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Are the Snipers Part of the "Five Percent Nation"? ("The Black Man is God" Among Teachings)
Compiled from Various Websites by Hispanarepublicana ^ | Various

Posted on 10/26/2002 2:18:40 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana

From:  http://blackapologetics.com/:  (Blacks defending Christianity to other Blacks such as Nation of Islam and the Five Percent Nation).

Five Percent FAQ (frequently asked questions)

1.) What are the Five Percent?

The Five Percent began as an offshoot of the NOI (Nation of Islam) back in 1964 by Clarence 13X who was a minister in Mosque no. 7 under the tutelege of Malcolm X. The movement was started because Clarence 13X rejected the notion that Wallace Fard was God Incarnate (see NOI). He began teaching that the black man himself was god. Five Percenters also depart from NOI in their teaching of the Supreme Alphabet and Supreme Mathmatics, an arcane system devised by Clarence 13X wherein each letter or numeral denotes a concept with an accompanying parable. "A" stands for Allah, "B" is Be or Born, "C" is See and so on. This process is known as "dropping science".

Supreme Mathmatics - teaches that numbers 0-9 means:
0 - Cipher
1 - Knowledge
2 - Wisdom
3 - Understanding
4 - Culture
5 - Power
6 - Equality
7 - God
8 - Build
9 - Born

...and when Knowledge is Born you get 10 which is Knowledge-Cipher, because the circle cannot be activated without the Knowledge. Cipher is shown only as 10 because once you complete a Cipher, the Knowledge is present for you begin the next Cipher.

2.) How did this message spread?

This message was delivered as a street rap that mesmerized New York City youth. They won converts by the hundreds. Today the group numbers in the tens of thousands in NYC alone.

3.) This sounds a little familiar to me, how popular is it?

Well it is popular among many African-American male youth, especially in poor, urban areas. However, this thinking is embraced by the educated as well. Its popularity is helped along by many R&B/Hip-Hop artists. Erykah Badu, Nas, Common, Wu-Tang, Busta Rhymes, and countless others have their lyrics laced with 5% doctrine In addition to using these beliefs in their music some rap artists like Rakim, Big Daddy Kane and Lakim Shabazz have used the 5% flag on their album covers.

4.) What are the requirements for membership?

The requirements of "official" membership in the religion are unclear. They do not have organized affiliation.

5.) Do they have a holy book or some by-laws?

Five Percent concepts are often circulated as "lessons" that are printed in Xeroxed pamphlets and passed from hand to hand in urban neighborhoods. They also have a wide circulation in prisonsÉ Common terminology that originated with the Five Percent: "Break it down", "droppin' science", "sup G [God]?", "word", "peace", "word is bond", and "represent".

 

This does not begin to encompass what they have been rumored to believe... There are not many resources available in terms of books and/or annotated Christian refutation articles (I am currently working on one), but I do have some links that you can access to get more info:

 

They Call Themselves Five Percenters (Basically written from a law enforcement point of view)
Nation of gods and earths (Their most official looking home page)
How Five Percenters Misrepresent Islam (Disgruntled Orthodox Islam adherent who zeroes in on some of the 5% doctrine)
The Five Percent as a Gang (In prisons the 5% are a formidable and dangerous organization)

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From the "Nation of gods and earths" page in bold in the table above ( http://www.ibiblio.org/nge/index.html )

What We Teach


1. That black people are the original people of the planet earth. 2. That black people are the fathers and mothers of civilization. 3. That the science of Supreme Mathematics is the key to understanding man's relationship to the universe. 4. Islam is a natural way of life, not a religion. 5. That education should be fashioned to enable us to be self sufficient as a people. 6. That each one should teach one according to their knowledge. 7. That the blackman is god and his proper name is ALLAH. Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm, Head. 8. That our children are our link to the future and they must be nurtured, respected, loved, protected and educated. 9. That the unified black family is the vital building block of the nation.
from:  http://www.mindspring.com/~scpoint/point/9604/p06.html

