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Shootings to spread to other cities? Expert thinks Washington-area killer doing 'market research
World Net Daily ^ | 10/17/02 | Jon E. Dougherty

Posted on 10/17/2002 7:37:22 PM PDT by GOP_Lady


WND Exclusive
D.C. SNIPER TERROR
Shootings to spread to other cities?
Expert thinks Washington-area killer doing 'market research'

Posted: October 17, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Jon Dougherty
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

A former Green Beret and combat veteran who is an expert in Middle East-based Islamic terrorism believes the sniper killings in the Washington, D.C., area may be the opening shots of a wider, national effort directed against the United States.

John Moore, a former Missouri homicide detective and veteran of more than 57 combat missions in Vietnam, told WorldNetDaily in a wide-ranging interview that he believes the recent sniper attacks are just the beginning of a larger campaign.

"What's going on is what I like to call 'marketing research,'" said Moore, who is also the author of several Special Forces classified studies on Islamic terrorism. "It may just be a test tactic for future use."

He said if the shootings are the work of a terrorist cell – and he believes they are – they "may want to learn just how much shooting they have to do in order to get the desired effect."

A desired effect of the attacks, he said, is "a percentage reduction in productivity," as well as the creation of gridlock in and around the nation's capital. Also, such an operation would seek to damage the local economy while sowing fear and confusion.

The Sept. 11 attacks resulted in substantial losses to the U.S. economy, analysts have determined.

"If you want to create terror while expending a minimal amount of resources, they're certainly doing an excellent job of that," he said, adding the Washington-area attacks "could simply be a matter of fine-tuning this particular tactic" to achieve maximum results.

Moore said the leadership of many of the terrorist organizations aligned against the U.S. are led by well-educated men who have studied American society and culture. He also said they are well-positioned to predict how American leaders will react to certain threats.

"The people in charge of these various organizations – al-Qaida being one of about a dozen – have advanced degrees in the 'hard subjects' such as engineering and mathematics," he said. "They also know they have a finite amount of resources. So they are going to want to know how much of those resources they are going to have to use to get the desired effect."

Once they figure out what works, it's likely they'll apply the formula to other American cities, he said.

Moore's theories coincide with other evidence first disclosed by WorldNetDaily last month. An al-Qaida training videotape, captured in Afghanistan, shows Osama bin Laden's terrorists are not only planning attacks with weapons of mass destruction, but are preparing to kill Americans with drive-by shootings and home break-ins, through ambushes of law-enforcement officers and targeted assassinations on golf courses.

Analysts were surprised by some of what they saw in the latest video and believe they employ terrorist tactics and techniques meant for export to America and other nations, WND reported.

Moore said he believes the "main event" to what's happening in D.C. "will come when we attack Iraq."

"When the war begins in earnest, that would be the time to proceed with whatever [terrorist groups] intend to do [in the U.S.], expending a lot of resources in a lot of cities at the same time to get the maximum impact," said Moore. "That would be the smartest thing."

Yesterday, President Bush – joined by 100 lawmakers in an East Room ceremony – signed a congressional resolution authorizing him to use force against Iraq if Baghdad refuses to disarm and get rid of any weapons of mass destruction.

The resolution "symbolizes the united purpose of our nation, expresses the considered judgment of the Congress and marks an important event in the life of America," he said. "The 107th Congress is one of the few called by history to authorize military action to defend our nation in the cause of peace."

Moore, who says he's done more than 17,500 hours of urban, suburban and rural surveillance, also praised the sniper's choice of vehicle, and indicated that it added yet another air of professionalism to his attacks.

"Most people, most of the time, in any business area won't pay much attention to any given vehicle," he said. "The choice of vehicles was a very smart move. The color white is by far and away the most used color for work and delivery vans in the U.S."

That fact may be why the sniper – or, some believe, snipers – has eluded capture thus far.

Also, police have been unable to release a composite sketch of alleged sniper suspects. Though a number of witnesses reported seeing a sniper in action Monday night when FBI analyst Linda Franklin was shot and killed in Falls Church, Va., police said Wednesday too many factors – such as distance and darkness – have prevented them from reporting enough similarities for a drawing, Fox News reported yesterday.

Franklin is the sniper's 11th victim and the ninth to die. Each have been felled with a single gunshot.

The only common denominator, said Capt. Nancy Demme of the Montgomery County, Md., Police Department yesterday, is that the alleged shooter "is male."

