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FoxNews slams Military: Major Label of Sniper is "Army Vet" NOT "Islamic Sniper"
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Posted on 10/24/2002 10:18:49 PM PDT by xzins

This is outrageous!

The truth is that

1. Islamics blew up the World Trade Center
2. Islamics blew up a wing of the Pentagon in which many members of the ARMY died.
3. Islamics blew up the USS Cole in which US military died.
4. Islam is the issue with Al Quaeda and Bin Laden.

This man is JOHN MUHAMMED, an Islamic who was "sympathetic" to the 9/11 terrorists.

He's been out of the Army for years. He never received specialized training in sniping in the Army. He DIDN'T MAKE IT in the Army.

But the lead is: "Army Vet"

As a 20 year Army retiree, I deeply resent this, but I resent even more the politically correct culture that makes it impossible to call an islamic terrorist an islamic terrorist.


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KEYWORDS: correctness; fox; islam; labels; military; political; sniper; terrorism
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1 posted on 10/24/2002 10:18:50 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
Who is more likely to kill innocent americans
1. a practioner of islam
2. a follower of Farrakhan
3. US Army Veteran
2 posted on 10/24/2002 10:23:32 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: xzins
Lighten up. We don't know if this murderer is being considered or classified as an official Islamic terrorist. But we do know, he is a 10 year Army veteran. If he has any real connections to Islamic terrorism, that will eventually come out. It's very early in the final round of this investigation. Be patient.
3 posted on 10/24/2002 10:23:40 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: SpookBrat; Snow Bunny; VaBthang4; Logic n' Reason; rangerwife; MichaelP; Steelerfan; ...
ping

they could have called him a karate instructor, a robber, a lube/oil store manager....nope....Army Vet. But, of course -- we're all flippin' nutso!

The critical element is "islamic!" But they won't say it.
4 posted on 10/24/2002 10:25:39 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
Ok who said what that got you so upset? Greta? Come on what do you expect from her.

The coverage I saw, earlier in the evening on Fox, Brit Hume, Shepard Smith, and particularly Fred Barnes, was very clear in pointing out Johnny’s association with Islam.
5 posted on 10/24/2002 10:26:53 PM PDT by Kerberos
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To: joesnuffy
islam, farrakhan, or Army......let's see...

Army guys runnin' all over the place in this country randomly killing folks.

Hope the islamics come here and put them in their place!

6 posted on 10/24/2002 10:28:02 PM PDT by xzins
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To: Reagan Man
He is muslim which means he practices Islam. He is a terrorist by his actions. He is then an Islamic Terrorist. Any questions? Is there really a difference between an Islamic Terrorist who belongs to a gang or group? and one that is and very well might be connected to a group or cell or gang?

You are right. We need to be a bit patient..I will give the government until tomorrow to come out and tell us to move along..nothing to see here. Islam is peace. Bullshit.

7 posted on 10/24/2002 10:29:30 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: Reagan Man
I think most people here think (and some have thought throughout the killings) that the shooter is not some AQ agent sent straight from Osama's cave, but rather a wannabe, or sympathizer, or junior varisty second-tier peripheral player, kind of like the LAX shooter, the bus slasher, the acne plane crash kid, etc. The toll from these hangers-on is starting to add up.
8 posted on 10/24/2002 10:30:33 PM PDT by eno_
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To: Reagan Man
Be Patient.

Won't do it! This is sliming the people who are dying for you getting rid of these bastards.

He created terror AND he's Islamic = Islamic terrorist.

9 posted on 10/24/2002 10:30:34 PM PDT by xzins
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To: My Favorite Headache
Peaceful Islam

What a crock!

10 posted on 10/24/2002 10:31:49 PM PDT by xzins
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To: Kerberos
Fred Barnes was losing his mind..he was totally pissed before on Brit. I have never seen him so angry. Especially when talking about how no apologies or cares about everyone saying it was going to be some young white right wing gun toting nut.

Fred spoke the truth...the panel was a little shaken you could tell. Good on Fred. When Brit said to Fred that he was gonna get a ton of e-mail on it tomorrow Fred shrugged and did not care one bit.

