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Teacher: African-Americans Most Poorly Behaved Students
NBC4.tv ^ | October 22, 2002

Posted on 10/22/2002 9:45:22 PM PDT by maxcygregg

LOS ANGELES -- A high school science teacher in Pasadena is on paid administrative leave for claiming in a letter to teachers that African-American students are the most poorly behaved at the school.

Scott Phelps has taught at John Muir High School for 12 years. He was put on leave Monday by the Pasadena Unified School District for what board member Ed Honowitz calls a "disturbing" letter placed in teachers' mailboxes on Friday.

Phelps denies he is racist, saying he was trying to make a point that standardized test scores will go down next year at Muir because ninth- and 11th-grade classes are primarily low socio-economic African-Americans lacking academic focus.

"If you look at their scores and track them over the years you will see that they're horrible,' Phelps said. "I'm not singling out a group. I'm not saying that low test scores are caused by low socio-economic students, I'm saying that low scores and low socio-economic students are directly related."

"There are cultural behaviors... but once you talk about it racist," said Phelps.

District spokesman Erik Nasarenko would only say there was an investigation into allegations of misconduct.

"People found the material within the email to be offensive. That is what is under investigation right now," said Nasarenko.

If misconduct is found, Phelps could be terminated.

Phelps wrote that "overwhelmingly, the students whose behavior makes the hallways deafening, who yell out for the teacher and demand immediate attention in class, who cannot seem to stop chatting and are fascinated by each other and relationships but not with academics ... are African-American."

"You can't classify whole groups of kids based on stereotypes," Horowitz said. "In addition, we need to do a good job educating every kid in this district no matter what background they come from."

The Muir student body is about 47 percent African-American and 42 percent Hispanic.


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To: maxcygregg
The teacher should buy copies of this to hand out to the adminstrators


51 posted on 10/23/2002 9:54:36 AM PDT by finnman69
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To: finnman69
"The Bell Curve" is full of $h!t. There's nothing wrong with black Americans that can't be attributed to one form or other of cultural malaise.
52 posted on 10/23/2002 10:13:58 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: john in missouri
Let me correct that statement:

"The Bell Curve" is full of $h!t. There's nothing wrong with black Americans that can't be attributed to one form or other of cultural malaise, or to lower levels of prenatal and early childhood nutrition, possibly including a lower incidence of breastfeeding among many black mothers.

IMHO *all* of the "bell curve" difference is resolvable if the right cultural factors and expectations were changed.

Genetic differences between races are small compared with the genetic differences between one individual and the next, even when the individuals compared are of the same race.

54 posted on 10/23/2002 10:21:35 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: maxcygregg
It's too late for all that. I think we just need to admit that they are incompatible with civilized society and stop persecuting those who point it out and those who do not want to live around them.

Too late? Hardly! On the contrary, when the forest is entirely full of dead wood, that is the time for a fire to begin.

For an entire generation, we've had the same tired bleatership running the same tired show, with the same tired non-results. The NAACP has been reduced to shadow-boxing a flag from 150 years ago. That's supposed to be "advancement of colored people?!"

All we need is a leader. One who can articulate conservatism to black people. Not Alan Keyes. He can't do it. Probably not Jesse Lee Peterson. He's headed in the right direction, but I think he's gotten a bit too stuck in a reaction mode to Jackson. Perhaps someone who interns under Peterson and then goes on to do his own thing. Someone with genuine character and communication.

A leader is all we're waiting for. He (or possibly she) may even be growing up, right here on this very board, even as we speak.

58 posted on 10/23/2002 10:38:58 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: john in missouri
.....I'm consistently disappointed to see close to 90% of blacks voting for whatever Democrapic candidate happens to be on the ballot......

The number cited above is 88%. My memory of the 2000 election is 94 or 95% BlackRat vote.

It would appear that perhaps there is some progress in the range of 6 or 7%. That is to say, there is an enlightment rate exceeding 6%. Many say the goal should be enlightenment of 10+%. It looks like there might be good progress.

59 posted on 10/23/2002 10:43:50 AM PDT by bert
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To: maxcygregg
I've seen the ghetto. It's a place of profound hopelessness.