"We don't have a refined description to go by. I know that's not what the public wants to hear," she told reporters.

Should the sniper attacks spread to more communities and cities, Moore believes one of the first things to be sacrificed will be personal liberties.

In fact, he says martial law in some cities or states is a real possibility if attacks get out of hand. And he believes most Americans will accept it in exchange for a promise of security – though he says that kind of dramatic response would be used as a last resort because it would hamper business and commerce, making the fragile U.S. economy even more volatile.

"First and foremost, the business of America is business," he said.

Click here to read WND's coverage of the Washington-area shootings



Jon E. Dougherty is a staff reporter and columnist for WorldNetDaily, and author of the special report, "Election 2000: How the Military Vote Was Suppressed."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
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To: Dialup Llama
"You can't steal gas or slap a kid without being picked up on tape. Heck McViegh made it on tape. DC has more cameras than anywhere else. Yet there is no description of this guy at all. No grainy video stills, nothing. I find that odd."

I find it very odd too....infact, so odd that it can not be true.....

I think the cops know approx. who did this....I think he or them mostly likely are on tape,,,and maybe the confusing part is that it is more than one .....

nero fiddled while Rome burned....

101 posted on 10/17/2002 9:19:20 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cinFLA
All correct. However, could you see someone dumping a magazine or a cylinder full on the guy as he gets back into the vehicle? It could be a win-win. Even if he doesn't hit the guy, it could mark the vehicle, cause the guy to wreck on the way out, disable the vehicle, pinpoint him for more witnesses or delay him long enough so a police car could be that many minutes closer to catching him.

I really don't know. I do know what the witnesses are doing now at the scene while it's happening isn't working.
102 posted on 10/17/2002 9:20:34 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Rocksalt
link to the thread??
103 posted on 10/17/2002 9:22:56 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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To: Ford Fairlane
It's under "latest threads" on the opening page, or at www.newsmax.com
104 posted on 10/17/2002 9:27:49 PM PDT by Rocksalt
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To: Rocksalt
Thanks - I found it
105 posted on 10/17/2002 9:35:53 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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To: Ford Fairlane
In popular culture, they say that California is the trendsetter. What girls are wearing this summer in LA are what they'll wear next summer in Atlanta.

I think in domestic security, the trendsetter is Israel.
If this detective quoted in this article is even 10% right, then we will have to have the level of security we see in Israel to feel safe (or as safe as is humanly possible).

For starters, we'll start deporting a LOT more people and there will be soldiers in the streets.
107 posted on 10/17/2002 9:46:27 PM PDT by Maximum Leader
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To: Pitchfork
No way I'd draw down a pistol on a man with an AR-15. But I would empty the mag into his van/truck as he made his get away, IF I had the chance.

This is a bitch. We live 60 miles from DC, Spotsvlvania county is next door to Culpeper. I'm not scared... I'm pissed.

This is the same crew that did the anthrax mail a year ago, and I believe they are the Al Quaida kind. They wont be caught as long as we are playing the PC game - illegal immigrents and M.E. nationals must go. Terrorists and countries that spawn or harbor them must be punished so bad that their children's children will still be telling stories in 50 years about what happened when their forfathers pissed off the USA.

108 posted on 10/17/2002 9:50:53 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: Ford Fairlane
Just as an FYI, I live in Texas. It is perfectly legal for anyone to carry a loaded rifle down the street or have one in your vehicle, no license required.
And as far as declaring marshal law if the shootings spread, the liberal/commies would absolutely LOVE this!! However, me and several other freedom loving folks would not succumb to this I guarantee you. Snipers wouldn't be the only thing on my target list. Marshal law would be the beginning of everything all those survivalist/conservative doom and gloom short wave radio shows have been predicting, and this would be a very bad thing. Listen to "Silent Running" by Mike and the Mechanics or pull the lyrics off the net.
109 posted on 10/17/2002 9:53:08 PM PDT by Indie
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To: Indie
Oh I wish I was in Texas...

Mike & the Mechanics - you are showing your age there

110 posted on 10/17/2002 10:00:39 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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To: SamAdams76; blam
I assume places like Texas and Alabama will be safe from these snipers.

Though it's true that Maryland and DC are a gun grabber's wet dream, some of these shootings occurred in "armed-to-the-teeth" Virginia.

Virginia is a "shall issue" concealed carry state. The NRA is headquartered here. There is no waiting period, when you purchase a weapon.

