Could the West Nile Virus Outbreak Possibly be Terrorisim?

USGS ^ | 10/19/02

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West Nile Virus Map - 2002

Terrorist Cell Map-2002

[SubMareener]

Looks as if they missed a cell in New Orleans!

[bonesmccoy]

And, if all cells are involved, Seattle and San Francisco missed the diagnosis.

[areafiftyone]

NO - West Nile has been around (at least recorded) since the 1930's.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

An earlier Thread West Nile may be mutating, expert says -- 'Something peculiar' about 4 U.S. deaths

[texasbluebell]

Looks like the Heartland was hit pretty hard...

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

It being around stops Bin Loon Laden or So Damn Insane from buying it and storing it in a vile and releasing it as terrorisim?

So you think it is a natural occurance? Interesting.

[American in Israel]

Statisticly this is over the top. Not looking good. If indeed Biowarfare has been used inside America, as this startling pair of maps indicate, It is past time for Mecca to glow in the dark.

Bit by bit the pieces of the puzzle are falling into place. If this is public, what does the government know and hide?

[fone]

I've pondered this question often. You live in the NE Ohio area, and this summer (in Ashtabula county anyway) was VERY unusual...NO mosquitos... almost zero. I live out in the sticks, and get home from work often around dark. I like to sit out on the porch for awhile and listen to the quiet. Only once this year did I need bug spray, just after one heavy rain we got. Very bizzare.

Back to your thesis, this scenario is very possible. Fox Channel 8 had an "unplugged" show a month or two back, featuring some doctors etc. discussing the issue. A caller asked (to the effect) what was the genesis of this virus? The panel stammered a bit, and never really had a coherent answer of how the virus began. One person did offer a sort of cross contamination theory (akin to the zebra mussels coming in from overseas ships).

The media hype on this is a bit extreme. 20,000 people a year die from influenza (so a doctor recently told me); I've talked to a number of elderly people who were frightened to death (no pun defended) to go outside after dusk.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

OR terror cells in the area were waiting for a vile fed exed from a cave or palace...

[fone]

See my post #9. I'd be interesting in knowing about the 1930's connection. Many bizzare chemical experiments went on back then. I'm not implying here that it was intentional, just haphazard at times.

[fone]

Also noted on the map the outbreaks travel along water routes. Makes nothing but sense to me, mosquitoes + water = breeding. Duh

[areafiftyone]

It is a natural occurance. It is not a man-made or human made virus. It was first found in Uganda in 1937. It is an Arbovirus. Arbovirus are viruses spread from blood feeding insects.

[bonesmccoy]

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5140a4.htm#fig

[areafiftyone]

A woman was the first one to that they isolated in 1937 on the West Nile of Uganda. That means it could have been around for many many years before.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

****Looks like the West Nile Virus Map needs updated.****

West Nile reaches West Coast

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- The number of human cases of West Nile virus reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has risen to 954, including an infection in a California woman that marks the first emergence of the mosquito-borne malady on the West Coast, the agency announced Saturday.

Los Angeles County health officials said Friday it was "highly likely" that the case of a young woman who developed meningitis in August but later recovered was due to West Nile. They are still investigating three other reported cases in the county that could be West Nile.

West Nile reaches West Coast

[bonesmccoy]

That's old news.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

Ohio has the largest case last I read the local section pf paper (but I have been working alot and have not stayed up to date. That is part of the reason I am started this thread.

I think it was 2 summers ago (I also live in the stix) Blue birds were dropping dead out of the air like mad.

[Quix]

I don't know that the maps are THAT convincing for me. But I didn't need convinced in the first place. It seems exceedingly logical given all we know about Iraq etc. that West Nile is terrorism.

Evidently it's not convenient for the government to acknowledge this. If they don't know it, someone is incompetent IMHO. If they know it and are avoiding admitting it for silly reasons, shame on them.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

I know that. I was posting it TO UPDATE as some were jumping in with well looks like it didn't hit here or there...

[bonesmccoy]

You don't have any actual scientific documents to back up your assertion... do you?

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

What was the anthrax attack? Will we ever know? What point do they not release info. for cause of panic?

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

According to a man who fills in for Rush Limbaugh, former mayer of Sandiego, our brilliant beuarocrats gave Castro some West Nile Virus samples back in the 90s I think it was. Castro showed an interest in curing West Nile Virus. Isn't it great the way the world is getting along so well?

