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The Bible as 'hate literature' Canadians advance bill hate crimes (Is America Next?)
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | October 21, 2002 | Art Moore

Posted on 10/20/2002 10:16:33 PM PDT by USA21

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To: Demidog
They have made a lot of headway in persuading the public that this false analogy works, in part because black leaders --to build coalition--have accepted it. They more or less have to, because the media --where "gays" are highly represented--insist that this absurdity is true.
21 posted on 10/20/2002 11:39:38 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: USA21
"There's a huge difference between someone being allowed to practice their religion and taking out ads in the newspaper saying that gay and lesbian people are sick and immoral," said EGALE's Vance. "There is a line there, and it's been crossed."

Wow. I'm glad I don't live there.
22 posted on 10/20/2002 11:59:52 PM PDT by SicTransitGloriaMundi
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To: USA21
And the Koran is not hate literature???
23 posted on 10/21/2002 12:07:41 AM PDT by weegee
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To: USA21
In his letter to constituents, Robinson defends the necessity of the bill by using the example of American Fred Phelps, known for his website "www.godhatesfags.com." Robinson said that when Phelps wanted to come to Canada to "pursue his campaign of hatred against gay and lesbian people," Canadian police lamented that there was nothing in the criminal code to stop him.

Fred Phelps, despite his never-ending hate talk, continues to aid the cause of the Gay-stapo immeasurably. It just never ends.

Even though he and his miniscule congregation have no influence whatsoever, that jackass and his "church" members are a weeping cancerous lesion on the American religious and political scenes.

Rushfeldt also recalled instances in which the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council rules have been used to censure programs addressing homosexuality. In 1997, the council ruled that the airing of a James Dobson "Focus on the Family" program, called "Homosexuality: Fact and Fiction," violated the requirement that opinion, comment, and editorializing be presented in a way that is "full, fair, and proper."

The rules are "so vague," said Rushfeldt, "that if somebody says something that hurts feelings it can be considered a violation of the broadcast standards."

That's not quite true. There was a complaint filed against Bill Maher for comments about Jesus Christ and/or God and Catholics and/or Christians that were broadcast on a Canadian comedy channel. That was OK with them.

Anyone who read the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council censure of Dr. Laura Schlessinger for her comments about radical gay activists knows how mushy the Canucks are about thorny issues of incorrect speech.

From the decision, filed February 2, 2000, but strategically released to damage her upcoming TV show (bold mine; the multiple italized words are theirs):


The host’s perspective is clear and unambiguous. Whether the terms she uses are "abnormal", "aberrant", "dysfunctional", "disordered", "deviant", "an error" or the like, her terminology is clearly pejorative. She is unhesitatingly critical, negative and unambiguous and her words are as critical and unrelenting as she can make them. In the end, she is utterly rigid about a fundamental issue which goes to the nature, the essence of gays and lesbians. It is the view of the Councils that the host’s argument that she can "surgically" separate the individual persons from their inherent characteristics so as to entitle her to make comments about the sexuality which have no effect on the person is fatuous and unsustainable. As the [Canadian] Supreme Court has said, where an identifiable group of persons is "defined by an innate or unchangeable characteristic", it will be protected by the human rights provision of the broadcasters’ Code of Ethics in Canada just as all Canadians are protected by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The sexual practices of gays and lesbians are as much a part of their being as the colour of one’s skin or the gender, religion, age or ethnicity of an individual. To use such brutal language as she does about such an essential characteristic flies in the face of Canadian provisions relating to human rights.

Whether or not Americans are so protected in their country is a non-issue for the CBSC. Gays and lesbians are so protected in this country. Whether it is or is not the case in the United States, gays and lesbians constitute a group benefiting from overwhelming judicial and legislative acknowledgment of gay and lesbian rights, not to mention popular support, under the human rights provisions in this country. The words of Supreme Court Justice La Forest cited in the previous paragraph from his opinion in Egan v. Canada [1995] 2 S.C.R. 513 were applied by him in the context of a decision on the constitutional validity of a statute challenged as being in breach of the Charter’s protection of individuals based on their sexual orientation. He also held:

I have no difficulty accepting the appellants’ contention that whether or not sexual orientation is based on biological or physiological factors, which may be a matter of some controversy, it is a deeply personal characteristic that is either unchangeable or changeable only at unacceptable personal costs. [Emphasis added.]

