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WHICH FREEPER HAS THE MOST CORRUPT STATE?
10/18/ 02

Posted on 10/18/2002 4:42:56 PM PDT by Libloather

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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
You said it much better than I ever could. From a hill in Ct peering over Foster, I agree that you have the most corrupt state taking into account that familiarity breeds contempt.:-}
51 posted on 10/18/2002 5:31:01 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Hah! The more familiar I get the more contemptious I become.

:)
52 posted on 10/18/2002 5:33:10 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Libloather
Louisiana. A previous governor is going to be going into prison Monday. Also our last three commissioners of insurance have gone to prison.

I just did a quick search and found this:

A LONG WAY BACK
Political corruption is woven deeply into the fabric of Louisiana's history, affecting most branches of state government.
Times-Picayune 5/14/00

Jean Baptiste le Moyne, Sieur de Bienville French colonial governor of Louisiana four times between 1701 and 1743, was fired several times on charges of corruption and malfeasance in office. He went in and out of office depending on the state of politics in Paris.

Antoine de Lamothe, Sieur de Cadillac French colonial governor 1713-16, was sent to the Basille on Sept. 27, 1717, in a financial scandal. A successor, Louis Bilouart, Chevaliere de Kelerec (governor 1753-63), met the same fate.

Gov. Charles Phillippe Aubry (1765-66) spent the colony into bankruptcy, prompting French authorities to palm it off on Spain.

William Pitt Kellogg , a Reconstruction era governo (1873-76) wa so unpopular that President Grant had to send in troops to keep him in office - despite the fact that he lowered taxes.

Gov. Samuel D. McEnery (1881-1888) escaped serious scandal of his own, but his state treasurer, Edward A. Burke, emptied out the vaults and took off for Honduras.

During the 1880s, the Louisiana Lottery was rife with corruption, with operators accused of bribing public officials, newspaper reporters and editors. The lottery was finally put out of business in 1892 by Gov. Murphy Foster, grandfather of the present governor. The grandson is in his second term.

In 1929, Gov. Huey P. Long was impeached by the House on 19 counts, including bribery and other offenses. He was never convicted by the Senate, however, because enough senators signed a "round robin" agreeing not to convict no matter what the evidence.

In 1940, Gov. Richard Leche and Louisiana State University President James Monroe Smith went to prison after a serices of events that became known collectively as the "Louisiana Scandals." Leche resigned as governor shortly before he was convicted in federal court on mail fraud charges stemming from allegations that he took kickbacks on a state road construction project. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison and served 3 1/2 years. Leche is the only Louisiana governor since statehood to have been imprisoned. Public outrage over the scandal resulted in the election of a reform governor, Sam Jones, in 1940.

In 1969, Life Magazine published an article linking the administration of Gov. John McKeithen to alleged mobster boss Carlos Marcello. There was a lengthy investigation, but McKeithen was never officially accused of any wrongdoing.

Then - Attorney General Jack P.F. Gremillion was indicated in 1969 on charges of lying to a grand jury about his involvement in a savings & loan company. He was convicted in 1971 and served 15 months in prison.

In 1973, early in Gov. Edwin Edwards' first administration, the media reported that he was involved with some political cronies in a questionable New Orleans real estate deal called TEL Enterprises. That touched off a grand jury investigation, but no indictments resulted.

In 1976, Edwards admitted that a South Korean businessman gave Edwards' wife $10,000. He later admitted that an aide to the South Korean businessman had contributed $10,000 to Edwards' 1971 election campaign.

Former state Agriculture Commissioner Gil Dozier was convicted in 1980 on federal racketeering and extortion charges for shaking down businesses that dealt with or were regulated in some way by his department. In 1982, a federal judge revoked Dozier's appeal bond and increased his sentence to 18 years because of claims that Dozier planned a break-in at another man's office and tried to get a juror to falsely claim misconduct during Dozier's trial. Dozier was not formall y charged with jury tampering. But U.S. District Judge Frank Polozola, revoking the probation he had previously given Dozier on one of the counts against him, said prosecutors had enough evidence to convict him on the tampering charge.

In 1981 Charles "Budgie" Roemer, Edwards' former commissioner of administration (and father of future Gov. Buddy Roemer) was convicted along with alleged mob chief Carlos Marcello and others of bribery to obtain state insurance contracts in a federal sting operation known as Brilab. Edwards was not implicated. The convictions were overturned in 1989.

In 1982, state Senate President Michael O'Keefe was indicted for swindling his business partners. He was convicted in 1983 on charges of bilking a failed insurance company. He was sentenced to 19 years and is now in a federal prison.