We need more of Fred's in this country. The truth hurts sometimes.

11 posted on 10/24/2002 10:32:07 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: Kerberos
greta?

Nope....the current, early AM "newsbreak chick" whoever the heck she is.

But she's reading a teleprompter, so it's not her words -- it's Fox's words.

12 posted on 10/24/2002 10:33:31 PM PDT by xzins
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To: My Favorite Headache
"Fred Barnes was losing his mind..he was totally pissed before on Brit. "

Yeah Fred went off, it was pretty cool. I particularly liked it when the gal from NPR, whose name I can't remember, started to put her liberal slant on it, Fred shut her down pretty quick.

13 posted on 10/24/2002 10:35:43 PM PDT by Kerberos
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To: xzins
>>>This is sliming the people who are dying for you getting rid of these bastards.

I haven't heard Fox News "slime" anyone, especially not America's men and women in uniform. And I didn't ask anyone to join the military either. I just said be patient.

Now take your frustrations out on someone else, jerkface!

14 posted on 10/24/2002 10:39:13 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Kerberos
She started to laugh and Fred went nuts. Brit just let him run with it. It was obvious Mort and the liberal dunce had no balance to their side. Fred had every right to be pissed.
15 posted on 10/24/2002 10:39:14 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: xzins
"He created terror AND he's Islamic = Islamic terrorist."

Other things put this wacko over the top besides anti-western ideologies. A crude mix of evil. The Islamic angle to this incident is more incidental than fundamental, but it's there.

You'll have to trust the public in discerning that this incident is not attributable to the US Army per se, although I have to admit the general public is dang stupid.

16 posted on 10/24/2002 10:40:32 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: xzins
You are right... he is no "lifer". Funny how they make it sound like he received some specialized sniper training while in the military, just because he shot good. He changed his name to Mohammed, and I doubt his rampage had any motives concerning his previous service with the U.S. military.

This is just another way of blaming what happened on anything but what is responsible, Islam and John "Mohammed".

17 posted on 10/24/2002 10:41:46 PM PDT by KineticKitty
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To: Reagan Man
Oh come on Reagan, you know that when someone says "die for you" they mean it in the editorial sense.

Unless YOU work for FoxNews then YOU weren't included in that "you."

I'm PO'd and you're supposed to help me stay that way!

18 posted on 10/24/2002 10:42:41 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
The only positive identification is his military connection. Yes he is a Muslim, but it would be inaccurate for a journalist to delve into speculation as to Islamicist connections as of yet.

I have no problem with holding off yet proclaiming the Muslim label. Everyone knows he is a Muslim by his name as it is; it is not rocket science to determine this.
19 posted on 10/24/2002 10:43:27 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: xzins
That is the aspect that deals with violence.
20 posted on 10/24/2002 10:44:11 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Fester Chugabrew
although I have to admit the general public is dang stupid

Amen!!!

And the best news source out there is all of a sudden "pc" for the day!

21 posted on 10/24/2002 10:44:14 PM PDT by xzins
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To: Reagan Man
what do you mean *IF* he has connections? he doesnt need connections if they are called to do violence and he follows.

He is a terrorist.

He is Islamic.

Therefor he is an Islamic terrorist.

Why are you so quick to slam the Army but so slow to see the obvious?
22 posted on 10/24/2002 10:45:02 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: rwfromkansas
You obviously don't have a 20 year career in the Army and KNOW that the Army doesn't produce this kind of idiot.

Islam, however, has a track record for doing so.

23 posted on 10/24/2002 10:45:37 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
Not to mention..."Gulf War veteran"...

but...don't despair...this really doesn't seem the focus of the news coverage I've seen. Earlier, I very cynically asked my better half for his opinion: "one guess, 'hon'...emphasis on black muslims or Gulf war vets?" Surprisingly, he said "blacks", Muslim or not.

All kinds of opinions out there, clearly, but the Jamaican "quasi-stepson" and the year(s) in Antigua (among other things) make me think this suspect's military background is the least contributory to his problems (or as Rummy said..."You've got to be kidding!")

