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Novak & Noonan Say Wellstone Was Good Man -- What Are the Odds?
Houston Chronical & Wall Street Journal ^ | 10/25/02 & 10/26/02 | Novak & Noonan (Separately)

Posted on 10/26/2002 9:03:32 PM PDT by fatguy

Godspeed, Happy Warrior Wellstone

By ROBERT D. NOVAK

ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Last Wednesday morning as Sen. Paul Wellstone walked into a news conference room in the State Office Building, he spotted me seated in the rear. "Oh, no," Wellstone said in mock dismay. "Call off the press conference. Novak's here."

We had that kind of relationship: disagreeing about everything but good-naturedly with a sense of fun. He was the happy warrior of 21st-century politics. Arguably the U.S. senator furthest to the left, he was a throwback to a different time.

That posture was not always a political asset. Wellstone was fighting for his political life against former St. Paul Mayor Norm Coleman, in what private polls of both parties showed to be a tossup. This was the country's purest Senate race, and one that could determine which party will control the chamber. Wellstone, a champion of the poor and an advocate of big government, was running against a pro-life, pro-tax cut Republican, and they were virtually even with each other.

When pollster John Zogby surveyed key Senate races several weeks ago, he found that Wellstone had higher negatives than any incumbent senator with the exception of New Hampshire's Republican Sen. Bob Smith (who lost in a September primary). That was partly because Wellstone had broken his promise to serve only two Senate terms, but also because his ideology was on the left fringe.

The decision by many endangered Democratic candidates this year to fudge on issues and even use the image of George W. Bush in their commercials was not for Wellstone. He was the only vulnerable Democratic senator to vote against President Bush's Iraq resolution, and he did not agonize about it.

In my many television interviews and occasional private conversations with Wellstone, he never hid his concern with the pragmatic leadership of the Democratic Party. He often stated that the party was losing its soul under Bill Clinton. When I told him he was my ideal Democratic candidate, Wellstone shot back that I was looking for a loser.

Kidding aside, he was sincere about a presidential bid in 2000 and would have tried had he been able to finance it. Laid-back Bill Bradley was not exactly the passionate Wellstone's kind of Democrat, but he was better than Al Gore in Wellstone's eyes. He could not tolerate the strategizing and hedging of the Gore candidacy.

When I chided Wellstone for breaking his two-term pledge, he told me he felt he was needed not only to counter Bush conservatism but also to avert the Democratic drift. Last year, he spoke out against his party's moderation in these words: "I think Democrats are without a politics if they're not bold and honest for the things they think are right."

Nevertheless, Wellstone had changed during his nearly dozen years as a senator. The fighting left-wing professor from Carleton College had not altered his views but did soften his style. Moreover, he came to love the political game and mastered its tricks -- as he showed in the last hours of his life.

Coleman had correctly pointed out that Wellstone sometimes found himself on the short side of 97 to 3 and 95 to 5 votes, particularly when it came to national defense issues. "I'm running against a guy who's been fighting everybody for years," Coleman told audiences. Wellstone was concerned about being labeled an ineffectual outsider, and tried to do something about it at the Wednesday morning press conference where I encountered him. He brought in eight executives from Minnesota's booming medical device industry to praise him for passage Oct. 17 of a bill to speed government approval of new products. In fact, he was at best a secondary figure in backing the bill, was not a sponsor and was not even on the Senate floor when the bill passed.

The businessmen looked uncomfortable. Wellstone came over to me before the press conference began. "This is counterintuitive," he told me, his eyes twinkling. Paul Wellstone was exaggerating his role, but he was delighted by his command performance for CEOs who had made maximum contributions to his Republican opponent. Paul Wellstone was enjoying the great game, with two more days to live.

PEGGY NOONAN

Paul Wellstone: An Appreciation A good guy dies an untimely death.

Friday, October 25, 2002 3:50 p.m.

Liberals don't appreciate conservatives enough. Conservatives don't appreciate liberals enough either. Here's an appreciation of Paul Wellstone, who died a few hours ago in the middle of a great battle in the heart of the great democracy.

I met him only once, in Washington, in 1996. I wish I'd taken notes and could refer to them now. We met in the halls of the Senate, introduced by a mutual acquaintance, and what I remember is Wellstone was funny and modest and shy, and I thought: Good guy. It was an instinctive response, an instinctive read, and I trusted it.