That hopelessness is perpetuated by a litany of liberal lies, and the practices and ways of life that stem from those liberal lies.

One of those lies is that blacks "can't" achieve. I suggest you read the last line of my previous post until you understand it.

60 posted on 10/23/2002 10:47:18 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: john in missouri
Great post John - It's the culture that must change not the skin color.
61 posted on 10/23/2002 10:48:43 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: bert
It would appear that perhaps there is some progress in the range of 6 or 7%. That is to say, there is an enlightment rate exceeding 6%. Many say the goal should be enlightenment of 10+%. It looks like there might be good progress.

There is another characteristic of that 6 or 7%: given that seemingly the entire tide of black public opinion is against them, they are likely to be quite solid.

In other words, they're not just "along for the ride," as so many of the 90% are.

62 posted on 10/23/2002 10:52:07 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: john in missouri
...they're not just "along for the ride.....

There has been some thinking going on...... enlightenment requires some effort.

63 posted on 10/23/2002 11:27:52 AM PDT by bert
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To: bert
That is to say, there is an enlightment rate exceeding 6%. Many say the goal should be enlightenment of 10+%. It looks like there might be good progress.

I'd like to add to what you said: Under the right conditions, and with the right leadership, social ideas can change quickly. Under the right conditions, enlightenment can come much quicker than one would necessarily believe.

I can't immediately define the conditions, but it usually takes a well-organized, self-multiplying movement, or a dynamic leader, or a splash of some kind.

And if you get those 3 things together, you can get somewhere quickly.

64 posted on 10/23/2002 11:57:38 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: ladylib
Agree.
65 posted on 10/23/2002 12:43:50 PM PDT by lonestar
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To: All
Gosh, if I learned that my child's ethnic group (Jewish) was the worst behaved at school, there would be hell to pay FOR MY KID. I would read him the riot act and follow up with teachers to ensure that he got the message and wasn't contributing to the problem. What a concept. Personal responsibility.
66 posted on 10/23/2002 1:07:12 PM PDT by Inkie
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To: john in missouri
...Under the right conditions, and with the right leadership....

This is an important concept. I think that Free Republic is now providing an example of the "right conditions" and some "right leadership" appears to be growing. There are several posters who have begun an active campaign and I hope their popularity grows.

I suspect there are a great black people uncomfortable with the liberal message who might learn to be comfortable here.

67 posted on 10/23/2002 1:27:05 PM PDT by bert
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To: bert
ammend to "great many black people"
68 posted on 10/23/2002 1:29:02 PM PDT by bert
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To: john in missouri
For an entire generation, we've had the same tired bleatership running the same tired show,

It goes back further than a generation.

The defining point was near the turn of the century when Booker T. Washington was turned out in favor of W.E.B. DuBois and Marcus Garvey.

That they were communists is the important point....not that they were black.

BTW...your post #48 was super.

69 posted on 10/23/2002 1:55:13 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Jeff Chandler
You're being an ass.

This thread is sickening in the racist attitudes displayed.

I expect better of you people.

70 posted on 10/23/2002 1:59:03 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
You're being an ass.

Emotional outbursts do not add anything constructive to the conversation. (As an aside, lack of self-control among a particular group of students is exactly what the teacher in the article is concerned about. Ironic, eh?)

This thread is sickening in the racist attitudes displayed.

Could you cite some examples to back up your claim?

71 posted on 10/23/2002 2:27:52 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: Jeff Chandler
Emotional nothing. You are being an ass.

Your facile use of fake ebonic dialect was immature to say the least, and cowardly in its portrayal, since you don't own up to being the racist you are.

As far as the attitudes, yeah, they suck. Status blame is not what real conservatives or libertarians do - they look for the actions of the individual.

72 posted on 10/23/2002 2:37:31 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: john in missouri
Rome? Isn't that somewhere in Georgia?

No, ya derned fool! That's Athens!

