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Father Torches Car in Protest Over Child Support
Anchorage Daily News ^ | October 18, 2002 | Tataboline Brant

Posted on 10/20/2002 7:46:13 AM PDT by RogerFGay

Edited on 07/07/2004 4:48:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

CHILD SUPPORT: Officials say suspect had threatened staff before.

Two floors of the 19-story Atwood Building were evacuated Thursday morning after a man parked his blue Mercedes near the building's entrance, doused the car with gasoline and set it ablaze.


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Blatantly bigoted editorial.
1 posted on 10/20/2002 7:46:13 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: JimKalb; Free the USA; EdReform; realwoman; Orangedog; Lorianne; Outlaw76; balrog666; DNA Rules; ...
Blatantly bigoted editorial.
2 posted on 10/20/2002 7:46:42 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Orual; aculeus; general_re
Tataboline alert.
3 posted on 10/20/2002 7:50:12 AM PDT by dighton
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To: RogerFGay
"Child support workers in the building have been afraid of something like this,"

So they KNOW how much they're hated?

It was upsetting to staff members. ... These are just people trying to do their job."

So were the guards at Treblinka.

"We're certainly aware that some people don't like what we do,"

I can't imagine THAT! People don't like being robbed??!!

"People shouldn't have to be afraid to come to work,"

On the contrary, they SHOULD, if their "job" involves stealing money from people in the name of the State.

4 posted on 10/20/2002 8:01:25 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: dighton
What kind of name is Tataboline?
5 posted on 10/20/2002 8:01:44 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay; Orual; aculeus; general_re

What kind of name is Tataboline?

An extremely unusual or unique one, belonging (I'd guess) in the category of "invented to attract attention." Google turns up only Ms. Brant for that "Tataboline."

BTW, I'm not giving an opinion about her article, just pinging a few name-collectors.

6 posted on 10/20/2002 8:17:17 AM PDT by dighton
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To: RogerFGay
"These are just people trying to do their job"

Jones and Heimmler were a good meticulous clerks.

7 posted on 10/20/2002 8:23:30 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: RogerFGay
Office workers didn't take any chances Thursday morning when they saw Magby's distinctive car on fire. The second and third floors where the enforcement division has offices were evacuated.

Any bets on whether they advised anyone else to evacuate the building?...

8 posted on 10/20/2002 8:30:25 AM PDT by null and void
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To: RogerFGay
She was named after her tata's...
9 posted on 10/20/2002 8:31:55 AM PDT by null and void
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To: JimKalb; Free the USA; EdReform; realwoman; Orangedog; Lorianne; Outlaw76; balrog666; DNA Rules; ...
Tataboline Brant's article about Jed Magby's protest over child support was blatantly bigoted. Federal funding for child support enforcement is provided in proportion to the amount of child support paid. Child support formulae have replaced rational law in deciding child support amounts. Due process is dead. The formulae produce arbitrarily high child support awards. No reasonable and informed person could agree that amounts ordered as "child support" today are generally "valid." Every form of protest has been tried and millions of appeals have been filed to no avail. By refusing to acknowledge the corruption in the child support system and the legitimate complaints of fathers in the press, writers like Tataboline Brant cut off access to the remaining established institution for peacefully addressing grievances. Men in Alaska and throughout the rest of the United States feel that they have no choice but to consider other forms of protest. I sincerely believe that most child support enforcement workers know that what they are involved in is wrong, yet they continue to do it. If nothing else, it's their job. State Department of Revenue deputy commissioner Larry Persily knows that maintaining public support requires blaming the victims. I certainly hope that Anchorage Daily News will publish many letters to the editor and counterpoint op-eds to bring some balance to blatantly bigoted coverage of the event.

225 words max, letters to the editor
10 posted on 10/20/2002 8:32:39 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
Every time I see an article like this, I am glad I dont have any children. I have come to consider children as the conduit of government intrusion into the life of an individual.

Kids are wonderful things, but I feel very fortunate not to have any.

11 posted on 10/20/2002 8:36:29 AM PDT by BuddhaBoy
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To: RogerFGay
ahh more fallout from the "great society" initiative of the 60's. It went from trying to help women without husbands to outright discouraging women from having husbands. Fathers went from a family pillar to a family burden.

Well done democrats.
12 posted on 10/20/2002 8:37:59 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: RogerFGay; no one in particular
Just out of curiosity, does Alaska have the same charming custom of revoking driver licenses for failure to pay child support that other states (like California, for example) have?