We've got more guns than people in Virginia, and the sniper hit us anyway.

111 posted on 10/17/2002 10:12:14 PM PDT by schmelvin
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To: cinFLA
At 100 feet I will make a lethal hole in a person EVERY time. Even with my age and eyesight I won't miss a person's head at 75. In my younger years I wouldn't get a less that fatal shot at 75 YARDS. I think your memory is failing you in your old age.

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You should live so long. It's a matter of training and innate ability. I'm an amateur compared to my Southern Scotch-Irish mother who could hit a pack of cigarettes at 150 feet with a single action pistol at the age of 70. She wouldn't hit it every time, but for purposes of combat and self defense it's not necessary. My advice to you is to never assume someone else shares your limitations in a combat situation. You can take that advice or disregard it at your pleasure.

112 posted on 10/17/2002 10:30:53 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Palladin
And they are getting the desired effect. Everyone is looking over his shoulder everywhere--even miles away from VA. and MD

You got that right, here in the midwest I hear people saying they are looking around when in parking lots, also looking at white box trucks & vans! Terror is the name or their game & they play it well, we're not used to this kind of thing in the U.S. Guess we better get used to it & learn how to react & soon, as I don't see this thing going away.

113 posted on 10/17/2002 10:32:44 PM PDT by blondee123
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To: LouD
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114 posted on 10/17/2002 10:44:07 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Dialup Llama
DITTO !!!!
115 posted on 10/17/2002 10:49:29 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Ford Fairlane
Being armed does little good unless you can find the sniper.
116 posted on 10/17/2002 10:55:08 PM PDT by weikel
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To: TomGuy
YES! It's driving me insane that there hasn't been a perp sketch released. Chief Moose HAD been promising one for days. ("We're workin' on it.") At the end of last week, a sketch seemed imminent; it seemed they were working on a sketch. Then, after Monday's murder, suddenly all sketch bets are off because of conflicting witness descriptions. Hello: Maybe there are different descriptions because there is more than one person involved! Aaargh! I think it's a delay tactic because the descriptions DO match, and they're ME, and cops are hoping to nab the guys before revealing what they look like in order to avoid massive "pre-emptive strikes." Wouldn't want the common citizenry to be proactive, would they? And lose confidence in the local LE.
119 posted on 10/18/2002 12:33:09 AM PDT by Meem the Scream
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To: Meem the Scream
"I think it's a delay tactic because the descriptions DO match, and they're ME, and cops are hoping to nab the guys before revealing what they look like in order to avoid massive "pre-emptive strikes." "

Well if he/they turn out to be ME, government will have to conceal this fact OR reveal it. I cannot believe that it COULD be concealed.

So I believe IF the perp is doscovered, and is ME, things may change a LOT in the USA.

And it will mean many totally innocent people get swept up. For example, I have known several people from Iran, over the last 22 years, including Christians, Jews, Bahai and Zoroastrians. And they are scared, now in the US, like they were scared in Iran.

They all look and sound Iranian, and would likely be targeted by folks here, too ignorant to understand that they, too, have been targets of the crazy terrorist religion/world domination politics called islam.

When these people tell you they suffered under islam, it will be the TRUTH. That is why they left Iran!! The Christian guy that I know says he was in prison and was tortured, in Iran.

120 posted on 10/18/2002 1:33:34 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Indie
LOL I think I once posted the lyrics on a thread on FR!

Great message song.
121 posted on 10/18/2002 4:22:34 AM PDT by Skywalk
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To: Ford Fairlane
"Only a fool takes a pistol to a gunfight"

No, the real fool is one who goes unarmed to a gun fight. Even a pistol is better than cowering on the ground.
122 posted on 10/18/2002 4:46:24 AM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: GOP_Lady; The Great Satan
Moore said he believes the "main event" to what's happening in D.C. "will come when we attack Iraq."

"When the war begins in earnest, that would be the time to proceed with whatever [terrorist groups] intend to do [in the U.S.], expending a lot of resources in a lot of cities at the same time to get the maximum impact," said Moore. "That would be the smartest thing."

And what would be even smarter would be to let the government know about the threat. I wonder what was on the unreleased part of the message on the tarot card.