They call themselves Five Percenters

The Department of Corrections calls them trouble

BY ALEX TODOROVIC


Five Percent Nation is a loose-knit religious organization that split from the Nation of Islam in 1964. The group's lack of structure and young members have prompted the South Carolina Department of Corrections to label the group a "security threat," and treat it as a "gang."
Because of their affiliation with Five Percent, about 60 South Carolina inmates have been in solitary confinement for the past year. They are allowed 5 hours of exercise a week, in handcuffs and leg chains, and receive limited visits.
But where the Department of Corrections (DOC) sees a threat, Five Percenters and members of the Nation of Islam (NOI) see religious persecution.
Four of the 60 inmates in lock-down recently filed suit in U.S. District Court against six prison administrators, including Michael Moore, DOC director. It was Moore who last year ordered the lockup of 300 inmates a week after riots rocked the Broad River Correctional Facility. Inmates rioted and took hostages after Moore implemented a policy forbidding long hair and beards.
Steven Bates, director of the South Carolina ACLU, said that because a few rioters were associated with Five Percent Nation the department placed 300 suspected members in lock-down across the state. "Those who were released had to convince officials that they were never Five Percenters or renounce their faith by signing a form," he said.
The four plaintiffs represented by the ACLU and Southern Center for Human Rights say they were not involved in the riots and claim they are in lock-down indefinitely because they refused to sign a paper renouncing their religion.
The attorney representing the plaintiffs, Robert Bensing, said, "Due to the harsh conditions of solitary confinement, several prisoners have recently signed renunciation forms" after being confined in solitary for nearly a year.
DOC has also banned all Five Percent literature and, according to Bensing, some prisons forbid the writings of Elijah Muhammed, which the NOI hold sacred. NOI has for decades been recognized by federal courts as a religion.
While Five Percenters do not claim any scripture unique to their religion, followers often read the Quaran or Elijah Muhammed's Message to the Black Man, the same texts read by NOI members. Members from a NOI community in Virginia are planning to demonstrate in South Carolina in the near future in a show of solidarity.
The department's policy manual requires that a report of rules violation be completed for every inmate placed in solitary. A report for Five Percenter Mario Wagner lists the reason for his segregation as, "Pending investigation for inciting or creating a disruption of institutional operations."
Citing the lawsuit, department officials refused to discuss the inmates in lock-down, the classification of gangs, prison policy regarding gangs nor what criteria are used to determine a legitimate religion.
Federal Bureau of Prisons spokesperson Faye Pollard initially said that the group was considered a gang, but later amended that comment to "security-threat group." She said, "They are not a significant management concern for us at this time."
Pollard stressed that the government does not track inmates based on their religious beliefs, but can track according to behavior and conduct. The federal prison system reserves judgement as to whether Five Percenters are members of a religion.
Georgia's Department of Corrections has paid "closer attention" to its small group of "suspected" Five Percenters, according to spokesman Mike Light, but does not treat them as a gang. "We're sort of watching them like they were loosely affiliated, a group of people with similar interests," he said.
This group that causes corrections departments to split hairs over terms like "gang" and "religion" was founded in 1964 by Clarence 13X after he left Nation of Islam.
Born Clarence Smith in 1929, he moved to Harlem from Virginia in 1946 and joined the NOI several years later. He worshipped at Temple No. 7, then under the leadership of Malcolm X, was a gifted speaker and rose quickly to the position of student minister. When Clarence 13X left NOI in 1963, he took the lessons of the honorable Elijah Muhammed to the streets of New York. Five Percent doctrine remains closely linked to NOI teachings.