Torching one's own car might be a pretty to-the-point way of expressing displeasure with this particular policy...
13 posted on 10/20/2002 8:39:31 AM PDT by null and void
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To: BuddhaBoy
Kids are wonderful things, but I feel very fortunate not to have any.

I feel very fortunate to have two.

Even now when I have $2200 a month due in child support, and no job...

14 posted on 10/20/2002 8:42:43 AM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
Just out of curiosity, does Alaska have the same charming custom of revoking driver licenses for failure to pay child support that other states (like California, for example) have?

States are quite uniform in the unconstitutional things they do in relation to child support. That's because the whole system is now driven by federal funding. When you read an article about local officials coming up with an idea on their own initiative -- they're lying.
15 posted on 10/20/2002 8:46:02 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
When you read an article about local officials coming up with an idea on their own initiative -- they're lying.

Still, it's a great way for a Washington bureaucrat to float a trial balloon, and have a low level flunky take the heat...

16 posted on 10/20/2002 8:53:49 AM PDT by null and void
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To: RogerFGay
The men's right crowd here on FR steadfastly refuses to acknowledge the single biggest flaw in its approach. The inner workings of the family have traditionally been seen as outside the domain of the state. It is divorce more than anything else which invites the state to interfere in areas in which it has no business, and in which it more likely to do harm than good. Revising child custody laws will do absolutely nothing to correct the situation. In fact, I think such policies may have the effect of further devaluing the importance of motherhood to society.

You men want an easy way out. Work on your marriages more, and you won't have to deal with these problems in the first place.

17 posted on 10/20/2002 8:58:05 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: null and void
Still, it's a great way for a Washington bureaucrat to float a trial balloon, and have a low level flunky take the heat...

They've been doing it far too long now to think of any of it as trial balloons. One of the reasons these old ideas are presented locally is to give the impression that they're new ideas -- they're lying. They're also pretending that the Constitution is still in effect; like that our lives are not really controlled by central committees and "Great Architects" just like Stalins USSR and Mao's China.
18 posted on 10/20/2002 9:03:00 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: independentmind
I take it you're a divorced women with children, or are very close to someone who is.
19 posted on 10/20/2002 9:04:15 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: dighton; Orual; aculeus
...just pinging a few name-collectors.

Wee need to see about introducing some of these people to each other. "Mr. and Mrs. Hampig and Tataboline Sassounian" has a very nice ring to it.

20 posted on 10/20/2002 9:05:27 AM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
Wee!
21 posted on 10/20/2002 9:06:16 AM PDT by general_re
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To: dighton; aculeus; general_re
Name noted and filed. Thought that Tataboline might be an Alaskan native name, but a check of the tribes and first names didn't reveal anything even close. If you do a search for Tata and Alaska, a large number of results will appear. I did find a first name of Tata and one of Bollin, whatever use that may be. I once read that a woman named her daughter Cellardoor because she liked the sound of the words. Maybe Ta's (that's her nickname) Mom just liked the sound of it.
22 posted on 10/20/2002 9:08:05 AM PDT by Orual
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To: independentmind
You men want an easy way out. Work on your marriages more, and you won't have to deal with these problems in the first place.

Does that include the times that women in a marriage are impregnated by other men and then decide to get a divorce so they can go out at night and "party" even more?

23 posted on 10/20/2002 9:11:25 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: independentmind
You men want an easy way out. Work on your marriages more, and you won't have to deal with these problems in the first place.

Come back and talk to us when you have been there and done that...

24 posted on 10/20/2002 9:12:46 AM PDT by null and void
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To: RogerFGay
I'm not divorced, not married and don't have any children. I may have a more long-term perpective on divorce than you do, though, because my grandparents were divorced. I have a pretty thorough understanding of what it does to the children involved.

What you don't want to face is the fact that sometimes we have to pay a long-term price for serious mistakes in judgment. Instead of trying to prevent others from making the same mistakes, you are advocating a band-aid, feel good solution that will most likely aggravate the underlying problem--the failure to sustain lifelong, committed marriages. There's just no way around the fact that such marriages are the bedrock of a healthy society.

25 posted on 10/20/2002 9:13:14 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: independentmind
It is divorce more than anything else which invites the state to interfere in areas in which it has no business, and in which it more likely to do harm than good.