123 posted on 10/18/2002 5:00:47 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Ford Fairlane; Dialup Llama
Several of the recent shootings have been in CCW Northern Virginia.
124 posted on 10/18/2002 5:01:40 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Brett66
If it's Moslems, the attacks can presumably be shut down by a program of internments and deportations, like what FDR did to the Japanese here in 1942.
125 posted on 10/18/2002 5:03:32 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: TomGuy
What the LEOs had to say at that conference about possible legal consequences for the allegedly lying witness is not exactly going to encourage further witnesses to come forward.
126 posted on 10/18/2002 5:07:10 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Rocksalt
One question I have is if these would have been police officers being shot,would this be solved already?

The victim Monday was an FBI analyst. I notice there have been no further shootings since then.

127 posted on 10/18/2002 5:08:31 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Rocksalt
Good question,I have no answer,but I'm wondering if police would have been able to return fire,althought I am aware one victim was shot directly across the street from a police officer and still got away.


This is still all new and uncharted territory. These killings are still being addressed as crimes. It will take time, but at some point our perception will change, and we will view these as war.

I would like to believe that once it shown that these are not "crimes" but saboteurs the action of the authorities will change.

I wonder just how much more the American people are willing to put up with, before demanding action. I think we are getting close to that point now.

128 posted on 10/18/2002 5:09:46 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: cinFLA
If you interrupt his exit you risk a lot of return fire from one or more .223's.

We don't know that. The guy's MO is one shot. But if he does do that, that means a lot more evidence and witness ID's.

129 posted on 10/18/2002 5:18:34 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Pitchfork
Would I CHOOSE to engage this fiend with only a CCW pistol? Nope, I would prefer my .25-06 varminter, but he is making his shots from less than 200 yards according to the cops (until the most recent killing which may have been from several hundred yards). And no MY pistol would not protect ME, but if I were a witness, I might be much closer. In any case, a CCW holder could take a rest or drop to prone and empty a magazine or cylinder full at a timed fire tempo and have a good chance of hitting this geek. Would it be safe? Hell no. But diving for cover is the wrong way to react to an ambush.

The locals had better adopt a much more agressive attitude. Anyone driving a car has a powerful weapon at hand. If a witness sees the shooter and it is possible, pull the seatbelt tight and ram as hard as you can.
130 posted on 10/18/2002 5:38:51 AM PDT by Rifleman
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To: cinFLA
This guys mo is one shot and leave. If you interrupt his exit you risk a lot of return fire from one or more .223's. I would not want to attract that kind of fire!

The reason the killer has been able to avoid detection and capture is his adherence to only firing one shot. If the killer gets into a firefight with someone, he'll no longer be able to escape undetected. If many nearby are armed, he'll no longer be able to escape, period.

131 posted on 10/18/2002 5:56:56 AM PDT by supercat
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To: GOP_Lady
This might actually be an interesting article if it wasn't from WorldNetDaily.

What's next? Art Bell agrees?
132 posted on 10/18/2002 6:30:00 AM PDT by Johnny Shear
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To: Brett66
In that case, the citizens step in.
133 posted on 10/18/2002 6:36:13 AM PDT by 7thson
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To: supercat
The reason the killer has been able to avoid detection and capture is his adherence to only firing one shot. If the killer gets into a firefight with someone, he'll no longer be able to escape undetected. If many nearby are armed, he'll no longer be able to escape, period.

Probably, BUT, one should act ONLY if he has carefully considered the situation - unless he wants to be a wounded/dead hero.

134 posted on 10/18/2002 6:38:54 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Rifleman; Shooter 2.5
Why not look to Israel for an example of concealed handgun policy against terrorism. The following is an article written by John R Lott, Jr. It appeared in the USA Today on June 16, 2002:

Armed citizens can defuse terrorist threat

By John R. Lott Jr.

Armed private citizens in some heavily Jewish areas of Brooklyn, N.Y., started patrolling their neighborhoods this past weekend. Some carried baseball bats or cell phones. Others had concealed handguns or shotguns.
Why such unusual behavior?

Many Brooklyn Jews were alarmed by a CBS 60 Minutes report on June 2 that the terrorists who targeted the World Trade Center in 1993 first planned to blow up Jewish neighborhoods in Brooklyn. The terrorists apparently switched to the trade center only because they believed that most of its occupants were Jewish. A terrorist interviewed by CBS gave the impression that Brooklyn Jews were still a prime target.
Rabbi Yakove Lloyd, founder of the Jewish Defense Group, which helped organize the armed patrols, says they "will be a very effective deterrent against terrorism directed at American Jews and other targets." But to many Americans, such behavior is more frightening than the threat of terrorism.
The FBI conducted almost 470,000 more background checks for gun purchases during the six months after Sept. 11 than during the same six-month period a year earlier. These new gun owners, claim columnists such as Nicholas Kristof at The New York Times, were not only useless in stopping terrorism, but probably would cause more deaths with their guns.