In 1982, a federal grand jury investigated a deferred compensation program for state employeers that was instituted under Edwards, but Edwards was never indicted.

In 1985, Edwards was indicted by a federal grand jury on racketeering and fraud charges. Prosecutors said that while out of office between his second and third terms (1980-4), he conspired to obtain and sell state hospital and nursing home approvals, which entitle developers to substantial federal reimbursement of their costs, and that he aided the conspiracy when returned to office in 1984. Edwards' first trial in 1985 ended in a hung jury, he was retried and acquitted in 1986.

In 1990, Insurance Commissioner Doug Green was indicted on fraud and money laundering charges in connection with the collapse of Champion Insurance Co. He was convicted in 1991 and is serving a 25-year prison sentence.

In 1992, after Edwards took office for the fourth time, he made legislative approval of the New Orleans casino his top priority. The casino bill was brought up unexpectedly in the House after a bitter fight over a prevailing wage bill and most members thought they were about to adjourn for the day. After the voting machine was opened, dozens of members screamed that their votes had been incorrectly recorded, and the machine was left open fr nearly 20 minutes, something that has never happened before nor since. The bill narrowly passed.

In 1993, Insurance Commissioner Sherman Bernard was indicted for taking payoffs while in office. He was convicted and served a brief prison term.

In 1999, longtime Elections Commissioner Jerry Fowler was indicted by a state grand jury and accused of taking millions of dollars in kickbacks from inflated voting machine contracts. He was defeated for re-election and is awaiting trial.

Insurance Commissioner Jim Brown was indicted in 1999 along with Edwards and others on federal charges of mishandling the liquidation of a failed insurance company. He is awaiting trial. Brown won re-election despite the indictment. You will notice that the last three Insurance Commissioners: Brown, Bernard and Green, have all been indicted for corruption.

http://thejeffersonteacher.homestead.com/alongwayback.html

53 posted on 10/18/2002 5:35:50 PM PDT by alnick
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To: rabidralph
Hands down!

Hillary Clinton
Charles Schumer.
Need I say more?

54 posted on 10/18/2002 5:36:13 PM PDT by smokegenerator
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To: doberville
Do we have a winner here?

Gotta call you on premature celebration. Hardly any foul, no penalty...

55 posted on 10/18/2002 5:36:25 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
I've always said "you can judge how much corruption there is in state government by the condition of their highways." From that, I give New York an edge over Louisiana and New Mexico. But I must confess I've never driven through Oregon or Washington.

I can tell you it's not Texas because we still think capital punishment is a viable option in these parts. The crooks know they can't get away with too much around here.

56 posted on 10/18/2002 5:37:12 PM PDT by Tall_Texan
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To: Libloather
I would have to say New York.Before it was ark.but the clintons moved to N.Y. so now it is n.y.
57 posted on 10/18/2002 5:37:32 PM PDT by solo gringo
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To: Libloather
Tennessee has to be a candidate. A Governor forced out of office - and jailed - a few years ago.

Memphis has a jailbird city council member, plus it just ousted another. We have a druggie on the school board, as well. And the State has just ordered the County to conduct an audit due to massive misuse of credit cards in the immediate past (Republican!) administration.
58 posted on 10/18/2002 5:38:30 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: Libloather
Wow. So far Florida remains spotless...

Only because the Clintoon hasn't been there since leaving office.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

59 posted on 10/18/2002 5:40:01 PM PDT by LonePalm
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To: Libloather
I don't know about corrupt, but Vermont is represented by congressman Bernie Sanders and senators Jeffords and Leahy. Beat that!
60 posted on 10/18/2002 5:40:04 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Constitution Day
When you look up the word corruption in the dictionary, do you see these pictures?

See how Lautenberg voted on the Issues

61 posted on 10/18/2002 5:40:52 PM PDT by Unknown Freeper
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To: Libloather
Auwe, y'all don't even come close... the People's Republic of Hawaii... best banana republic in the 50. Cronyism, government employees' unions, and total DemocRAT rule of the governor's house, the house, the senate, not to mention the federal offices for almost as long as it's been a state.
62 posted on 10/18/2002 5:46:00 PM PDT by Spyder
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To: alnick
Come on, your not even trying. If you want to go way back, we started the revolution really, when the Mooncussers tricked an english ship into running aground( the ol' fake lighthouse trick) and pillaged and burned it. George's attempts to punish the pirates of the Cove led to the revolution. We don't punish pirates here, we elect em.

Again and again.