I actually agree with you, though you may not like the reasons why. I happen to think that because of the current legal conditions for men in this country, that they would be FOOLISH to consider marriage at all.

Marriage and children are largely a free pass for the State to remove a man's rights. A man unmarried and childless like myself, can only empathize with those men being taken to the cleaners by a spouse, and I advise every man I meet AGAINST marriage, until the laws change.

This will likely take a generation of women not finding husbands (and understanding why they cant) before something is done. The only things that can protect a man from a scornful woman these days is a vasectomy, and a refusal to consider marriage.

26 posted on 10/20/2002 9:16:35 AM PDT by BuddhaBoy
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To: null and void
Having been there and done that sometimes doesn't allow one much objectivity, particularly when there are emotional wounds involved.
27 posted on 10/20/2002 9:16:39 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: independentmind
I'm not divorced, not married and don't have any children.

The best "authorities" on child rearing are always people who don't have any of their own...

28 posted on 10/20/2002 9:17:28 AM PDT by null and void
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To: independentmind
Having been there and done that sometimes doesn't allow one much objectivity, particularly when there are emotional wounds involved.

True.

29 posted on 10/20/2002 9:19:46 AM PDT by null and void
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To: FormerLurker
Does that include the times that women in a marriage are impregnated by other men and then decide to get a divorce so they can go out at night and "party" even more?

Back up a step. Who picked the woman?

30 posted on 10/20/2002 9:20:06 AM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: independentmind
You're attempting to justify government corruption by changing the subject. Certainly, divorce causes problems. But that in no way justifies government corruption. It isn't even logical to support government making things worse by stating that in many cases things are pretty bad already.
31 posted on 10/20/2002 9:20:26 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: null and void
I'm not an authority on child-rearing, nor was I offering any advice on the subject. It's interesting, though, that you think a single woman should have no standing on this issue.

In case you haven't noticed, this country is raising children today that are little more than barbarians. Use your imagination and think about why a single woman might be particulary cncerned about that development.

32 posted on 10/20/2002 9:23:05 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: independentmind
You men want an easy way out. Work on your marriages more, and you won't have to deal with these problems in the first place.

Pretty narrow-minded viewpoint, IMHO. Doesn't even begin to cover my particular case. I was married for 16 years, fathered 3 wonderful children, and my wife destroyed it all by cheating on me, all to feed her ego about having control over men. I treated her like a queen, was faithful to her, and never considered cheating on her, tried very hard to provide a loving and safe home for her and the kids. The fact that my kids have become such wonderful, loving adults, who would make any man burst with pride, is in no way a result of their mother's blatant disregard for our marrige vows, or the damage that was inflicted not only on me but on my kids when the marriage was ended. I paid out over $50,000 in child support, reduced my lifestyle to the minimum in order to pay it, and now, 11 years after the divorce, I'm still digging out from under the financial devastation I suffered. All together, my divorce cost me over $100,000. Don't talk to me about men taking their responsibilities seriously, because I DID!!! Women have just as much responsibility for making the marriage work as men do.

I would venture to say that the Feminist elements who have fed a load of crap to the women of this country share a large protion of the blame for the state of affairs we have now. It makes me sick, and I'm still single after 11 years because I can't seem to find a woman who has her head screwed on straight. This whole "liberation" movement has produced a generation of women (and men) with severely bruised spirits, and very irrational ideas about relationships, marriage, and responsibility. The damage will take several generations to undo, IF we start now. I don't see that happening.

33 posted on 10/20/2002 9:23:45 AM PDT by nobdysfool
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Eh...Am I the only one to think it strange that a man who OWES $50,000 in child support would choose to set his OWN MERCEDES on fire?

Hmmmm...
This man is indefensible.
34 posted on 10/20/2002 9:28:11 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: independentmind
It's interesting, though, that you think a single woman should have no standing on this issue.

I find it interesting that you believe experience equals bias...

35 posted on 10/20/2002 9:28:37 AM PDT by null and void
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To: Happygal
See my post #13. Doesn't by any means justify it, but there might be a connection in his little pea brain...
36 posted on 10/20/2002 9:30:43 AM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
Have you tried going to court to enter a motion for reduction in your payment amounts since you don't have a job?
37 posted on 10/20/2002 9:31:43 AM PDT by mvpel
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To: null and void
Well maybe selling the Merc and getting a smaller car might have been a more clever option, eh?
:-)
38 posted on 10/20/2002 9:35:53 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: independentmind; All
I am an adult whose only real memories of my father were constant b!thcing and moaning about having to pay minimal child support. My father CHOSE to be more attatched to his money he was having to pay than he was in having a relationship with his children. We did not choose our circumstances they were forced on us.