73 posted on 10/23/2002 2:58:58 PM PDT by FormerLib
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Then Chris Rock must be an ass too, right?
74 posted on 10/23/2002 3:01:56 PM PDT by handk
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
While it is not constructive to paint a whole race with generalized negatives, at a particular school with a concrete and observable population, it could very well be accurate to say that the majority of disrupters are of a certain race, if the observable behavior of said disrupters supports that conclusion.

Individual responsibility is a core value of conservatives, but verifiable statistics derive from individuals who choose to exhibit the defined behaviors. To turn a blind eye to bad behavior by large groups of individuals, just because it is unpalatable to acknowledge these individuals largely come from one racial group, is to do these same individuals a disservice. Anyone behaving badly needs to own up and change. If more of those are black than white, then so be it. Prettying it up with denial only perpetuates the problem.

75 posted on 10/23/2002 3:03:47 PM PDT by Inkie
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
You are being an ass.

That's your reasoned refutation?

Your facile use of fake ebonic dialect was immature to say the least, and cowardly in its portrayal, since you don't own up to being the racist you are.

It's easy to label someone a racist. Might as well add the rest of the typical terms: sexist, homophobe, Eurocentric, male chauvanist, mean-spirited, etc.. They're so overused as tactical weapons that they've become meaningless.

As for my use of ebonics, I was parodying ONE MAN: Chief Moose, not an entire race. I was giving evidence of a possible affirmative action hiring situation. What else is one to infer from the use of ebonics by a man in the position of top cop? And why is it acceptable for this police chief to mispronounce "them" and "with", and practically any other word with "th" in it, yet racist of me to point it out?

Status blame is not what real conservatives or libertarians do - they look for the actions of the individual.

I was refering to the actions of an individual: Moose. You know, if there were no such thing as affirmative action, we wouldn't be questioning whether or not this is a case of it. We would still be shaking our heads and asking ourselves how a man could obtain a P.H.D. without ever having mastered such simple words, though.

I really don't understand why you're so angry with me over my imitation of Moose. I'm just giving you a sneak preview of a future SNL skit!

76 posted on 10/23/2002 3:04:57 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: bert

I don't know how much credibility you want to place in the exit polling of 2000 but here is the ethnic breakout ....


GORE BUSH BUCHANAN NADER
Are you:
% of total category % of category
81 White 43 53 1 3
10 Black 90 8 1 1
7 Hispanic/Latino 63 33 1 3
2 Asian 55 41 1 3
2 Other 57 37 0 4

http://members.cox.net/fweil/VNS2000National.html

77 posted on 10/23/2002 3:16:12 PM PDT by deport
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I noticed no one ridicules the accents of Dr. Walter Williams (who does not speak ebonics), Dr. Thomas Sowell (who does not speak ebonics), or even Sec. of State Colin Powell. No one doubts their credentials either.

There is an ongoing struggle between those who see value in formal English, and those who don't.

Those who value it were taught formal English in school, possibly also by parents at home, and taught to believe that lazy or sloppy English is something not to spoken lest others get the impression that you are uneducated, uncultured. Formal English was reinforced as "good." Lazy English was reinforced as "bad." They go on to use formal English at work and find that precision in communication is necessary. That accounts for the attitude of some that university degrees held by those who speak like the negro characters out of "Amos and Andy" are suspect.

Those who don't value formal English simply weren't taught the same way as those who do. Non-formal English was spoken at home, possibly at school too by most of the staff, was not reinforced one way or the other as either good or bad. It just was. Now out in the cruel world, they face rejection of the way they speak by those who were taught formally.

Williams has pointed out that the government run public schools have done a great disservice to all students but especially to blacks. If the KKK wanted to keep blacks down, they couldn't have come up with a better plan than the public schools which don't make the students speak formal English, and don't teach the basics.

The future of anyone who fails to learn to speak and write formal or standard English is at peril. It is just that simple. It is not racism because white illiterates are at peril too for the same reason. It happens that this time, it is not a white person's colloquialisms that are being made fun of.
78 posted on 10/23/2002 3:39:40 PM PDT by Jason_b
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To: deport
Thanks for posting the numbers.

One question..... are these national or for Florida? My recollection of 94-95% was for Florida. The posted number of 88% was also a Florida number.

If the 90% you posted is for Florida, there has not really been much enlightenment.