Clarence 13X added to Elijah's teachings, but rejected the NOI belief that founder Wallace Fard was God, reasoning instead that the collective black man was God. The religion is named after the idea that only five percent of the population is righteous.
Thanks to Clarence 13X's close relationship with Mayor John Lindsey, in 1967 the Five Percenters leased a prime piece of Harlem property from the city. The "Allah School in Mecca" still serves as Five Percent headquarters. Painted above the building's entrance are the words "The Black Man Is God."
Clarence 13X was killed by unknown assailants two years after Allah School in Mecca was opened, but Five Percenters believe city police were behind the plot.
Clarence 13X taught that once a man achieved mastery of self, he became God, to the extent that he controlled his own destiny. Five Percent men refer to themselves as Gods and women as Earths, and the religion is commonly referred to as The Nation of Gods and Earths.
Five Percenters depart from NOI in their teaching of the Supreme Alphabet and Supreme Mathematics, an arcane system devised by Clarence 13X wherein each letter or numeral denotes a concept with an accompanying parable. "A" stands for Allah, "B" is Be or Born, "C" is See and so on. This process of teaching is referred to as "dropping science" or "sciencing out."
For example, the 14th degree (letter) of the Supreme Alphabet "N" stands for Now and Nation, and begins something like this:
"Now is the time for the Black man to wake up and come into the realization of Islam, which is the true and righteous Self, which is his true Nature and his true Nation."
Clarence 13X's esoteric street gnosis was delivered in a staccato "rap" that mesmerized New York City youth. Members were trained to deliver their rap, and the group won converts by the hundreds. Today the group numbers in the tens of thousands in New York City alone.
From its inception, according to social science professor Yusuf Nuruddin of Medgar Evers College in New York, the prison system was an important conduit for the religion fanning across the country.
In an environment where a bowel movement is a public event and every request a power struggle, adherence to a haughty ideology that deifies the collective Black Man is a political act, a manner in which to register protest against the institution.
There are, no doubt, some followers who join Five Percent precisely for that reason. Black supremacist ideology, as Nuruddin has noted, tends to flourish in environments of impoverishment and decay because the message speaks directly to disenchanted.
By the mid-seventies Five Percenters had become part of the African-American inner city experience, and 10 years later the group had organized meetings on the West Coast, especially in Los Angeles.
Contemporary rap artists like Rakim, Big Daddy Kane and Lakim Shabazz have used the Five Percent flag on album covers and have written lyrics influenced by its doctrine.
Five Percent continues to be dominated by young adherents. Part of the religion's allure is that there is no leader and the group's meetings, called parliaments, generally occur in public places.
Some members of NOI were once Five Percenters, according to NOI member and printer H. Khalif Khalifa. The group has always been viewed as the most threatening Islamic group because they are young and win converts preaching racial consciousness with a potent inner-city parlance.
While Five Percenters are Black Nationalists, they do not preach violence. Five Percenter Bilal Allah noted in an article, "The task at hand is to maintain one's own righteous existence while teaching others to be righteous. We place major emphasis on being articulate and well-read."
Arguments in court will likely revolve around what constitutes a legitimate religion. Bensing pointed out that the 4th Circuit has recognized Wicca as a religion, a group with a loose structure like Five Percent.
"If we lose," Bensing said, "I know we'll go to the 4th Circuit." The decision could affect the treatment of Five Percenters across the country.