A few minutes ago on CNN, Candy Crowley, a reporter one of whose gifts is an obvious sense of humanity toward those she covers, said that Wellstone was "a pure liberal"--meaning he wasn't kidding; his liberalism wasn't a jacket he put on in the morning to fool the rubes and powers--he meant it. He seemed to be a politician who was not a cynic, who was not poll driven, who was not in it just for the enjoyments of power. He operated from belief. And as beliefs do, his sometimes cost him. It's possible, perhaps likely, that his belief that an American invasion of Iraq was wrong was costing him in Minnesota, his state, which he was furiously stumping, hop-scotching over the snow banks in a chartered plane, in an effort to hold on to his Senate seat.

It's good to have men and women of belief in Congress. It's tragic to lose one. It's amazing to live in a time when these Allen Drury-type "Advise and Consent" plot twists yank the drama of the coming election off its predictable tracks. And it seems to me more and more in our country that we're getting these dramatic and unpredictable and novelistic plot changes, whatever that means and for whatever it's worth.

But here's what I really want to say. Democracy requires warriors. It requires leaders. It requires people who will go out there and fight for their vision of a better country in a better world. It requires men and women who will go into politics, and who will, in going into politics, in a way lose their lives. Or lose the relaxed enjoyment of daily life.

Politicians live lives of constant movement and effort, lives in which days are broken up into pieces that don't always cohere--up at 5, first breakfast at 6:30, run all day, on the plane, on the bus, into the van, to the fund-raiser, to the speech, to the dinner for the union supporter, to the late-night meeting with reporters; and don't forget to sound confident, to have the facts, to seem engaged. The exhaustion of constant extroverting; the fatigue of the modern politician. The only good reason to live like that is the desire to pull forward and push into being your vision of How Things Ought to Be. Those who do it for other reasons--well, as George Orwell said, they wind up with the faces they deserve. It takes commitment and hunger to live a political life. But when the person living it brings other qualities--a sincerity, a seriousness of purpose, a respect for the meaning of things--and when it is accompanied by a personal style of natural modesty twinned with political confidence, well, it's a moving thing to see. It's inspiring. It reminds you that there are good people in politics. And modern democracies need all the reminders they can get.

When conservatives disagree with liberals, and they're certain the liberal they're disagreeing with is merely cynical, merely playing the numbers, merely playing politics, it's a souring experience. When liberals disagree with conservatives and they're sure the conservative they're disagreeing with is motivated by meanness or malice, it's an embittering experience. But when you disagree with someone on politics and you know the person you're disagreeing with isn't cynical or mean but well meaning and ardent and serious--well, that isn't souring or embittering. That's democracy, the best of democracy, what democracy ought to be about. Paul Wellstone was a good guy. His friend Sen. Sam Brownback, a Kansas Republican, spoke at some length this afternoon about his "caring and belief." When tough old Pat Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, spoke of Wellstone this afternoon on CNN, he began to weep. And when Pete Domenici, tough old Republican of New Mexico, followed Mr. Leahy on CNN, he too began to weep, and had to beg off the interview.

Senators ain't sissies. They can be one cold crew. But Wellstone touched them in a way that was special, and that I think had something to do with democracy, and those who grace it.

It's sad to lose a good man. Good for America for raising him; good for Minnesota for raising him to the Senate; good for Wellstone for being motivated by belief and the desire to make our country better.


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1 posted on 10/26/2002 9:03:33 PM PDT by fatguy
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To: fatguy
What are the odds that liberal would be a good man?
2 posted on 10/26/2002 9:04:34 PM PDT by fatguy
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To: fatguy
This is what I am waiting for, when Ronald Reagan dies, I want to hear some ultra-liberals praise him. (I don't think it will happen...)
3 posted on 10/26/2002 9:11:51 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: fatguy
I admired Wellstone for being honest about his core beliefs and fighting for what he believed. My Congresscritter, Chet Edwards, acts like Tom Delay at home but votes like Shelia Jackson-Lee in D.C. While I'm typing this reply he's running an ad about how much he opposes partial birth abortion even though he voted against limiting it every time it came up for a vote.
4 posted on 10/26/2002 9:12:19 PM PDT by centexan
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To: fatguy
This particular "liberal" wanted to destroy America and replace it with a socialist "worker's paradise".