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

So has smallpox why is our country prepping for vaccination storage? Because it can return naturally,? no, because wackos have viles of it.

[Mr. Mojo]

[Fiddlstix]

Bump

[Maelstrom]

Very good.

Review my comments from the past on this subject.

[RBurke]

My thinking is it is a distinct possiblity. I remember an article in the London Times (a few years ago) warning of a future Islamic attack using a manipulated virus-and a version of West Nile showed up shortly after that. Yes West Nile virus has been around for years, but I think this is a different version of it--which is precisely what terrorists try to do to affect new bio weapons; take an old virus and make a newer, more virulent strain of it.

Look in the London Times past issues beginning in 1999. I think Jessica Stern was one of the authors of some of those published warnings.

It's kinda like the Anthrax incident-Someone tries to kill large groups of people but they arent very adept at manipulating the virus. So far so good, for us!

[marsh2]

Isn't the purpose of terrorism to affect a change in political policy through fear in response to the threat of harm (or death) to persons or property? If so, any terrorists who may have done this have failed to adequately tie their actions to the desired policy they wish to change.

No, I don't think it is an intentional act of terrorism.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

I apparently had it only half-right. We gave samples to Iraq. Saddam and Castro appear to be good buddies.

Here are some links....

http://www.haciendapub.com/betan.html

http://www.nocastro.com/Terrorism/westnile5.htm

http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorintelligence/usgavevirus.html
--- gave samples to Iraq, who might have given them to Cuba


Daily Home - A gift Iraq can't wait to return

... Incredibly stupid comes to mind as we gave the samples to Iraq. ...

www.dailyhome.com/columnists/2002/ dh-denisesinclair-1011-dsinclair-2j10t5307.htm

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

No, I don't think it is an intentional act of terrorism.

How about an international act of extermination?

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

I think it is a highly distinct possibility. I started this thread to discuss and gather all the information.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

These were the links I was looking for, thanks.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

BumPing for comments and research.

[MeekOneGOP]

[Alamo-Girl]

Volley bump!

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

There are many facets of terrorism. While the main definition involves (a logical) political cause. Since when has the terrorism of today been logical, with that of Saddam Hussein and Usama Bin Laden? They hate us and they will kill themselves to meet 72 virgins. There is no logic in this type of vile hate.

ter·ror·ism-

n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

terrorism-

\Ter"ror*ism\, n. [Cf. F. terrorisme.]

The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation. --Jefferson.

terrorism

n : the systematic use of violence as a means to intimidate or coerce societies or governments

terrorism

People who strap bombs to their body;crash planes into tall buildings; buy, store, and intend to kill utilizing biological weapons in killing others, with no logic or reasoning or intent other than vile hatred and too much hashish in the bong awaiting 72 virgins.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

Thanks for the updated map. It seems the terrorists and the West Nile Virus lack in the same area.

[relee]

Looks like the mosquitoes are taking I-80 West and I-95 North and South from the NYC area.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the information!

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

And they go by the names Saddam or Usama...but they lost their turbans!!!

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

See maps in post 39.

[Quix]

THEY might say to avoid panic.

I say they don't to maintain control, CONTROL, CONTROL!!!

And to avoid embarrassment over flaws in their approach etc. Minimize diplomatic hassles . . . etc.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

A quick study of the maps in 39....I would guess Arizonia is next in experiencing the West Nile Virus, if they haven't already.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

See the maps in post 39.

[bonesmccoy]

Alert Arizona freepers... tell them to look for a bunch of new crows circulating around. If we a sudden increase in the number of dead crows, test the dead crows and find West Nile, then you could begin to suspect bioterrorism. Until you find the dead birds... there's not much to it.

[RightOnTheLeftCoast]

Very possibly. But the map doesn't tell the story... the timeline must be added.

This year's WNV infestation began... guess where... right adjacent to the U.N.

Certainly, some posters are correct: there's nothing new about WNV. But it's new here, and it was brand-new when the first infestation was detected in the U.N.'s neighborhood.

And, gee, guess what country more than any other has a grievance against the U.N.? Hm. Let's see, what country with known bioterrorism R&D has been subjected to U.N. sanctions for a decade now... I'm thinking... I'm thinking...

[fatima]

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[aristeides]

If the government admits it's terrorism, then the MAD policy requires it to respond to the responsible party. For the time being, the government is apparently unwilling either to do this or to disavow the MAD policy.