Since the sexual practices of gays and lesbians define them as homosexuals and are inseparable from their personas, any attempt by the host to justify her statements on the basis that she is speaking about the practices rather than the individuals must fail. In other words, the Councils have no hesitation in concluding that the statements are discriminatory vis-à-vis gays and lesbians on the basis of their sexual orientation. While there may be uses of the terms "abnormal", "aberrant", "dysfunctional", "disordered", "deviant", "an error" and so on which could, in some circumstances, be reasonable, their sheer weight in these programs and the host’s unremittingly heavy-handed and unambiguously negative characterisation of those sexual practices is abusively discriminatory and in breach of the Code.


It's no wonder Michael Moore digs Canada so much.
24 posted on 10/21/2002 12:18:55 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: USA21
HATE CRIME! Hmmm, where do I remember hearing that phrase? Ah yes, the International Criminal Court will concern itself with crimes against humanity, hate crimes. Bill Clinton signed on for us at the midnight hour, it took Bush until the ICC was ratified over a full year after he come to power to come out against the ICC. These two acts were grave mistakes. The ICC exists. Sooner or later we will be at it's mercy. And it's rulings will be tied to things that our leadership will not want to mess with. We will live by it's edicts.
25 posted on 10/21/2002 12:23:26 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: A6M3
I don't have much use for anti-gay stuff from the Bible or anywhere else, but I do love living in a country where we have "the right to be wrong". There's a big difference between living in a country that fought for its freedom, and one that merely waited for the British to get tired of the weather and leave!
26 posted on 10/21/2002 12:27:33 AM PDT by hunter112
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To: USA21
The argument of separating the person from the behavior is their concept," insisted Kim Vance, president of Ottawa-based EGALE, Equality for Gays and Lesbians Everywhere. "In reality they are the same thing."

How rediculous. Up is down. Black is white. Humans are just animals and animals are as important as humans.

The real "reality" is that the idea, the activity, and the person are 3 seperate things. For example, you can hate Islam, the idea, without hating Muslims. You can hate communism, the idea, without hating communists. You can hate the act of homosexuality without hating gays.

What should be prohibited is acting on that hate. I think that this prohibition already exists since assault, arson, vandalism, murder and incitement are already against the law. What the gay unions want is to prohibit the freedom of expression and the freedom to conceive and express ideas. That is deplorable.

27 posted on 10/21/2002 12:38:24 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
What should be prohibited is acting on that hate. I think that this prohibition already exists since assault, arson, vandalism, murder and incitement are already against the law. What the gay unions want is to prohibit the freedom of expression and the freedom to conceive and express ideas. That is deplorable.

I think that Americans have to lose this idea that Canada is just like America, only colder and cleaner. Freedom of speech as Americans know it doesn't exist in Canada, and every so often something like this controversy happens to make that clear.

28 posted on 10/21/2002 12:48:42 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: USA21
. . .someone being allowed to practice their religion. . .

They way people word statements certainly does reflect their core beliefs: government occured first and made people to govern. There appears to be more than one flaw in that concept.

29 posted on 10/21/2002 1:08:15 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: Hemlock
Right-on!
30 posted on 10/21/2002 1:46:05 AM PDT by johnnybobs
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To: USA21
The absolute worst thing you can do to a practicing homosexual is remind them that they are trapped in a web of perversion.


31 posted on 10/21/2002 2:01:51 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: USA21
"... eliminate all vestages of discrimination and bias..." Very dangerous words.
32 posted on 10/21/2002 2:42:27 AM PDT by exnavy
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To: Nogbad
 

A self-described homosexual member of the House of Commons,
Svend Robinson,
is expected this week to reintroduce bill C-415,
which would add sexual orientation as a protected category
in Canada's genocide and hate crimes legislation.

It should be noted,
Svend Robinson is a strong supporter of Arafat,
whom he has visited many times at government expense.
________________________

 

 

Funny how it works out that way.

34 posted on 10/21/2002 3:02:23 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: txzman
"And I don't even own a gun. Yet."

Well, you better get going, before it's too late.

Carolyn

35 posted on 10/21/2002 3:21:55 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: A6M3
What do you expect from a Godless communist state such as Canada?

My thoughts exactly.

36 posted on 10/21/2002 3:23:31 AM PDT by watcher1
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To: USA21
"There is a line there, and it's been crossed." quote from Kim Vance, president of Ottawa-based EGALE, Equality for Gays and Lesbians Everywhere

the very words which may come back to her from God on judgment day.

37 posted on 10/21/2002 4:00:36 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: USA21
Yesterday you posted unsupported Breaking News headlines that a UN Army was being constructed. Today, it's outlawing the Bible in the US.
38 posted on 10/21/2002 4:10:50 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: USA21

 

Bible Quotes

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones,
and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.
But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourselves."
..........Numbers 31:17 (Moses)



40 posted on 10/21/2002 4:12:03 AM PDT by Deep_6
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