I can't bring myself to call him a "good" man. Nice maybe, but not at all good.

5 posted on 10/26/2002 9:13:01 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: fatguy
It's amazing how cordial people can be towards you when you've just bought the farm.
6 posted on 10/26/2002 9:14:41 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Utah Girl
This is what I am waiting for, when Ronald Reagan dies, I want to hear some ultra-liberals praise him. (I don't think it will happen...)

It already has. Tip O'Neill used to speak highly of Reagan. Hell he used to play cards with him on an almost weekly basis. Chris Matthews speaks highly of him. I've heard more and more Dems say positive things about Reagan, especially in terms of foreign policy. To hear it though, you have to turn off the ultra sensitive paranoid blinders.

7 posted on 10/26/2002 9:16:18 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: fatguy
"Liberal" is a deceptive description, designed to make him look good to some. In truth, he was a radical leftist, 60s style. Grieving is one thing, but these people making him out to be something he wasn't is dishonest. Typically, right wing pundits put good manners above principle.
8 posted on 10/26/2002 9:17:42 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: fatguy
About the same as stalin, being a good man.
9 posted on 10/26/2002 9:18:32 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: fatguy
"...What are the odds that liberal would be a good man?..."

Roughly the same odds that a 50 year old whore who's been skinning sailor's drawers down for 35 years would be a virgin.

Liberalism is evil, and those who practice it are evil.

To the mewlers and pukers here at FR... He's dead. He can't do any more damage to our country. Bury what little is left of him and saddle up.

10 posted on 10/26/2002 9:22:07 PM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: fatguy
"...What are the odds that liberal would be a good man?..."

Roughly the same odds that a 50 year old whore who's been skinning sailor's drawers down for 35 years would be a virgin.

Liberalism is evil, and those who practice it are evil.

To the mewlers and pukers here at FR... He's dead. He can't do any more damage to our country. Bury what little is left of him and saddle up.

11 posted on 10/26/2002 9:22:11 PM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: fatguy
I am sick of these eulogies. This guy was (and was advocating) sucking at the teat of the great tax-funded state, right? And all I hear is what "passion" he had for the role he played. Sorry to be callous - I am sure their are grief-stricken family and friends that were "innocent"-but I too have a passion - to keep as much of my paystub out of the hands of people like him as is possible. Sorry to be non-PC, but news cycles are fast these days, and those who want to avoid being future prey should keep apace. He was a public figure - we should move on.
12 posted on 10/26/2002 9:24:13 PM PDT by kcar
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To: El Sordo
When I read these things it reminds me of the old Warner Bros Cartoon, with Foghorn Leghorn as a Shepherd and a Wolf prowling after the sheep. At 7 AM they walk to "work" together with their lunchpails and their arms around each other and when the work buzzer goes off, its off to do battle. When the workday ends they shake hands and leave work arm and arm again.

That is what is so disappointing to many of us, we expect a little bit more fire from our representatives and it to carry on past the sessions.

13 posted on 10/26/2002 9:24:43 PM PDT by L`enn
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To: centexan
yes, the weasels, like Ann Richards and Bill Clinton and Chet Edwards and about 100 other Democrats in Congress are often worse than the honest Liberal like Wellstone.

But in the end they are all voting for Liberalism.
14 posted on 10/26/2002 9:26:08 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: clintonh8r
Typically, right wing pundits put good manners above principle.

I was suprised that Novak was uncritical, he normally operates from conservative principle -- calling both Democrates and Republicans to task.

On the other hand, he once praised Steve Neal of the Chicago Sun-times who is an insufferable liberal.

15 posted on 10/26/2002 9:26:57 PM PDT by fatguy
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To: kcar
IN 10 DAYS, THEY'LL BE VOTING DEMOCRAT

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TODAY TO HELP TAKE BACK THE SENATE?

TakeBackCongress.org

A resource for conservatives who want a Republican majority in the Senate

16 posted on 10/26/2002 9:27:10 PM PDT by ffrancone
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To: Gunslingr3; FLdeputy
Conservatives don't appreciate liberals enough either.

This is because liberals are working to destroy America root and branch and replace it with something that looks a lot like Bosnia-Herzegovina. To say I don't "appreciate" liberals is like saying I don't "appreciate" cancer.