24 posted on 10/24/2002 10:46:37 PM PDT by 88keys
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To: xzins
>>I'm PO'd and you're supposed to help me stay that way!

Well, okay.

Some of the other posters have been spot on. Fox news has mentioned the fact, this John Mohammad is Islamic and his actions were those of a terrorist. I was just talking about the official public labeling procedure. There is no way to give Islam another pass after this one. I think if nothing else, Fox News will make sure of that!

25 posted on 10/24/2002 10:48:28 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: KineticKitty
I doubt his rampage had any motives concerning his previous service with the U.S. military.

Exactly.

1. He was trying to funnel 10 million bucks into a credit card account.
2. They knew they weren't going to be able to go to the local "Applebees" and use that card for dinner without getting traced.
3. They knew they weren't going to pull it out of an ATM at $300 a whack.
4. They were going to WIRE IT to Whom? For what cause? 5. And the total plan: random murder, money transfer, extortion is pretty sophisticated for someone who was sleeping in a junky car at a reststop.

26 posted on 10/24/2002 10:50:47 PM PDT by xzins
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To: WOSG
>>>Why are you so quick to slam the Army but so slow to see the obvious?

You better get your mouth examined. It's saying things that aren't true. Who slammed the Army, bucko. Not me. And I'm not slow to see the obvious, I just don't jump to conclusions.

So stuff a sock in it!

28 posted on 10/24/2002 10:51:43 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: KineticKitty
For the parts of this that are going to be involved in the criminal prosecution/s of the murders, it's important to focus on the "what" - "just the facts." To prevent other suchlike stuff, to deal with the "why" stuff - other people will deal with that - out of the view of the public and the media. And rightly so.
29 posted on 10/24/2002 10:51:53 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: 88keys
"Gay drifter" wouldn't be PC either.
30 posted on 10/24/2002 10:55:19 PM PDT by cryptical
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To: Reagan Man
Reagan, I like it!

muhamMADMAN!

DemoncRat

31 posted on 10/24/2002 10:58:12 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
I saw Fred Barnes tonight turning crimson while railing against all the PC reportage and scorning those who avoided the dreaded ISLAMIC TERRORISTS label.

Even Columbo didn't need this many clues.

32 posted on 10/24/2002 11:00:21 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Yehuda
>>>There is not and should not be a continual presumption that his military background was the driving force to his murders.

Okay. But just who is making these assumptions? Anyone who really matters? I think not. All the facts haven't been released yet. There is some validity to the fact, that he changed his name from an all American name, Williams, to a Muslim name, Mohammad. That's pretty obvious.

I want to know if he has any links to any organizations that support international terrorism, as in Al Qaeda, Islamis Jihad and the Islamic Brotherhood. If he's an unaffilliated terrorist, then that should come out in time.

33 posted on 10/24/2002 11:00:25 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: 88keys
(clarification: Mr. 88 is not a "racist"...by "blacks", he meant the "news angle" would be not to "blame" Islam, or U.S. military training for causing the I-95 shooter's actions, but rather the shooter's "disenfranchised status" as an African-American.)
34 posted on 10/24/2002 11:00:30 PM PDT by 88keys
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Even Columbo didn't need this many clues.

Another good line, DrE.

What was the one about Canada? It was great!

35 posted on 10/24/2002 11:02:05 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins; harpseal; SLB; Squantos; The Shrew; sneakypete
I'm with you. If they need to mention the military angle, they should always say he was a only DRIVER who was DISHONORABLY DISCHARGED after an attempted peacetime fragging!!!!
36 posted on 10/24/2002 11:02:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: rwfromkansas
AND the fact that he converted to Islam 17 years ago, AND the fact that he changed his surname to Mohammed. GET A GRIP!
37 posted on 10/24/2002 11:03:26 PM PDT by Don W
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To: Reagan Man
Does Louis Farrakhan have any links to any terrorist org's in the MidEast? Didn't he visit some recently?
38 posted on 10/24/2002 11:03:49 PM PDT by xzins
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To: Travis McGee
DISHONORABLY DISCHARGED

I hadn't heard that!! What's the story behind the fragging?

