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Wellstone was an Unapologetic Liberal
Associated Press ^ | 10.25.02 | Jesse J. Holland

Posted on 10/25/2002 1:53:49 PM PDT by wallcrawlr

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:37:41 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON -- Democratic Sen. Paul Wellstone of Minnesota, one of the last unapologetic liberals left in Congress and known among his friends as a ``pied piper of modern politics,'' died Friday in a Minnesota plane crash. He was 58.

Wellstone's wife, Sheila Ison Wellstone, and daughter Marcia also died in the crash. Three campaign staff members and two pilots also perished.


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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: coleman; liberal; minnesota; senate; wellstone
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To: holyscroller
"I'd be happy to see even a FEW on our side. Seems like all of ours are gutless wonders."

...Ain't that the TRUTH!!!

redrock

101 posted on 10/25/2002 8:56:23 PM PDT by redrock
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To: DWSUWF
...each one of our rulers...

Disturbingly, they view themselves as such. At least the liberals do. It's become a rule of despot philosopher-kings. That was not the intention of Madison, Jefferson, et al.

102 posted on 10/25/2002 8:59:47 PM PDT by Z in Oregon
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To: Mordoch
"Excuse me if I don't shed a tear."

..and of course his wife and daughter deserve your pathetic abuse???

redrock

103 posted on 10/25/2002 8:59:54 PM PDT by redrock
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To: Z in Oregon; Psycho_Bunny; BibChr; LoneGreenEyeshade; Joe Montana; Paul Cruce; PhiKapMom; ...
"What Good Am I?!!"
(To be sung to Bob Dylan's "What Good Am I")

What good am I...if I'm like all the rest?
If I just turn away...when Slick's slaughterin' kids...
If I shut myself off...sit 'n' bitch, moan, and whine...
What...good...am...I?!

Why, tell me why...won't the Press tell the Truth?
'Bout Slick's deal with Beijing...'bout the Dead Slick's thugs shoot?
Should I just drink my beer...forget Slick's TREASON and his LIES?!
Whose...FOOL...am...I?!

What good am I...if I fail to FReep?!
Should I lay down in bed...try to restlessly sleep?
When I've seen Waco pictures...children carelessly FRIED...
What...good...am...I?!

Do I tell my kids...that Dad failed the FRee?!
FOLKS, WE MUST MAKE OUR STAND...LET'S DETHRONE WILLIE!!!
Prosecute all his crimes...let's send Slick to Prison!!
Soon, Slick'll RESIGN...or WE'LL RE-IMPEACH!!!

What good am I...if I bless foolish things?
If I cower in the face of...Vile Tyranny?!
Shall I just turn my back...while our Liberties die?!
I...would...rather...die!!

Mudboy Slim

Yo...FReepers!!

The 26th of October 2002 is HAPPENIN' Rain or SHINE...meet in DeeCee at the Washington Monument between eleven and three at Constitution and somethin'...WE MARCH AT HIGH NOON!!!! We will have a stage set up and some excellent speakers!! Bring yer own beverages, lawn chairs, picnic lunches, whatever...and enjoy an afternoon of patriotic speeches, patriotic music, and full-fledged, 100% Clinton-bashin' and Dasshole-REAMIN'!!!

RE-IMPEACH. CONVICT. DETHRONE.

Bookmark this thread and bump it when you can.

Patriotic FReegards...MUD

1 Posted on 08/03/2000 08:21:55 PDT by Mudboy Slim (Clinton@in't.completin'.his.term!!)

Heh heh heh, I revel in my unrequited optimism...MUD

104 posted on 10/25/2002 9:00:29 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: going hot
No.
105 posted on 10/25/2002 9:01:08 PM PDT by Z in Oregon
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To: redrock; Mordoch
... his wife and daughter...

...are mourned, and condolences go to those who cared for them.

106 posted on 10/25/2002 9:03:20 PM PDT by Z in Oregon
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To: ImpBill
Well said!!!!!

redrock

107 posted on 10/25/2002 9:04:46 PM PDT by redrock
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To: Joy Angela
The New Jersey Ballot-Switch was questionable because the candidate hadn't died...yet the Democrats were successful in replacing a losing candidate with a more Probable WIN!

You mean a demorat that was more powerful to win than Wellstone? Interesting point.

108 posted on 10/25/2002 10:18:11 PM PDT by goldilucky
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To: jackbill
Can you imagine these pimps saying the same thing if it had been Tom DeLay or Trent Lott

Sorry,I can't even imagine ME having as much sympathy if it had been Trent Lott. Lott is more dangerous to freedom than Wellstone was. He's SUPPOSED to be on OUR side.

109 posted on 10/26/2002 2:35:32 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: wallcrawlr
HE WAS SCUM!
110 posted on 10/26/2002 2:43:46 AM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: buffyt
Son of Russian immigrants, you would think he would have NOT been so socialistic.

Not really. They were Russian Jews,and most likely were rabid supporters of communism until the communists took over and turned on THEM. It would be only natural for them to escape to this country and bring their beliefs with them.