Most of the puking "oh-he-was-a-good-guy" pablum I've read about Wellstone focuses on the fact that "at least he was a flat-out liberal who was honest in his beliefs." Stalin was pretty unrepentant and honest about his beliefs too, does that make him "good"?

Most of Paul Wellstone's ideas were antithetical to the idea of freedom. It's a shame he's dead, but certainly not a shame he no longer has his leftist claws wrapped around a Senator's power.

17 posted on 10/26/2002 9:29:30 PM PDT by Jonathon Spectre
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To: fatguy
Funny how wellstone gets praise upon praise for being sincere and yet any conservative who would dare sincerely criticize his socialistic bent is scalded by the "genteel" amongst us.
18 posted on 10/26/2002 9:30:31 PM PDT by E=MC<sup>2</sup>
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To: WOSG
But in the end they are all voting for Liberalism.

Absolutely. And they must be defeated. But I won't demonize Wellstone 'cuz he was wrong in his politics. At least he was honest about it. I'll save my loathing for Clinton and his ilk.

20 posted on 10/26/2002 9:33:27 PM PDT by centexan
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To: DWSUWF
I think Wellstone would have proudly called himself a Communist if he thought it wouldn't prevent his election.
21 posted on 10/26/2002 9:34:43 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: fatguy
It reminds me of when I was in High School. I had a friend who was largely ignored by most of the student body. He was a very average student and athlete, but he lived next door to some friends of my parents, we became friendly as kids and stayed friends. I may have been the only friend he had in school. One day it was announced before 1st period that my friend had been killed the night before in a car accident. I was shocked and very saddened, but not nearly as shocked as I was at the way everyone in school reacted. Girls who wouldn't have given Tony the time of day if he'd ever screwed up the courage to ask for it were crying and sobbing about what a great friend they'd lost...teachers too. It seemed like everyone wanted to be part of something sad, like they wanted to gieve and felt good doing it.

Ever since then I've looked at these outporings of post mortem adulation with a very jaundiced eye. The makeshift memorials that spring up all over the place now wherever a tragedy occur always make me wonder just how genuine the emotion on display is..how much it has to do with the victima nd how much it has to do with people wanting attention.

22 posted on 10/26/2002 9:39:51 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Dave S
Well, excuse me for being so paranoid. Let's wait and see what happens. Seems to me when the US House wanted to send birthday greetings to President Reagan a couple of years ago for his 90th birthday, many dem members wouldn't. And weren't reprimanded or even called on it.
23 posted on 10/26/2002 9:47:19 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: El Sordo
It's amazing how cordial people can be towards you when you've just bought the farm.

Death has a way of leveling the field. What amazes me is that pure devotion to one's own agenda is somehow worthy of high praise from all quarters. So the guy was devoted and unabashedly so. He was still wrong.

24 posted on 10/26/2002 9:48:54 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: pgkdan
You nailed it. It's a culture of death and grieving. As Jimmy Durante (for those who remember him) used to say, "Everybody wants ta get inta da act!"
25 posted on 10/26/2002 9:56:36 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: Utah Girl
Yes, Paul Wellstone was a good liberal. Respected and well liked. He was a principled ideologue and would argue passionately in support of his values and beliefs. Wellstone didn't allow his politics to turn personal.

I'm sure when the time comes and Ronald Reagan leaves this world, many liberals will be dancing in the streets and celebrating. So be it.

Let's not forget, many in the opposition party may have respected Reagan, but even more on the leftwing, feared Reagan and that counts a lot more in my book.

26 posted on 10/26/2002 9:57:17 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
So true. I did admire Paul Wellstone, even though I disagreed with his politics. He was consistent and stood up for what he believed.

And I have heard a few liberals who liked and worked with Reagan. However, most feared him and hated him. I guess we will see when he dies. May God rest his soul.

27 posted on 10/26/2002 10:02:21 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: El Sordo
It's amazing how cordial people can be towards you when you've just bought the farm.

Well, I'm not going to be cordial. Wellstone was an enemy of the State...of Alaska. He lapped up the eco-terrorist party line hook, line and sinker. I, for one, will not miss his meddling in Alaska. Now onward to victory in November and then the opening of ANWR.

28 posted on 10/26/2002 10:19:29 PM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: DWSUWF
Liberalism is evil, and those who practice it are evil.

