 posted on 10/17/2002 5:05:17 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: nevergore
At this point any further victims will not so much have been murdered but rather SACRIFICED to the GOD OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS . . . I am sick of watching our leaders bow before this evil "god" who is now demanding to be honored with human sacrifice . . . They are essentially saying "better more innocents should die than we release useful descriptions that might insult the PC GOD"
29 posted on 10/17/2002 5:07:28 AM PDT by LikeLight
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To: Peach
Peach, just wanted to thank you for all your work over the last few days. I think you were well entitled to a few more minutes in dreamland!
30 posted on 10/17/2002 5:11:37 AM PDT by livius
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To: tomkat
Thanks for starting the thread. Had a hard time locating it, since the sniper threads have been moved from the front page, and now is in with classifieds!

Early on with the shootings, people were talking about had people been carrying they could have done something. It was pointed out though that it was unlikely that they could have done anything at all.

However, this latest shooting, had a witness, several in fact, that were close enough to get some kind of a look, and the one guy, close enough to see what type of weapon was used. My question is, could this person have taken a shot at the shooter, or at the least a tire from the vehicle? Is this the first instance in which anyone that had been carrying might have been able to do something?

31 posted on 10/17/2002 5:18:34 AM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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To: aristeides
John Wallsh on saying this will be weird old Uncle Bill (funny choice of name IMHO) who has been collecting rifles for 20 years. Discounts terrorism for the same reasons...not claiming credit, not a big amount of deaths, etc.

I don't mind considering the psycho theory, but someone has to give better reasons that those which are demonstrably untrue!

32 posted on 10/17/2002 5:20:14 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Route66; Peach; Bella; Pete; areafiftyone; brigette; harpseal; Merovingian; Miss Marple; ...
WAKE UP! THIS TERRORIST IS NO NATIVE
Why I think the serial snipers belong to a Satanic terrorist cult
SNIPER (TEAM?) ACCOMPLISHING THREE MAIN GOALS
Experts Question Legality of Military Involvement in Beltway Sniper Hunt
COPS PONDER JERSEY ‘LINK' (Sniper)
Are sniper investigators using the media to talk to a serial killer?
Medved: Sniper 9/11 = 9 killed, eleven shot?
BESIEGED LOCALS TAKE UP ARMS OF THEIR OWN (Against Sniper)
ATF Making Arrests While Pursing Tips on Sniper: Finding Individuals With Illegal Rifles *
No accurate sketch of sniper suspect as US Army set to join hunt
Partial plate being checked in sniper case
SNIPER COVERAGE BOOSTS CABLE RATINGS
Washington Post Gives Tips For Staying Safe When Under Sniper Attack
Dowd Blasts Chief Moose for Bungling Sniper Case
Sniper Leaves Eyewitnesses At Last Shooting
Sniper darkens U.S. mood, shatters sense of safety
Sniper Shootings: Police suppress terrorism angle
More On Army Assets of Use in Search for Maryland Sniper
Sniper Movie Delayed
Ridge: White House Suspects Beltway Sniper Has Terror Ties*
Police Can't Produce Sniper Sketch
Fox puts "Phone" (DC sniper flick) on hold
Sniper Surveillance - de Havilland Canada DHC-7 Dash 7
Victim from Gainesville, attended UF (background of sniper victim, Linda Franklin)
This time, sniper left clues - Witness reports seeing man fire fatal shot at latest victim
The Sniper Search: And the hunting of Moose.
The sniper who paralyzed Washington
Linking Al-Qaida to D.C. sniper attacks
EYE IN SKY WILL HELP IN THE (SNIPER) HUNT
Beltway Sniper Shootings-FR Commentary-Wednesday, Oct. 16
Kennedy's campaign boosted by sniper fear (KKT OPPORTUNISM ALERT)
U.S. military joins hunt for Washington sniper
Five Sniper Case Witnesses Finger Dark-Skinned 'Mid-Eastern Type'


Beltway Sniper Shootings FR THREAD ARCHIVES

33 posted on 10/17/2002 5:20:27 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Thanks for all those links, Kim!
34 posted on 10/17/2002 5:21:42 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
I take it nobody asked Walsh how weird old Uncle Bill would turn out to be so talented at escape and evasion.

The job of people like Walsh is to spout the line that suits the powers that be.

