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1 posted on 10/21/2002 9:04:51 AM PDT by jern
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A fossilized electric shaver?
2 posted on 10/21/2002 9:06:38 AM PDT by zarf
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What's the evidence?
3 posted on 10/21/2002 9:08:11 AM PDT by nmh
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For the record, I reject the premise. No evidence nor objective scientific premise requries the rejection of the Four Gospels, plus other NT allusions, as "firsthand evidence."

Dan
How to Make Your Very Own Jesus

4 posted on 10/21/2002 9:08:20 AM PDT by BibChr
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I've gone out to the CNN website and they've got nothing. You've got no link. Give us something!
5 posted on 10/21/2002 9:16:26 AM PDT by Junior
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OK. Where's the direct evidence? Please provide links to posts like this!

pris0ner6

7 posted on 10/21/2002 9:22:37 AM PDT by prisoner6
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Yeah, I saw that. Turns out that Jesus lives in Puerto Rico. Come to think of it, I know a couple of them, maybe he's a Cuban?

Hmmm, who knows, but here is more evidence:


THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS PUERTO RICAN
His first name was Jesus
He was bilingual
He was always being harassed by the authorities

THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS BLACK
He called everybody "brother"
He liked Gospel
He couldn't get a fair trial

THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS JEWISH
He went into his father's business
He lived at home until he was 33
He was sure his Mother was a virgin, and his Mother was
sure he was God

THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS ITALIAN
He talked with his hands
He had wine with every meal
He worked in the building trades

THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS A CALIFORNIAN
He never cut his hair
He walked around barefoot
He started a new religion

THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS IRISH
He never got married
He was always telling stories
He loved green pastures

(and now the MOST Compelling EVIDENCE:)

THREE PROOFS THAT JESUS WAS A WOMAN
He had to feed a crowd, at a moments notice, when there was no food.
He kept trying to get the message across to a bunch of men who just didn't get it.
Even when he was dead, he had to get up because there was more work for him to do. 

10 posted on 10/21/2002 9:24:59 AM PDT by Paradox
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Maybe they're talking about Jesus Mendez.
14 posted on 10/21/2002 9:29:44 AM PDT by El Sordo
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I have all the evidence I need. The BIBLE !!
29 posted on 10/21/2002 9:40:21 AM PDT by Dustbunny
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They found his wallet?
35 posted on 10/21/2002 9:46:03 AM PDT by doctor noe
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And if Jesus didn't exist then how could Ted Turner hate him? Something for CNN to ponder.
37 posted on 10/21/2002 9:46:59 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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The history channel said he was just a right wing radical anyway.
If they found evidence, they'll claim he's responsible for the evil Christian right wing we have today. LOL
He was an "oppressive" leader. He taught people should learn to fish, rather than get fish welfare.
He was an evil gun owner of his day. He taught that if you didn't have a sword - sell your cloak and buy one.
He was a moral "bigot". "Intolerant" of homosexuals, whores, and other Satanic lifestyles of the left. He loved them enough to try to change them, though.
He was anti-abortion. He said if anyone hurts a little one, it would be better to have a millstone tied around their neck and be thrown into the sea.
Yep. He was a right wing radical. I'm sure the left will be right there to demonize his remains. LOL
38 posted on 10/21/2002 9:47:09 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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I apologize in advance for my comment which may seem esoteric, but here goes:

One of the underlying assumptions of the CNN report is that the only sort of evidence that is considered "hard" evidence is "stuff" such as buildings and (in this case) an ossuary.

Once again, literary documents from the ancient world are not given equal merit. And I am not referring here to the text of the New Testament and the oldest papyri that give evidence of it. Rather, I am referring to the two passages in Josephus (ca. 37--100 AD) that mention Jesus. The first one mentions this James the brother of Jesus by name. And the second one summarizes the ministry of Jesus. Most scholars consider that second text in Josephus to have been emended by Christians, but nevertheless there is a core text that goes back to Josephus. So my point is that, for those who are interested in such things, there already existed "direct evidence for Jesus."

42 posted on 10/21/2002 9:49:53 AM PDT by Remole
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The first century Jewish historian Josephus recorded that ``the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, James by name,'' was stoned to death as a Jewish heretic in A.D. 62. If his bones were placed in an ossuary that would have occurred the following year, dating the inscription around A.D. 63.

This is not the only reference to Jesus in Josephus' works. A non christian, Josephus also referred to Jesus directly as being a teacher from Nazareth who performed many miracles.

45 posted on 10/21/2002 9:51:58 AM PDT by skeeter
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What? Did they actually pick up and READ the Bible? /sarcasm
71 posted on 10/21/2002 10:36:06 AM PDT by rintense
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The first "direct evidence? Could CNN have forgotten about the Shroud of Turin?

I kinda doubt that they'll find any "direct evidence" that's more compelling.

103 posted on 10/21/2002 12:07:18 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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Archeologists Report Direct Evidence of Mohammed


109 posted on 10/21/2002 12:14:54 PM PDT by montag813
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CNN bought into this also. I think there is a chance we are being scammed.
134 posted on 10/21/2002 12:54:53 PM PDT by RightWhale
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Jesus' name is on ancient box

It could be the oldest archaeological link to Christ, scholar says

10/21/2002

Associated Press

WASHINGTON - A burial box that was recently discovered in Israel and dates to the first century could be the oldest archaeological link to Jesus Christ, said a French scholar whose findings were published Monday.