Heck, you ain't got a political career in this state if you don't have a felony conviction on your resume.
63 posted on 10/18/2002 5:46:09 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Libloather
What a fun thread. My vote would have to be a state heavy with lawyers, unions, mobsters, rats, and restrictive laws. New Jersey comes to mind.
64 posted on 10/18/2002 5:46:58 PM PDT by kcar
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To: Tall_Texan
Highways?
It ain't a pothole, it's Narragensett Bay.
65 posted on 10/18/2002 5:47:10 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: gorush
Tommy reformed WI's welfare system. Many other states followed suit with what he managed to do.

66 posted on 10/18/2002 5:48:32 PM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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To: Libloather

Washington DC!

OK, its not a State per se, but it is the weekday home to more RAT Senators and Congressmen than anywhere else -not to mention DNC Headquarters. Think "Death Star"
67 posted on 10/18/2002 5:49:15 PM PDT by RodgerD
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To: cajun-jack
"think Louisiana....ala edwin edwards, jim brown, don odom, sherman bernard and others not to mention mary landrieu that stole the election from woody jenkins and is preparing to steal this one as well."

I'm from Louisiana and moved to Washington state five years ago. I can promise you that a state governed by competent crooks (Louisiana) is better than one governed by incompetent do-gooders (Washington).

68 posted on 10/18/2002 5:49:47 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Libloather
connecticut was once very bad, during the Stella ella Grosso, and her stooge Lt Gov. Bill O'Neal, and then that outstanding turncoat Lowell Weiker, but 2 straight Republican Governorships, and a very likely 3rd, John Rowland is like 19 points ahead of his currently broke demorat chalenger. Its still a socialist paradise, but not quite as bad as it once was.
69 posted on 10/18/2002 5:52:11 PM PDT by MrNeutron1962
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To: Wonder Warthog
as least edwards always admitted he was a crook....he didn't deny drinking, gambling and carousing....if a snake is a snake everday, at least you know you are dealing with a snake.
70 posted on 10/18/2002 5:54:44 PM PDT by cajun-jack
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To: Libloather
WHICH FREEPER HAS THE MOST CORRUPT STATE?

I just saw a pole from Chicago that said Illinois was the most corrupt and to prove it they admitted that 20% of the names on the survey were deceased people.

71 posted on 10/18/2002 5:55:40 PM PDT by fightu4it
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To: IronJack
Well, I've lived in a bunch of them, and I'm something of a political expert, but I'd say Maryland, Louisiana, and Rhode Island probably take the cake. New Jersey and Massachusetts still have a number of good, effective, and honest local governments, as does California. To be really, totally corrupt, a state has to have all the governments -- state, county, town -- in on the scam.
72 posted on 10/18/2002 5:56:01 PM PDT by MoralSense
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To: dead
New Jersey, where my husband's family managed our then rental property, telling everyone the house was theirs, and pocketing lots of rents. Politicians in New Jersey simply reflect the lack of human quality of that state.
73 posted on 10/18/2002 5:56:37 PM PDT by Hila
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
(the ol' fake lighthouse trick)

Wasn't that used in the '78 Rose Bowl game?

Again, we revert back to Cally - no?

74 posted on 10/18/2002 5:56:46 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
The klintons are in New York.
75 posted on 10/18/2002 5:57:04 PM PDT by PoorMuttly
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To: Libloather
Janet Reno
76 posted on 10/18/2002 5:57:32 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Not a state, which is too bad, Teddy Roosevelt's only mistake in my eyes. At least its the only one I know of.
77 posted on 10/18/2002 5:57:44 PM PDT by MrNeutron1962
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To: Libloather
The Peoples Republic of Kalipornia (CA) tops all for RAT corruption and leftist idiocies.
78 posted on 10/18/2002 5:59:13 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: fightu4it
A Pole from Chicago? What do the Hungarians think?
79 posted on 10/18/2002 6:00:29 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: MotleyGirl70
Tommy Thompson, I miss you!!!!!

Yeah right...now his dumb ass brother is gonna pull a Ross Perot and deliver us up to Doyle...the guy that wants to have every cartridge and every primer owner charged with felonies unless they are for single shot rifles.... Not to mention Doyle's inability/unwillingness as a prosecutor to go after certain crooked democrats?

80 posted on 10/18/2002 6:00:33 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: Libloather
It's unanimous ! All states are corrupt !!
81 posted on 10/18/2002 6:00:49 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Paulus Invictus
No, I live in "Corruptionville,AKA, New Jersey"
This IS the most corrupt state.
82 posted on 10/18/2002 6:00:58 PM PDT by grammymoon
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To: cajun-jack
...at least Edwards always admitted he was a crook...

An admitted criminal. Commendable...