Let's not forget that every time you back a communist into a corner and get them to admit that communism is a failure,they invariably state a version of "yes,but it wasn't done right. If it had been,it would have worked".

111 posted on 10/26/2002 2:46:28 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: montanus
I've noticed SneakyPete on a couple threads. I'm almost certain he's Dim operative.

LOL! What gave me away,the fact that I'm the one who coined the term "Dim"?

112 posted on 10/26/2002 2:49:31 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Mordoch
Thank you for saying that.....

I would never wish anyone dead ... but my opinion of him has not changed ....


Just last week I received some pro Wellstone campaigen literature in the mail. It was very creepy...he was warning women that Coleman didn't support women's "right to choose" and that he (Wellstone) was "100% supportive of a woman's right to choose"....it was very expensive paper with images of lightning and clouds....I remarked to my dad that Wellstone should be a little careful about the imagery he's trying to be a little too god-like....

He should have never gone back on his promise....
113 posted on 10/26/2002 5:44:49 AM PDT by oline
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To: Mudboy Slim
It really is hard not to like the guy as a person, mistaken as he was. We need someone with his level of passion and enthusiasm in the conservative side of things.
114 posted on 10/26/2002 7:27:18 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Mudboy Slim
I feel awful because I just ordered one of those Wellstone/commie tshirts and now I know I'll never wear it!
115 posted on 10/26/2002 7:27:55 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: BibChr
Likely not but let's leave that up to who can really make an accurate judgement on it.
116 posted on 10/26/2002 7:29:31 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Nephi
I doubt he is dealing with Heavenly Father at this time!!! He killed the babies that the heavenly Father created. Not Good!!
117 posted on 10/26/2002 8:32:45 AM PDT by conservativejunkie
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To: Terriergal
I feel awful because I just ordered one of those Wellstone/commie tshirts and now I know I'll never wear it!

You could wear it to his funeral - last respects, sort of.

118 posted on 10/26/2002 8:48:05 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: lawdog
Misery loves company. LOL!!!!!!!!

LOL!!! Well - we're OK now...I beat her to the bed. ;-)

119 posted on 10/26/2002 9:10:33 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Some of his fellow RATS must not like his flute music!
120 posted on 10/26/2002 9:29:38 AM PDT by wharfrat
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To: Terriergal
I am (A) more than glad to do that, and (B) cherishing no false hopes, barring a last-millisecond I'm-really-going-to-die repentance.

Dan
How Can I Know God?

121 posted on 10/26/2002 4:25:25 PM PDT by BibChr
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To: RandallFlagg
Ya just know that this thread is gonna be talked about over yonder at DU.

And DU will be about as kind to Reagan when he passes. We are both part of the same hypocrisy.

122 posted on 10/26/2002 4:30:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: wallcrawlr
The Wellstone legacy:


123 posted on 10/26/2002 5:10:14 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Terriergal
"We need someone with his level of passion and enthusiasm in the conservative side of things."

Senator George Allen, Jr. (R-VA)...MUD

124 posted on 10/26/2002 5:42:00 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: wallcrawlr
This is a tragedy for his family. We wish them comfort in their bereavement!

That said, it is passingly strange that all the exhibited grief, public handwringing and ringing kudos toward Wellstone and his potty ideas are inundating the airwaves. I don't remember any of that when Paul Coverdell (R-GA) passed away suddenly a few years back. There was nary a wimper from the Media - just a mad and gleeful scramble to appoint a Democrat successor.

Let's put things into political perspective. The ACU rates Wellstones' tenure;

Senate

Senate 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 2001 2000 YOS Life
Mark Dayton (D) - - - - - - + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4 1 4
Paul Wellstone (D) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0 4 11 4

This article states;

... known among his friends as a ``pied piper of modern politics,''...

Touching. Didn't the fabled pied piper entice the rats also?

A former champion 126-pound wrestler from the University of North Carolina (graduated in 1965)...

Imagine. This prime physical specimen somehow managed to avoid the draft, any military service, and the Vietnam War. Whooda thunk it?

Labeled by a magazine, Mother Jones, as ``the first 1960s radical elected to the U.S. Senate,''

Well, I guess we know whose side he stood on in the Vietnam War while may some of us were actually fighting it. Some "Patriot", eh? For North Vietnam, maybe!

Paul Welfare may have been a likeable human being with a lot of humor and a sense of family (his own, not those still in the womb). Big deal. He was part of the Socialist cabal which has been shredding our Constitution and America freedoms and culture for years. His death is tragic on a personal level only. Unfortunately, his real legacy will live on for a long time. It is not a good one.

RIP.

125 posted on 10/26/2002 5:58:52 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Mudboy Slim
I haven't seen much of him yet. :-( I'll keep my eyes open for him , thanks!
126 posted on 10/27/2002 5:30:03 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: BibChr
That reminds me - off subject here - just was listening to a Catholic tape series (got from a coworker of Cyrano's - we are not Catholic) on Islam called Islam Exposed from St Joseph's Press I think... Ex protestant speaker, had been in the Marines, really good speaker. Talked about how Islam teaches that you CANNOT know 'Allah.' You just obey him. Very informational series and the speaker is quite good.
127 posted on 10/27/2002 5:36:42 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
Eeegh, an apostate talking about Islam? Brr-r-r-r, that would be a strange experience!