39 posted on 10/24/2002 11:05:33 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
This Gulf War vet had a little too much nerve gas in Iraq. Yep, that's it.
40 posted on 10/24/2002 11:07:48 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: xzins
If I'm not mistaken, Calypso Louie did visit the Middle east in recent months. But he's no terrorist, just a militant fundamentalist, who hates whitey, Jews, presidents named Bush and......., well you get the picture. =^)
41 posted on 10/24/2002 11:07:54 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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He was DISHONORABLY DISCHARGED!!!!

Do you know what it takes to get a DD today, instead of a far easier to apply 'other than hoorable' or 'general' discharge?

Try ATTEMPTED FRAGGING!!

This is like a story on a DEFROCKED PRIEST committing a heinous crime, and "forgetting" to mention he had been excommunicated years before, and just saying "Priest Robs Bank".

It burns me every time they show this slime, and the next frame shows soldiers training, equating the two.

Have you seen a single picture on TV of the Nation of Islam mosque where he "worshipped" and got tanked up on murderous rage and hate?

42 posted on 10/24/2002 11:07:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: cryptical
Shame on you for saying it, then...! ;)

(crossed our minds, must say...not a joking matter, but what the he**, why not...this one seems to over, thank heaven!)

43 posted on 10/24/2002 11:08:10 PM PDT by 88keys
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To: xzins
He threw a grenade into an occupied room, not certain if it was inert, a "joke", a threat, a dud or what.

You almost have to commit murder to get a DD today, especially an African American, the military is very PC sensitive.

44 posted on 10/24/2002 11:10:14 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
I feel your pain, man.

Seriously, I undertstand what your saying, just stop jumping on my shit. okay.

45 posted on 10/24/2002 11:10:26 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: xzins
But the lead is: "Army Vet"
As a 20 year Army retiree, I deeply resent this, but I resent even more the politically correct culture that makes it impossible to call an islamic terrorist an islamic terrorist.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. The leftist media (But I repeat myself) is going to have *a lot* of trouble spinning this that way. They've been trying ever since Oswald shot Kennedy (I remember the posters saying "The Marine Corps Builds Oswalds"). It didn't stick then, and it won't stick now.

The guy took up Islam, changed his name to Mohammed, and started sniping people after Al Quaeda declared war on civilization. *That's* what's going to stick - and the media can keep spinning until they burn up from the friction (I should live to see that...), and they won't change the public perception in that regard one bit.

In this case, the inherent simplicity of the average person's outlook on things will work in our favor, not against us...

46 posted on 10/24/2002 11:11:49 PM PDT by fire_eye
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To: The Red Zone
So finally....we can admit we were gassed!!
47 posted on 10/24/2002 11:11:51 PM PDT by xzins
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To: WOSG
He is a terrorist.

He is Islamic.

Therefor he is an Islamic terrorist.

John Wayne Gacey was a Catholic. Was he a "Catholic terrorist"

The "Son of Sam" (Berkowitz) is Jewish. Is he a "Jewish terrorist"?

48 posted on 10/24/2002 11:11:53 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: xzins
FWIW, Fox is strongly in Bush's camp, from news-head Roger Ailes on down.

For months they've dismissed most Islamic terrorist connections. I assume this is at Bush's request.

Something about getting ducks in a row, I'm hoping.

49 posted on 10/24/2002 11:12:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Travis McGee
This is like a story on a DEFROCKED PRIEST committing a heinous crime, and "forgetting" to mention he had been excommunicated years before, and just saying "Priest Robs Bank". It burns me every time they show this slime, and the next frame shows soldiers training, equating the two. Have you seen a single picture on TV of the Nation of Islam mosque where he "worshipped" and got tanked up on murderous rage and hate?

Those, my friend, are AWESOME debating points. Hope some talk radio dude is reading you tonight.

50 posted on 10/24/2002 11:13:58 PM PDT by xzins
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