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I was just doing some doodling on the Geocities search engine and came across this. Apparently, this is a big prison movement as well (wasn't Matthew Dowdy, the bogus witness, an ex-con?)
1 posted on 10/26/2002 2:18:40 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: hispanarepublicana
Hmmmm.... marking for later reading.

Thanks, hispanarepublicana

2 posted on 10/26/2002 2:26:40 PM PDT by bcoffey
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To: hispanarepublicana
"They also have a wide circulation in prisonsÉ Common terminology that originated with the Five Percent:
"Break it down", "droppin' science", "sup G [God]?", "word", "peace", "word is bond", and "represent". "

This is a VERY interesting article. Thanks very much for posting it. Seems like it could not be just coincidence that the exact phrase 'word is bond'was used in the written note from one of the shooters. [NOT My word is my bond - which would be the normal usage of the phrase.]


3 posted on 10/26/2002 2:27:29 PM PDT by Route66
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To: hispanarepublicana
Very interesting. I had never heard of 5%ers but I have now. thanks
4 posted on 10/26/2002 2:27:35 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Route66
Also forgot to add the most obvious - "Call me God" was actually written by the shooter in the note. Fits in very nicely here, as well.
5 posted on 10/26/2002 2:29:33 PM PDT by Route66
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To: hispanarepublicana
I meant to again, in the remarks box, point out the key phrases such as, "word is bond" and "blackman is God."
6 posted on 10/26/2002 2:35:00 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: Route66; Texas_Jarhead; bcoffey
Please keep this pinged, bumped, Googled and discussed through the evening. I didn't have time to do as much digging as I would have liked, and I must stop now! (me and Mr. Hispanarepublicana going out for the evening and my hair is a mess!)
8 posted on 10/26/2002 2:38:20 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: hispanarepublicana
Yow! This is some scary stuff! Never heard of this, but boy does it seem to fit in. As I said on another thread, get the Mullahs out of the prisons NOW. The prison conversions are a huge danger to our security. They're building a f&ckin' ARMY here, right under our noses!

/rant
9 posted on 10/26/2002 2:39:13 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: hispanarepublicana
Will do... This article deserves some attention.
[Have a nice evening out.]
10 posted on 10/26/2002 2:41:40 PM PDT by Route66
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To: greasyHeart
Thanks for the very interesting thread

De Nada. Please keep it bumped. I've got to get ready to go out.

12 posted on 10/26/2002 2:44:21 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: hispanarepublicana
bump for later reading
13 posted on 10/26/2002 2:48:43 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
bookmark bump
14 posted on 10/26/2002 2:49:31 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hispanarepublicana
Leading edge stuff.
15 posted on 10/26/2002 2:53:33 PM PDT by bvw
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search-engine-gumshoe and sniper-thread-buddy ping
16 posted on 10/26/2002 2:54:38 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: All
Does anyone know how to ping Hugh Hewitt, Bill O'Reilly, Hannity, et al?
17 posted on 10/26/2002 2:55:51 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: hispanarepublicana
http://www.merip.org/mer/mer224/224_aidi.html
19 posted on 10/26/2002 2:56:57 PM PDT by toenail
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To: hispanarepublicana
I wonder if the five stars on the letters they left has any relation to the Five Percenters.
20 posted on 10/26/2002 2:56:58 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: Inyokern
I wonder if the five stars on the letters they left has any relation to the Five Percenters.

Well, the Five Percent Nation logo is a star, pointing in the same direction as the Nation of Islam Star (about 11 o'clock), a moon and a big "7" I assume because the Five Percent Nation was born in Mosque No. 7, as an offshoot of Nation of Islam according to the article. Perhaps this loon decided to just make "his own" offshoot of the Five Percent Nation.

21 posted on 10/26/2002 3:01:13 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: hispanarepublicana
good grief bump
24 posted on 10/26/2002 3:06:16 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: hispanarepublicana
I think you've got it. The five stars on the letter are clearly drawn from this.

Incredible.

Okay, you get that trip to the Caribbean! (As we used to say in NY, that and 25 cents (now $1.50) will get you a trip on the subway!)
25 posted on 10/26/2002 3:13:37 PM PDT by livius
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To: hispanarepublicana; nicmarlo; Grampa Dave
Ping to nic and grampa for some great research by hispanarep.
26 posted on 10/26/2002 3:16:11 PM PDT by livius
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To: hispanarepublicana
I've been reading through some of the FBI information from one of the links above. Very interesting stuff.

These guys may not actually consider themselves five percenters, but it does seem clear that a least one of them (the one that wrote the notes) has been heavily influenced by this teaching from somewhere.

It may have just been incorporated into some of the Nation of Islam lore he picked up on the street, but this stuff is scary and it appears that those connected with it have a reputation for extreme violence.
27 posted on 10/26/2002 3:17:01 PM PDT by Route66
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To: hispanarepublicana
That the blackman is god and his proper name is ALLAH. Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm, Head

LOL!