Dan

128 posted on 10/27/2002 5:39:56 PM PST by BibChr
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To: ppaul
heh that's NOT funny.
129 posted on 10/27/2002 5:45:51 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: lawdog
"The libs are gonna politicize the hell out of this death for all it's worth."

Sympathy + Mondale = another electoral Democratic illegal shananagan.

Why Jean Carnahan was allowed to have taken her husband's place, and Frank Lautenberg and the Democratic Party was allowed circumvent election laws is beyond me. Maybe it's because the GOP remains a political party of eunuchs.

130 posted on 10/28/2002 6:58:12 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: agrandis
"Posts #53, 54, 55 ==> AMEN! Preach it, brother!

LOL -- sorry about the quad post...

"Let's not forget that wellstone was caught red-handed in the post office scandal, but his constituency is apparently so liberal, or so unaware, that they didn't care, and continually re-elected him. That's what his "principles" were."

That's exactly what's so maddening about the Democratic Lemming Party -- their constituency has only a selective memory, are moral relativists, and apparently have minimal expectations of their representatives' character as well.

131 posted on 10/28/2002 7:05:26 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Mudboy Slim
"A nasty boil on the American political scene...!!"

I musta missed that lead-in for Wellstone's obit on either the CNN or in the NY Times :-D

132 posted on 10/28/2002 7:10:47 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: jackbill
Actually, I have found Marcy Gordon to be very accurate, fair and even-handed. What's my jackpot prize?
133 posted on 10/28/2002 7:17:10 AM PST by 3AngelaD
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To: F16Fighter
LOL...of course not, according to the Vast LeftWing Medyuh Whore'd, Wellstone's being fitted fer Sainthood...but he really, really was an absolutely IGNORANT DOLT!!

May Paul and his over-hyped reputation RestInPeace...MUD

134 posted on 10/28/2002 7:22:01 AM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: TBP
I disagreed with Senator Wellstone on just about every issue, but he was a liberal who really believed in what he was doing and stood for his principles and fought for them. I'd like to see more people like this on both sides.

This is just wrong to me. A "liberal who really believed in what he was doing" is like someone who really believes the moon is made of green cheese. Wellstone wasn't someone who belived in the classical liberal ideas of inalianble rights, he was a modern liberal who wanted government enforcing his ideas of social engineering. Like other modern liberals, his tools of the trade were lies, hypocrisy, going back on his word, and being mean spirited to name just a few. Wellstone and other modern liberals would never say a conservative "stood on his principles" because modern liberals simply don't believe one can truly disagree with them, or at the least, those that do are Nazis. Someone fighting for principles that are not only wrong, but proven dangerous, is not in my mind someone to be praised. We can all be sorry he died (as I do), but let's please stop this praise of a terribly misguided person who sought to bring the whole country down with him.

135 posted on 10/28/2002 7:30:44 AM PST by 1L
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To: wallcrawlr
...an Unapologetic Liberal...

Anyone his age who hasn't learned how to apologize will never mature like a normal adult.

136 posted on 10/28/2002 7:35:09 AM PST by Consort
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To: 1L
I agree with you that Wellstone's principles were misguided and dangerous. However, he had the courage of his convictions, as not many people in Washington on either side have (Bob Smith comes to mind, and Ron Paul, but I can't think of many others) and while he worked passionately for his misguided principles, unlike most liberals, you weren't his enemy if you disagreed with him. That is a kind of civility that our political process could use.

And liberals do sometimes say this about conservatives, but usually only when they're dead. They will almost all say it, now, about Barry Goldwater.

You know, Barry had many friends on the other side of the aisle. One of them was JFK. In fact, it's been widely written that Kennedy and Goldwater were planning to do a new type of campaign in '64, one in which they would have spent at least part of the campaign doing a whistle-stop tour together, with Kennedy speaking first at one stop and Goldwater rebutting him and then reversing the order at the next stop.

What these men shared, and what Wellstone apparently did as well (as do the most principled people on our side), was a belief in civility in politics -- fervent, pratisan, principled, fierce disagreement, but not the slash-and-burn that characterizes most politicians.
137 posted on 10/28/2002 8:08:10 AM PST by TBP
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To: TBP
unlike most liberals, you weren't his enemy if you disagreed with him. That is a kind of civility that our political process could use.

That's fine, and I don't have any problem pointing out his good points.

They will almost all say it, now, about Barry Goldwater.

That may not be the best example since later in life, Goldwater pandered to liberals.

fervent, pratisan, principled, fierce disagreement, but not the slash-and-burn that characterizes most politicians.

Again, that's fine and commendable. I'm sure he was a good husband and father as well. I was simply responding to him being labeled an icon by some, or a great man by others. I'm sorry, but great men don't aspire to have government take over the lives of millions, holding them dependant on politicians and government workers, also dependant on politicians, for their day to day lives -- all while calling it compassion.

138 posted on 10/28/2002 8:56:31 AM PST by 1L
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