To the mewlers and pukers here at FR... He's dead. He can't do any more damage to our country. Bury what little is left of him and saddle up.

And you're a thoughtless jerk. But, then, you demonstrate it every time you open your yap.

Your mother didn't teach you any manners, did she?

29 posted on 10/26/2002 10:28:34 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: AlaskaErik
Wellstone was an enemy of the State...of Alaska.

If character counts, he apparently had plenty of that. So does Jimmy Carter, another enemy of Alaska. But, Wellstone did it the way he saw it honestly. That he saw things wrong is just one of those things. Like a photographer with no depth perception.

30 posted on 10/26/2002 10:30:13 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: pgkdan
You're right. It's like the guy who arrived a little late at a funeral. He sat there uncomfortably and listened to all the glowing remarks made about the deceased guy lying up there in the front of the funeral parlor. When the service was over, he went up front and looked in the casket to be sure he was in the right place, because what was said didn't fit the Joe he knew.
31 posted on 10/26/2002 10:31:09 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: Reagan Man
Wellstone didn't allow his politics to turn personal. Paul Wellstone's speechy defense of partial birth abortion had a very personal effect on every child aborted by such means since he helped to keep the heinous serial killing method legal! That's pretty damn personal in my book as I speak up for the little ones.

Good man or bad, he is now in God's hands ... and it is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of an angry God.

32 posted on 10/26/2002 10:38:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: centexan
Doubtless numerous ordinary Germans at one point admired Herr Hitler for being honest about his core beliefs. Equally without doubt, the entire CPSU admired Dzugashvili for being honest (dubious proposition) about HIS core beliefs.

Couldn't care less about your 'Critter. You either believe that government has UNLIMITED rights to your, my, and everyone else's property, or you do not.

Given your commentary, it's rather obvious which choice you've made.

33 posted on 10/26/2002 10:40:54 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: fatguy
He was sincere and appeared personable....that's it in a nutshell. Yes he was indeed an unreconstructed 60s radical.

Let's now say our amens and work to get that seat for our side.

An even more bizarre case would be Ted Kennedy. He is pure anathema to most of us here but I have been told by more than one conservative Senator and Congressman that he is very well liked in the capital even by his foes.

Sometimes, personality reaches over dogma or even obvious serious character flaws as in the case of Ted.

I'm only relaying what I've been told. I don't much care for him or the now departed Wellstone but I will refrain from pissing on Wellstone and his family's grave. Game over for them.
34 posted on 10/26/2002 10:41:53 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: fatguy
He was a nice guy.
If his time had come,
there would have been tears in his eyes
when he voted to send you to a 're-education camp'.
35 posted on 10/26/2002 10:44:56 PM PDT by Nogbad
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To: El Sordo
It's amazing how cordial people can be towards you when you've just bought the farm.

If Jesse Helms had been struck down in his prime, I doubt we would be hearing from Bill Press, Daschle, and Wellstone about his convictions, honor, etc.

They'd be dancing in the streets from Chapel Hill to the Castro district of San Francisco.

36 posted on 10/26/2002 10:55:22 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: fatguy
Wellstone stuck too his core beliefs when it suited him.
For war when a democrat is president. For guns when his but is on the line. Against pack money accept for him. For term limits unless for him. Lies about people he runs against. against money for the military unless he needs the support from voters. Rest his soul, but these people are making him into Elvis.
37 posted on 10/26/2002 10:57:58 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: pgkdan
I concur completely with your thoughts regarding what had happened to your friend. I am sorry not only for his loss, but also for the degrading aftermath of the phony grief that must have made it worse for you and his family. Fakery, in all its forms, is easy to see through, and in that situation make the grieving and sense of loss all the more worse.
38 posted on 10/26/2002 11:08:58 PM PDT by lavrenti
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To: fatguy
Perhaps I can sum up this thread in a way that will be satisfactory to most of us.

Basic human integrity and decency have gotten to be so damn rare in the Democratic Party that if you find even one liberal that seems to actually have it, it's hard for many of us not to feel appreciation and extend hearty congratulations.

39 posted on 10/26/2002 11:56:26 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: fatguy
What are the odds that liberal would be a good man?

I believe that it's possible. IMHO, there are two types of liberals: a) The type who really believes in what they say b) The type who uses the words of socialism to bring power to themselves.