Well when I needed a father, food, clothes, adequate shelter he was too busy to bother with us. Now the tables have turned on him. He is elderly, disabled in a wheelchair and still bitter about all the lost money he was forced to spend on his children. The only reason he isn't stuck in a nursing home alone somewhere is because I am a christian and have forgiven him all of the pain he has caused me.

You just might want to consider what seeds you are sowing now and what you may reap later.
39 posted on 10/20/2002 9:39:47 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: mvpel
Not yet. I will if I'm forced, but I want to support my children.

Unfortunately there is now way, repeat NO WAY, to insure that my support payments actually go to the kids.

Two weeks ago, I had to mak a special trip to deliver my son's only pair of shoes, so he could go to school. I bought him those shoes, even though his mother gets $1100 a month for his child support.

At least he has a roof over his head, and is eating...

40 posted on 10/20/2002 9:40:54 AM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
BTW..I know there are men who get a raw end of the deal in some child support instances.
But there are many, many men (particularly here in Ireland) who are getting away with blue murder.

For example, I have one friend who finally got the courage to throw her husband out after he had beaten her to a pulp in front of his three daughters. (For years before that she was a 'woman who walked into doors')

She now has to pay him half the value of their home, because he says he has no where to live since she kicked him out.
He has offered to pay her in court €50 a week (which is an insult) in child support for his three girls.

His wife works, earning just over the minimum wage, and relies on her family to help her financially, so she can get him out of her life.

That's why I have little sympathy for men who torch Mercedes instead of embracing their responsibilities to their children.
41 posted on 10/20/2002 9:41:38 AM PDT by Happygal
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To: Happygal
That's why I have a 17 year old car with 250,000 miles on the clock...
42 posted on 10/20/2002 9:42:14 AM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
She was named after her tata's...

Think she misspelled "bovine"?

43 posted on 10/20/2002 9:44:52 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: mvpel
Have you tried going to court to enter a motion for reduction in your payment amounts since you don't have a job?

HAHAHAHA!

Reduction??? In child support?? They don't give a sh!t whether you have a job or not.. All they want is the money.. When I went to court for child support on my second child the judge said it did not matter if I was paying support for another child or not. I still had to pay the same no matter what.. I have never heard of them lowering anyone's child support but if you get a better job they will hit you for more in a blink of an eye!

44 posted on 10/20/2002 9:47:46 AM PDT by scab4faa
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To: Happygal
I wish there were a fair system. Sounds like €50 would be a bargan, if he'd just stay away from them for that! Some people really shouldn't reproduce.

The system in the US is too far the other way, IMHO. No system will always be fair to everyone, but a better balance needs to be struck.

My heart goes out to your friend.

45 posted on 10/20/2002 9:49:20 AM PDT by null and void
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To: Happygal
.Am I the only one to think it strange that a man who OWES $50,000 in child support would choose to set his OWN MERCEDES on fire?

There's a good chance that he was going to lose the car anyway to repossesion. Sounds like this guy doesn't honor his obligations.

46 posted on 10/20/2002 9:54:01 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: scab4faa
Reduction??? In child support?? They don't give a sh!t whether you have a job or not.. All they want is the money..

I beg to differ. My ex, who violated our marriage vows numerous times, did exactly this. He found a good lawyer who convinced the judge to reduce his already meager child support payment to zero.

47 posted on 10/20/2002 9:57:07 AM PDT by Aracelis
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To: scab4faa
That said, have you entered the motion, or not? If you've entered the motion for a temporary reduction in child support due to having been laid off from your job, and they reject it, then you'll have a legitimate beef. If you haven't even bothered to enter the motion, then I don't think you do.
48 posted on 10/20/2002 9:58:22 AM PDT by mvpel
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To: Piltdown_Woman
What did they say at the hearing when the support was cut? What did you say?
49 posted on 10/20/2002 9:59:40 AM PDT by mvpel
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To: independentmind
Who takes the easy way out? 30 % of women seem to point the finger in the wrong direction. Mama's baby, Daddy's maybe....

http://www.paternityfraud.com/
50 posted on 10/20/2002 10:04:24 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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