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To: Junior
I've been in countless evolution/creationism debates, which never produce anything of value. Why? Because the creationist assumes his position as true and undeniable, so discussion is pointless. Whatever arguments you may offer about physics, biology, etc., they won't work, so don't bother. The argument will always come back to "Well, God doesn't have to obey the laws of physics." Well, ok, so then why do you need to provide a physical explanation of creation at all? Why does the Bible say creation happened in this way and not in that way? Even the creation story in Genesis is a primitive description of a physical process.
Whenever you point out a piece of evidence, such as the fossil record, they will say "Well, how do you know this is true?" (and attempt to "debunk" everything). Ok, so let's hold the Bible to the same standard. How do you know the story in the Bible is true? Of course, the answer is obvious: because the Bible is true, duh. And there you have it.
13 posted on 10/22/2002 4:11:28 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: billybudd; gore3000
To: Tribune7

Many posters, even many on this site, have vehmently expressed the view that Christianity held back the advancement of human progress,

The charge that Christianity has held back scientific progress is utterly ridiculous. Perhaps the best example of pagan materialistm is atomism. The fortuitous and mindless joining of atoms holds absolutely no prospects for scientific inquiry and neither does the fortuitous and mindless mutations held by present day materialists.

Only theories which deny mindlessness and propose order can be the source of scientific inquiry. It is this belief in order, in natural laws which as stated in our Declaration come from God that has proven to be the source of the scientific spirit and scientific progress in the Christian West.

12 posted on 9/15/02 6:07 AM Pacific by gore3000

14 posted on 10/22/2002 4:19:37 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: billybudd
I have to agree with you, Sir. If I'm debating someone, on ANY topic, and they interject God or the Bible as proof or evidence or as arguments; indeed if ANY religion comes up, I must end the debate. At that point, Faith and not Facts are being discussed, and Faith by its very nature is unprovable one way or another.

It scarecely matters what my OWN beliefs are. Once religion is used to debate fact, law, OR science, we have entered a theological, not scientific, discussion, and I am unwilling to be swerved like that.

15 posted on 10/22/2002 4:21:30 PM PDT by Long Cut
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To: billybudd
"Well, how do you know this is true?"

If the alleged scientist can simply glance at a vector in 3-space and say if it describes a potential field, I might listen further.

20 posted on 10/22/2002 4:47:22 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: billybudd
The thing that always bugged me is, where in the bible is God telling Adam (or one of his descendants) How He Did It? Because obviously, God didn't write Genesis. Some guy did. I would think that the story of God giving his Children the creation story is an important one. Why isn't that story in the Bible?
43 posted on 10/22/2002 6:10:21 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: billybudd
I've been in countless evolution/creationism debates, which never produce anything of value. Why? Because the creationist assumes his position as true and undeniable, so discussion is pointless.

I've also had the same argument...about the evolutionists.  They assume that their interpretation of available evidence is true and undeniable, so discussion is pointless.
80 posted on 10/23/2002 10:19:46 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: billybudd
I've been in countless evolution/creationism debates, which never produce anything of value. Why? Because the creationist assumes his position as true and undeniable, so discussion is pointless. Whatever arguments you may offer about physics, biology, etc., they won't work, so don't bother. The argument will always come back to "Well, God doesn't have to obey the laws of physics." Well, ok, so then why do you need to provide a physical explanation of creation at all?

The answer to uour question is quite simple; someone needs to provide an explanation because believers are challenged to do so. The greatest concern of most religious opponents of evolution is cultural, sociological and political, not scientific.

The best example of this is the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

When the Titanic was sinking, those who stayed aboard didn't sit down with slide rule and pencil to ascertain the nature and cause of their plight.

94 posted on 10/23/2002 12:06:17 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: billybudd
Give it up. f.Christian is clearly nuts.
So incredibly indelibly incomprehensible he's become more of a running joke than anything else. His posts are only coherent when he is quoting someone else.
175 posted on 10/24/2002 10:14:13 AM PDT by Saturnalia
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