79 posted on 10/23/2002 4:14:41 PM PDT by bert
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To: Jason_b
....public schools have done a great disservice to all students but especially to blacks. If the KKK wanted to keep blacks down, they couldn't have come up with a better plan than the public schools which don't make the students speak formal English, and don't teach the basics.

Who you tawkin' to mutha fu*ka?

Chipanzees have a better vocabulary.

80 posted on 10/23/2002 4:21:08 PM PDT by stboz
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To: stboz
Yes, I know, "chimpanzees." It was intentional.

You wanna eata bannana?

81 posted on 10/23/2002 4:23:39 PM PDT by stboz
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To: bert
My bad those were national numbers..... sorry I mis understood the discussion.....

The Florida numbers are:


GORE BUSH BUCHANAN NADER
Are you:
% of total category % of category
73 White 40 57 0 2
15 Black 93 7 0 0
11 Hispanic/Latino 48 49 1 0
1 Asian 0 0 0 0
1 Other 0 0 0 0

82 posted on 10/23/2002 4:28:34 PM PDT by deport
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To: tcostell
All of the research from Thomas Sowell's "Ethnic America" backs up exactly what the teacher is saying. His assertion (meticulously documented) was that it is the minority culture of victim hood which is hurting Black people in America, and not racism. And that those minority groups who hold values like education and hard work as their core values (like the Japanese minority in California for example) continually out perform those that do not.

Bingo.

83 posted on 10/23/2002 4:32:33 PM PDT by mafree
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To: stboz
Intentional? Sure. I believe that.

Personally, I dread the prospect of posting typos.
I must proofread each of my posts 50 times just to avoid posting a typo.
And it still happens sometimes.

84 posted on 10/23/2002 5:22:45 PM PDT by Jason_b
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To: mafree
those minority groups who hold values like education and hard work as their core values (like the Japanese minority in California for example) continually out perform those that do not.

Just like it works for white people (mirabile dictu!).

85 posted on 10/24/2002 8:04:05 AM PDT by Inkie
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To: ChocChipCookie
It will be entertaining, to say the least, to watch school officials squirm their way out of this one.

What makes you think for one short second the neo-Stalinist chairing the Pasadena Unified School District school board will 'squirm' in the least?

They will fire the teacher publicly and with great theatrical indignation as a warning to anyone else so inclined to similar 'thought crime'.

Then they will fire anyone else who even looks at them funny as a result of the first termination.

Any show of public support for Phelps will be dismissed as 'hate speech'. Any public review of Phelps' dismissal will be labeled 'racist'.

86 posted on 10/24/2002 8:30:35 AM PDT by martin gibson
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To: FormerLib
No, ya derned fool! That's Athens!

Dang. And here I thought Athens was in Texas.

87 posted on 10/24/2002 8:33:44 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: Jeff Chandler
OOOOOOOh, Dude, you are, like, such a racist with all your hate speech when you could, like, do a little interpretive dance in order to, uh, celebrate diversity, like, uh, with all the oppressed peoples and wemyn and stuff. Like, because of the Nazis. And stuff.

C-c-c-can't we all j-j-j-just get along?

88 posted on 10/24/2002 8:44:55 AM PDT by martin gibson
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To: martin gibson
Phelps is a Cal Tech graduate who has dedicated his life to teaching in a deprived area high school. He could have had a very lucrative career with his qualifications, or at the very least, he could have had his pick of elite schools. But no. He chose to help those who really needed his gifts. What fools they will be to throw that away.
89 posted on 10/24/2002 4:15:50 PM PDT by Inkie
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To: john in missouri
What are "black issues?" How do conservatives go out there and REALLY FIGHT for the black vote?
90 posted on 10/24/2002 4:29:46 PM PDT by Wolfstar
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To: Restorer
In PC America, the patently obvious must be scrupulously ignored.
91 posted on 10/24/2002 4:35:16 PM PDT by MistrX
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To: martin gibson
Dude... you could, like, do a little interpretive dance...

I'm afraid that is not possible, for, you see, all the rhythm has been bred out of my people.

92 posted on 10/25/2002 12:06:00 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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