83 posted on 10/18/2002 6:02:03 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
I may actually have to resubscribe to our local Milwaukee Urinal to try to keep the players straight in the latest corruption drama . . . whew! They packed 20 years of corruption into one year! When they blow it, they blow it BIG!
84 posted on 10/18/2002 6:03:31 PM PDT by WIladyconservative
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Sorry, make that poll.
85 posted on 10/18/2002 6:05:09 PM PDT by fightu4it
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To: grammymoon
No, I live in "Corruptionville,AKA, New Jersey" This IS the most corrupt state.

Florida hasn't weighed in yet. Do you have butterfly ballots?

86 posted on 10/18/2002 6:05:33 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: joesnuffy
His dumb ass brother has nothing in common politically with Tommy. Frankly, I can't stop anyone from voting for Ed Thompson.

87 posted on 10/18/2002 6:08:58 PM PDT by MotleyGirl70
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To: MoralSense
I still claim victory through historical precedence.

There is a stone planted in the ground at the ancient borders of Massachusetts Bay, Plimoth Plantation, and Providence plantation. It is about 4-5 miles from the present northeast corner of RI where it meets Mass.

It's from the sixteen hundreds, about 6-8 feet tall and has carved into it an admonition to the good men of Mass Bay and Plimoth to shoot any denizons of Providence Plantation found beyond the border after dark. It's called the Angle Tree stone.

Number one then, number one now Rogue's Island Yeah!
88 posted on 10/18/2002 6:13:03 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Libloather
Thanks to everyone for a fun, funny thread.

My home state of Pennsylvania should get some mention here. The list of criminals in public office in PA is incredibly long, and getting longer all the time.

And the other signs of corruption are apparent in certain conditions here. You drive up US Route 1 from Maryland on perfect asphalt road, and the minute you cross into PA it's like you've entered the trenches at Stalingrad, in spite of the ridiculously high taxes. PENNDOT has got to be the most corrupt highway department in America.

89 posted on 10/18/2002 6:21:26 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: dead
The birds sing stolen songs, the dogs dig up each other's bones, and the infants want hugs so they can lift your wallet.

It's posts like yours that has me addicted to FR.

91 posted on 10/18/2002 6:32:28 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: Salvation
Oregon?

Where law enforcement (at least in my hometown) is not just associated with .... but actually members of .... the Teamsters!!! A known criminal organization!!!

92 posted on 10/18/2002 6:34:25 PM PDT by Yasotay
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To: jwalsh07
Then it's settled!.........

When do we throw the Revolution ...

HOLD IT....were'd everyone GO!....

93 posted on 10/18/2002 6:35:52 PM PDT by hosepipe
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To: Libloather
Michigan has to be in the top quartile. Sheesh, we have sinator half-glasses, sinator stabusnow, soon-to-be governor gladjen - all thanks to Wayne County.

Even my "representative", nick smith, is not worth the ballot he's printed on.

94 posted on 10/18/2002 6:41:46 PM PDT by mombonn
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To: dead
The birds sing stolen songs, the dogs dig up each other's bones, and the infants want hugs so they can lift your wallet.

Hey, apologize! You left me laughing so hard I was crying!

95 posted on 10/18/2002 6:47:28 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: Libloather
This is a tough one. I live in CT , not only did we have Joe LIEbermann run against a child molester in our last senate electon, [what a Hobson's choice that was], but we're surrounded on all sides by even more corrupt states ... NY - Home of the Xlintoons, Mass - Home of Teddy-the-Hut , VT - home to Jumpin Jim and the first state to condone "same sex marriages" and RI where you have to be mobbed up to even consider holding a public office. Why don't we just saw this whole NE corridor off the rest of the continent and watch it drift out to sea.
96 posted on 10/18/2002 6:51:08 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Libloather
Florida?!?! Hello?!?! Land of SC thats write law to elect democrat presidents, counties who are missing 18 brand new voting machines, counties that have lost 900K they need to run the election in November and might have to cancel it.

Beat that!!! :-)))))
97 posted on 10/18/2002 6:52:48 PM PDT by Brytani
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To: Libloather
This is really unfair. Once again, the lack of statehood for DC is depriving us of our rightful honors in this regard. We even elect two "senators" and have them on the District payroll, just like we would if we were a real state.

98 posted on 10/18/2002 6:54:19 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: jenny65
[Did you purposely forget our honerable governor?]

I know he is corrupt, too but the others make him look like a piker.
99 posted on 10/18/2002 7:08:20 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
Missouri - we elect dead men and we keep the polls open late at night so EVERYONE can vote! Not too long ago they also found a demorat get out the vote person who was turning in piles of voter registration cards full of dead people living at vacant lots.

Also voter registration cards for under-aged dogs, too.
100 posted on 10/18/2002 7:14:28 PM PDT by Missouri
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