Lessons from Israel
These Brooklyn Jews can point to Israel to counter such criticism. Israeli Police Inspector General Shlomo Aharonisky has repeatedly called on all concealed-handgun-permit holders to carry firearms at all times. In March, Israeli police announced they wanted to increase the number of Israelis carrying handguns by 60,000.

"There's no question that weapons in the hands of the public have prevented acts of terror or stopped them while they were in progress," Aharonisky says.

Examples this year:
- A woman shot a terrorist twice in the head before he could set off a bomb in a supermarket.
- A man at a disco shot to death a Palestinian who had started firing a machine gun.
- A private security guard saved hundreds by shooting a terrorist before he could drive his car bomb into a disco.
- A grocer fatally shot a terrorist armed with grenades, "explosive devices" and a machine gun.

Police won't step up protection
Some New York City Jews, concerned about civilians running around with guns, are not supporting the patrols. Their reaction would be more understandable if the police were willing to provide additional protection. But despite concerns voiced by Lloyd and local politicians that there is not adequate protection, the police have not publicly offered more help. Instead, New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said last week that police would not tolerate people "brandishing weapons under the guise of protecting others" and that "anyone attempting to patrol the streets armed with a weapon" would be arrested.
The biggest practical problem with the patrols is that they will not operate on Saturdays, the Sabbath. Except in emergencies, Orthodox Jews are banned from even touching guns on holidays and the Sabbath. But everyone recognizes that synagogues could be targets of terror attacks. The unfortunate irony is that to the extent that the armed patrols deter attacks on other days, being disarmed during the Sabbath actually encourages attacks to take place then.

Recognizing this problem, Israel's rabbis this year agreed to allow some armed worshipers in synagogues there during Passover and on the Sabbath.

Given New York City's stringent gun-ownership rules, those who carry guns during the patrols are surely among the most law-abiding citizens. It takes six months or more to get a gun; so they hardly ran out and bought one right after 60 Minutes. Those who have a permit to carry a concealed handgun have had extensive police scrutiny. And despite Kelly's warning, it is lawful for city gun owners to carry their unloaded shotguns in enclosed cases.

City police seem more concerned about monitoring law-abiding citizens than in protecting them. If the Second Amendment means anything, surely it applies in such a case as this.
John R. Lott Jr., an American Enterprise Institute resident scholar, wrote More Guns, Less Crime.
135 posted on 10/18/2002 6:42:48 AM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: RLK
My advice to you is to never assume someone else shares your limitations in a combat situation. You can take that advice or disregard it at your pleasure.

My limitations? Never underestimate someone elses limitations OR overestimate your own limitations in a combat situation. What I can say, is that at at 75 plus yards, most pistols do not have sufficient accuracy to guarantee a kill shot (excluding match grade pistols with scopes and rests).

136 posted on 10/18/2002 7:26:46 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Shooter 2.5
it could mark the vehicle, cause the guy to wreck on the way out, disable the vehicle, pinpoint him for more witnesses...

exactly. Unless a witness is comfortably capable of making a shot on the shooter's person, it might just be best shoot the h*ll out of the van. Much easier target, "tag, YOU'RE IT, Muhfuh!" type stuff.

137 posted on 10/18/2002 7:41:45 AM PDT by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: cinFLA
What I can say, is that at at 75 plus yards, most pistols do not have sufficient accuracy to guarantee a kill shot ----

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What I have is "what you can say" against against my own empirical experience. For some reason every jackass on this forum and elsewhere fancies himself an authority on guns. It's a fact that getting hit in the gut with a .44 cal slug is like getting hit with a 300 degree railroad train. It's all over at that point. If you can't put a slug there at 75 yards that's your problem. Discussion ended.

138 posted on 10/18/2002 9:42:31 AM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
What I have is "what you can say" against against my own empirical experience. For some reason every jackass on this forum and elsewhere fancies himself an authority on guns. It's a fact that getting hit in the gut with a .44 cal slug is like getting hit with a 300 degree railroad train. It's all over at that point. If you can't put a slug there at 75 yards that's your problem. Discussion ended.