35 posted on 10/17/2002 5:24:31 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: tomkat

what i do know is that it's good to see the scales beginning to fall from the eyes of so many re the likely terrorism MO in this.

just too bad it hadn't sunk in a week ago - some folks might still be alive who aren't this morning ...

CBS radio news this morning, said that their "Unnamed Sources Inside The Investigation" swore up and down that it wasn't terrorists, couldn't be terrorists, etc.

I don't know whether this is anti-white-males-with-guns fantasizing on the part of the media, or misdirection by the police, or (God forbid) excessive Political Correctness on the part of the police. At this point, I can't rule out any of those hypotheses. ;-)

36 posted on 10/17/2002 5:25:23 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: aristeides
That is wonderful news!!



Hey, has anyone discussed the idea that maybe the reason the governor banned shooting was cuz the econ plane can detect the heat from a discharged firearm? I just heard on the news that it can detect the heat from a discharged firearm. Banned useage would reduce false alarms.
37 posted on 10/17/2002 5:26:01 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Miss Marple
You're welcome Miss M..
38 posted on 10/17/2002 5:26:34 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: aristeides
econ plane = recon plan %-]
39 posted on 10/17/2002 5:27:27 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: aristeides
Well, now they are discussing the possibility of a copycat killer in the last few killings. I am impatient with this Walsh person, who doesn't even bother to know about the ballistic evidence all being the same. Bah!
40 posted on 10/17/2002 5:28:21 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I wonder what the plane will make of all the gangbanger shootings in D.C.
41 posted on 10/17/2002 5:28:24 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Peach
You deserve to sleep in my friend... I've had insomnia plenty of times the past year. Sleep is precious..
42 posted on 10/17/2002 5:28:29 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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Is anyone else getting fed up with being yanked around by the media, yet??

They'll have a composite....no...they won't.
They have partial licence plate numbers...no...they don't.
A pretty good eyewitness ...oops, no.

sigh

Why don't they just report what is confirmable and stop playing out this freaks fantasies on-air?

43 posted on 10/17/2002 5:29:25 AM PDT by GirlNextDoor
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To: aristeides
Well, an interesting graphic could be made of the number of hot spots in DC, where guns are banned. LOL!
44 posted on 10/17/2002 5:29:57 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: aristeides
Check out the titles w/aterisks on links above. The ATF has increased arrests for illegal rifles.. Hmmmmm (I wonder why the html blink option no longer works)
45 posted on 10/17/2002 5:30:27 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Hey, has anyone discussed the idea that maybe the reason the governor banned shooting was cuz the econ plane can detect the heat from a discharged firearm? I just heard on the news that it can detect the heat from a discharged firearm. Banned useage would reduce false alarms.

The firearm and the bullet don't get that hot, especially not with a single shot.

This "firearms discharge ban" is nothing more than a knee-jerk, feel-good executive action.

I hope that Glendenning mourns for the people who will die and be seriously injured in car-deer collisions this winter, deer who would have been taken by hunters this autumn...

46 posted on 10/17/2002 5:30:46 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: LikeLight
>>>They are essentially saying "better more innocents should die than we release useful descriptions that might insult the PC GOD"<<<

I keep hearing over and over they are "unable" to come up with a "composite" sketch. Bull. I've seen on several occasions when there are conflicting "descriptions" they'll put up two different pictures, similar of course, but with different features.

I believe you are more right than you know.

47 posted on 10/17/2002 5:31:37 AM PDT by fone
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To: GirlNextDoor
Not to mention that the idiot John Walsh just said on Fox that IF this were terrorism, the guy would shoot up a restaurant going for killing a lot of people at once.

Thanks, John. I believe if I lived in the area I would avoid dining out for a few weeks, based on the sniper's demonstrated penchant for TAKING CUES FROM THE MEDIA!!

What a jerk!

48 posted on 10/17/2002 5:32:07 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Chemist_Geek
Really? So the news report was full of it? (like that's something new eh? sigh)
49 posted on 10/17/2002 5:32:18 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I heard this morning on Fox and Friends that applications for concealed carry permits were up 500% in the area. I doubt if someone who has just started carrying could be very effective in such a frantic situation. But I think of all the retired police and military types who could indeed help if they were at the scene of one of these horrific kills.
50 posted on 10/17/2002 5:33:33 AM PDT by Quilla
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