28 posted on 10/26/2002 3:18:47 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: hispanarepublicana
That the blackman is god and his proper name is ALLAH. Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm, Head

LOL!

29 posted on 10/26/2002 3:19:02 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: livius
Thanks for the ping. Some one had sent me one of the url's that hispanarep did a great job of documenting. I got a headache from just looking at the poor graphics and the star crap. So I severed the link.

Glad that hispanarep did such a great job on it.
31 posted on 10/26/2002 3:24:44 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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32 posted on 10/26/2002 3:27:05 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Route66
. . . this stuff is scary and it appears that those connected with it have a reputation for extreme violence.

Reinforces being prepared to defend yourself, regardless of where you are. Be aware of your surroundings. Don't walk into something that could close around you, esp. in the big cities. NYC is a good example, in light of this article emphasizing the high number of "Five Percenters" there.

33 posted on 10/26/2002 3:29:10 PM PDT by toddst
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To: hispanarepublicana
As a now-and-then hip hop fan, I'm quite familiar with the Five Percenters. As I see it, guys like Busta Rhymes use the mysticism(or looniness) the same way many use various scriptures from around the world. It gives an air of the mystical to their music, just as the words of the Bible give an otherwise mundane speech about doing the right thing an added "oomph."

Understand, I'm not comparing the two, and there are SERIOUS believers in this Five Percent garbage, but there're also a lot who just use some cool or off-the-wall concepts they learned "back in the day."

All of the members of the Wu Tang Clan seem to be serious adherents to the "religion."
34 posted on 10/26/2002 3:32:18 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: hispanarepublicana
Thanks for the ping. Will do some research on this.
35 posted on 10/26/2002 3:34:35 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: hispanarepublicana
Thanks for a very interesting post. I have often wondered about the origins of "rap' music (I personally cannot stand it)but this "Five Percent Religion" may have a bearing on where its' roots originated.
The next few weeks will be interesting to see if "Mohammeds" rampage was driven by muslim /al-qaida sympathies. I suspect that the truth(as told by our media) will be thoroughly whitewashed and sanitized to be completely P.C. and neutral as far as exposing Mr. Mohammeds link to islamo-terrorism, if it indeed exists.
36 posted on 10/26/2002 3:36:54 PM PDT by Minutemen
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To: hispanarepublicana
Bump.(and indexed)

Thank you, for one of the more interesting and thought provoking posts in a long time.

37 posted on 10/26/2002 3:44:36 PM PDT by porte des morts
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Yeah...it is still grounded in NYC. Still draws the same corny coterie as it did when I was young. "Vain and cant be told what to do" types.

The heart of East Coast hip hop. Versus the shallow hillbilly style of rap that pushed out of the West Coast.

Nothing to be mesmerized by [but the simple will be].

38 posted on 10/26/2002 3:44:57 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: Skywalk
Not being a hip hop fan, Your post might help explain how the shooter was influenced by this belief system. If it's passed by street lore and music, he could have been influenced by either or both. I would expect this was most likely the case with Malvo.

I do still think John Muhammad - as evidenced by his name change and his security guard affiliation with The Nation of Islam - was most influenced by that organization.

It is possible that some ideology from the 5 percenters, which was considered a religion in competition with NOI in the 60's, may have sort of merged into what is now just known commonly as NOI. I'm no expert here, just speculating.
39 posted on 10/26/2002 3:54:46 PM PDT by Route66
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To: All
Has anyone tried to use the "alphabet" to analyze the cryptic messages Moose was asked to recite?

(Like "Caught Like a Duck in a Noose")

40 posted on 10/26/2002 4:00:54 PM PDT by bcoffey
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To: home educate
"That the blackman is god and his proper name is ALLAH. Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm, Head

Actually this is the five pointed start....which is represented as man, ie. Think of Leonardo da Vinci....it's used as an esoteric symbol, in various belief and cultural systems.