An inscription in the Aramaic language - "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus" - appears on an empty ossuary, a limestone burial box for bones.

Andre Lemaire said it's "very probable" that the writing refers to Jesus of Nazareth. He dates the ossuary to A.D. 63, three decades after the crucifixion.


A detailed view of an inscription in Aramaic reading, 'James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus,' appears on an empty ossuary, or limestone burial box for bones, in this undated handout photo.
(AP)
Mr. Lemaire, a specialist in ancient inscriptions at France's Practical School of Higher Studies, published his findings in the November-December issue of Biblical Archaeology Review.

Style backs theory

The Rev. Joseph Fitzmyer, a Bible professor at the Catholic University of America who studied photos of the box, agrees with Mr. Lemaire that the writing style "fits perfectly" with other first-century examples. The joint appearance of these three famous names is "striking," Mr. Fitzmyer said.

"But the big problem is, you have to show me the Jesus in this text is Jesus of Nazareth, and nobody can show that," he said.

Mr. Lemaire writes that the distinct writing style, and the fact that Jews practiced ossuary burials only between 20 B.C. and A.D. 70, puts the inscription squarely in the time of Jesus and James, who led the early church in Jerusalem.

The names were common, but Mr. Lemaire estimates that only 20 Jameses in Jerusalem during that era would have had a father named Joseph and a brother named Jesus.

Moreover, naming the brother as well as the father on an ossuary was "very unusual," Mr. Lemaire wrote. There's only one other known example in Aramaic. Thus, this Jesus must have had some unusual role or fame - and Jesus of Nazareth certainly qualified, Mr. Lemaire said.

However, Kyle McCarter, a Johns Hopkins University archaeologist, said it's possible the brother was named because he conducted the burial or owned the tomb.

The archaeology magazine said two Israeli government scientists conducted a detailed microscopic examination of the surface and the inscription, reporting last month that nothing undercuts first-century authenticity.

Mr. Lemaire's assertion was attacked by Robert Eisenman of California State University, Long Beach, who, unlike most scholars, thinks that "Jesus' existence is a very shaky thing." Because Mr. Eisenman is highly skeptical about New Testament history, he considers the discovery "just too perfect."

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Biblical Archaeology Society
(Official Web site)
Virtually all that is known about Jesus comes from the New Testament. No physical artifact from the first century related to him has been discovered and verified.

James is depicted as Jesus' brother in the Gospels and as head of the Jerusalem church in the Book of Acts and Paul's epistles.

First-century Jewish historian Josephus recorded that "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, James by name," was stoned to death as a Jewish heretic in A.D. 62. If his bones were placed in an ossuary the inscription would have occurred the next year, about A.D. 63.

Until now, the oldest surviving artifact that mentions Jesus is a fragment of Chapter 18 in John's Gospel from a manuscript dated about A.D. 125. It was discovered in Egypt in 1920.

There are numerous surviving manuscripts of New Testament portions from later in that century. Jesus was mentioned by three pagan authors in Rome in the early second century and by Josephus in the late first century.

Owner stays anonymous

The ossuary's owner required Mr. Lemaire to shield his identity, so the box's location was not revealed. Nor is anything known about its history over the last 19 centuries, one reason for Mr. McCarter's caution.

Biblical Archaeology Review editor Hershel Shanks said skepticism is to be expected. "Something so startling, so earth-shattering, raises questions about its authenticity," he said.

Mr. Shanks said the owner bought the box about 15 years ago from an Arab antiquities dealer in Jerusalem who said it was unearthed south of the Mount of Olives. The owner didn't realize its potential importance until Mr. Lemaire examined it last spring.

Mr. Lemaire, who was raised Roman Catholic, said his faith did not affect his judgment, because he studies inscriptions only "as a historian - that is, comparing them critically with other sources."

The magazine is negotiating to display the box in Toronto during a major convention of religion scholars in late November, and possibly in the United States.


Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stories/102202dnnatjesus.dea50535.html

221 posted on 10/22/2002 1:22:21 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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Moreover, naming the brother as well as the father on an ossuary was ``very unusual,'' Lemaire says. There's only one other known example in Aramaic. Thus, this particular Jesus must have had some unusual role or fame - and Jesus of Nazareth certainly qualified

ROFL!!!! They call an inscription with the name Jesus on it direct evidence? What a joke! Looks like folks are grasping for straws to keep the myth alive before it goes the way of the dinosaur as people slowly become educated with facts.

The Jesus myth has been debunked many times over due the enormous lack of evidence that SHOULD be there and SHOULD be easy to find if it were true. That is more than enough proof to know that it isn't true. Tiny scraps of evidence point more to fraud or coincidence than anything else. I'm sure many man by the name of Jesus existed during these times, but the Jesus of Nazareth no way. You have to ask yourself why anyone had to resort to fraud if he were really true?

238 posted on 10/22/2002 11:36:31 AM PDT by snowstorm12
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