Let's look at some details. Assume your "monster gun" groups 6" at 75 yds. Allow 1" for unknow windage and loading factors. That would mean that you would have to have ZERO error in your visual aim and ZERO movement of the pistol inorder to ensure hitting a person, much less killing him.

139 posted on 10/18/2002 10:33:23 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: RLK
It's a fact that getting hit in the gut with a .44 cal slug is like getting hit with a 300 degree railroad train. It's all over at that point. If you can't put a slug there at 75 yards that's your problem. Discussion ended.

1. Are you referring to .44 special or .44 magnum or some other pistol.

2. I have no idea what a 300 degree railroad train is.

3. The term "slug" is normally used when referring to a shotgun.

140 posted on 10/18/2002 10:50:57 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Given a moving target, obstables and "deer fever" it would be almost suicide for most to attempt to get the sniper armed with his carry weapon

Except for the shooters on Free Republic. So far, I've come across a West Virginian,who in his youth could guarantee 100% lethal hits at 75 yards with a pistol, a guy that shoots holes in quarters at 200yds with his surplus rifle, and several people who've known people who've taught their kids/grandmas to hit the X ring at 300 yards, from a moving vehicle in a driving rainstorm, at night (ok thats a stretch - it was 200 yards)

It's always interesting to note how well people can shoot from behind a keyboard.

141 posted on 10/18/2002 10:56:39 AM PDT by xsrdx
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To: cinFLA
2. I have no idea what a 300 degree railroad train is.

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How about a hot freight train. Can you you understand that?

142 posted on 10/18/2002 11:01:10 AM PDT by RLK
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To: cinFLA
Let's look at some details. .....

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There is only one detail that counts. I didn't have any trouble putting the bullet where I needed it.

143 posted on 10/18/2002 11:05:00 AM PDT by RLK
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To: Dialup Llama
Note that the city they picked to begin would 100% assure that any bystanders would be unarmed.

DC and Maryland, sure, but Virginia is fairly well-armed.

144 posted on 10/18/2002 11:27:43 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: xsrdx
It's always interesting to note how well people can shoot from behind a keyboard.<.i>

My ex came from a non-gun family and for the first 10 years of our marriage never shot. On her own, she said she wanted to learn how to shoot and carry a pistol. It took a little patience for me to help her regain her confidence when she began. She was SO disappointed that she could not "shoot the lights out" like she saw on TV and the movies.

145 posted on 10/18/2002 11:40:07 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: CIB-173RDABN
I heard last night that one of the witnesses actually fabricated his story about seeing the shooter.He was actually inside the home depot at the time of the shooting.The authoritys are now saying their leads and witnesses are falling apart,and they are back to square one.This is unfortunate.
146 posted on 10/18/2002 3:30:24 PM PDT by Rocksalt
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To: aristeides
"The victim Monday was an FBI analyst. I notice there have been no further shootings since then."

This might have made the assailant realise they will be likely be caught soon.At least there has not been any more shootings this week since then.


147 posted on 10/18/2002 3:34:10 PM PDT by Rocksalt
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To: GOP_Lady
Guess it's time I got a gun, training, and a CC license. Reading this, I also got to thinking about home safety, as in plans for family members to follow in case of an attack on our home, and installing more locks on bedrooms doors, outside doors, keeping cell phones by beds, etc. If this continues, there's going to be a bunch of businesses starting up for home safety.
148 posted on 10/18/2002 3:45:13 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: cinFLA
Let's look at some details. Assume your "monster gun" groups 6" at 75 yds. Allow 1" for unknow windage and loading factors.

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Let's make that assumption. That means aiming at someon's belly button will put lead within three and one half inches from that spot. A good percentage of the time that's enough to damned near blow the target's spine out. If it doesn't he'll be staggered and in shock immediately. Forget it. He's dead.

149 posted on 10/19/2002 1:00:40 AM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
Let's make that assumption. That means aiming at someon's belly button will put lead within three and one half inches from that spot. A good percentage of the time that's enough to damned near blow the target's spine out. If it doesn't he'll be staggered and in shock immediately. Forget it. He's dead.

You forgot to account for how you will have ZERO error in the other categories I mentioned. Add 1 for sights, 3 for visual acquisition, 3 for pistol movement and 5 for target movement and you get over 35" horizontal. Add another 2 or 3 for errors in estimating range.

150 posted on 10/19/2002 5:05:58 PM PDT by cinFLA
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