41 posted on 10/26/2002 4:00:54 PM PDT by Katya
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To: hispanarepublicana
This is a brilliant find....interesting the five percenters seem to want to set themselves apart as the esoteric branch of NOI, similar to the Sufi sect within Middle Eastern Islam....except that the fiv percenters are more of a gang.
The name struck me as humorous, because within the bike culture, the one percenters are the outlaw clubs...like the angels etc.
42 posted on 10/26/2002 4:05:01 PM PDT by Katya
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To: hispanarepublicana
Bump...up again so more people can read it.
43 posted on 10/26/2002 4:20:40 PM PDT by Route66
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To: hispanarepublicana
Bump...up again so more people can read it.
44 posted on 10/26/2002 4:20:41 PM PDT by Route66
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To: Route66
It's quite possible we're looking at a Hate-America melange. I would not discount his domestic issues as a motive in his actions. I think some may be overblowing him working as security at the Million Man March. For their own pathological reasons, the majority of men in attendance rationalized away Farrakhan's influence and significance and chose to only look at the personal relevance. Most of them were not even Muslim, let alone Nation of Islam or 5%ers.

It's possible Muhammad had some stronger link with NOI, but it's also possible he was sympathetic as many black Christians are to the self-reliance theme often preached by Farrakhan. heck, more than a few of us started to believe Farrakhan's cancer bout had truly changed him, oh were we wrong.

Muhammad and Malvo might easily have "let in" or been receptive to all the negatives from NOI and the 5%ers while shutting out any mitigating influence from the same sources or from orthodox Islam(hey, not ALL black Muslims are fond of NOI or hating America)

There's also something significant about a man who converted 17 years ago, just changing his name in the last year(Sept 11th?) It indicates that there was a reawakening or strengthening of his belief, perhaps even a radicalization of it.

I do know one thing, that the investigators so in love with the white male theory might have gotten in their own way. An Arab Muslim might not say "I am God" as this would be blasphemy(hey, let's not get into how murder is just fine) but a BLACK MUSLIM with 5 percent/hip hop influences in his mind would certainly not think anything of saying "I am God, Arm Leg Leg Arm Head"

Oh well, hindsight being what it is, I won't criticize them too heavily for not thinking "Five Percenter influenced black Muslim" immediately.
45 posted on 10/26/2002 4:21:32 PM PDT by Skywalk
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46 posted on 10/26/2002 4:32:07 PM PDT by mhking
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To: hispanarepublicana
I also came across this stuff just a while ago (Sniper: "Word is Bond" and "I am God" (part of theology of Nation Of Islam offshoot) .

I think that the sniper was trying to communicate to fellow Black Muslims that he was one of them.

47 posted on 10/26/2002 4:39:09 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: hispanarepublicana
Well there you go, Bingo! Complete with the stars.
48 posted on 10/26/2002 4:42:03 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: hispanarepublicana
I wonder if the five stars on the letters they left has any relation to the Five Percenters.
There's been news reports of a Jamacian rap group called "Five Red Stars", but I haven't been able to find info on them.
49 posted on 10/26/2002 4:42:20 PM PDT by lelio
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To: toddst
One interstingly scarey element of the Nation of Islam: the Zebra Killings in California :
During the early 1970s until 1974, anywhere from 14 to 270 murders of whites were carried out up and down the California coast by approximately 15 members of the Black Muslims, who are now known as the Nation of Islam. The murders became known as the "Zebra Killings" because police working the case used frequency "Z."

...

As Clark Howard chronicled in his book, Zebra: The True Account of the 179 Days of Terror in San Francisco, the killers received help from fellow Black Muslims, and the Black Muslims paid the legal fees of all of the arrestees except for Harris. There would otherwise have been no way for them to elude capture. Two of the reasons contributing to the Zebra killers' success were the authorities' political cowardice in covering-up their knowledge of organized racial, mass murder, and their refusal to keep houses of worship under surveillance (sound familiar?).


50 posted on 10/26/2002 4:45:45 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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