I used to believe that Wellstone was merely misguided, like the people I described as type a. However, given his breaking of his term limit pledge, he may have been edging over to the type b liberal... On the other hand, it's possible that he was just doing what he believed was needed to combat encroaching liberties on his beliefs... It seems that most liberals believe that if they do what's for the "greater good," then a criminal act can't be wrong, for the ends always justify the means...

Mark

40 posted on 10/27/2002 12:35:42 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: MHGinTN
I am completely overjoyed right now. MHGinTN and DWSUWF and everyone else who posted here what I have been thinking as well.

I have been to several different message boards lately, and even the regulars on anncoulter.org chat of all places are playing the sanctimonious "he was a good man/how sad he is gone/he was honest and sincere" song. EVERYONE is in on it! Conservatives expressing their logical opinions are having their posts deleted. And to me that is unbelievable from people who claim to be conservative. Maybe I have been missing something, but if liberalism is so anathema to us, why should we be sad when a liberal who believes as Wellstone did is dispached to the next world?

DWSUWF, your tone was exactly perfect--not disrespectful, not tearful. Just a pithy "move along."

As far as I'm concerned, Paul Wellstone was one of the reasons that America's heart is dying. It seems recent events are undoing the stranglehold that haters of freedom have had on it so maybe it can beat a little more strongly now. We are all FReer now that Wellstone is gone, and that includes the unborn.

Thank you thank you thank you, FReepers, for being here and expressing opinions that are so extremely unpopular right now. I think I will be posting here more often from now on, because I feel like I came home reading this thread.

41 posted on 10/27/2002 1:41:14 AM PDT by PetiteMericco
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To: sinkspur
"...And you're a thoughtless jerk. But, then, you demonstrate it every time you open your yap...Your mother didn't teach you any manners, did she?..."

When you object to something I say I know I'm on the right track.

Thanks!

42 posted on 10/27/2002 4:52:17 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: clintonh8r
"...I think Wellstone would have proudly called himself a Communist if he thought it wouldn't prevent his election..."

The more I learn about his record the more I would agree with your remark.

And yet we see a river of tears and mealy-mouthed feel-good pap spouted for him here at FR.

Creepy...

43 posted on 10/27/2002 4:56:52 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: fatguy
I take Novak as kinda damning Wellstone with faint praise. His mentioning of the breaking of the term limits pledge and his proving that he's capable of hypocrisy, as with the CEO's.
44 posted on 10/27/2002 5:01:28 AM PST by jackbill
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To: PetiteMericco
"...DWSUWF, your tone was exactly perfect--not disrespectful, not tearful. Just a pithy "move along."..."

Thanks!

But -be forewarned- sinkspur is going to see this and say something bad about your mother...

45 posted on 10/27/2002 5:03:11 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: fatguy
What are the odds that liberal would be a good man?

Steve Allen was a liberal and was a hell of a NICE GUY. I met him once. Allen didn't put on any celebrity airs. He even whipped out a small tape recorder and asked me for my name and address. I gave it to him and soon afterwards I received a nice letter from him. We exchanged letters back and forth for a few months after that. Nice guy. BTW, I didn't discuss politics with him but he was so interesting that we had lots of other things to talk and write about.

46 posted on 10/27/2002 5:11:12 AM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: E=MC<sup>2</sup>
Funny how wellstone gets praise upon praise for being sincere and yet any conservative who would dare sincerely criticize his socialistic bent is scalded by the "genteel" amongst us

Wellstone fought for policies and programs (misguided though they were). Some of you seem to be arguing that he was an evil PERSON because of his beliefs.

47 posted on 10/27/2002 6:19:43 AM PST by Dave S
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To: dts32041
About the same as stalin, being a good man.

Boy that makes sense (SARCASM OFF). Wellstone was the happy warrior who didnt say a bad thing about any one else and could defend his positions and then leave the Senate floor and share a drink with his opponent.

Stalin on the other hand was a Communist in name only. He was an authoritarian dictator who would kill his own mother to retain power. He was mean spirited, conniving, and everything was done for his benefit alone. Yeah thats a great comparison.

48 posted on 10/27/2002 6:24:57 AM PST by Dave S
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To: fatguy
Well, he was not known for beating his wife, abusing his children, or kicking his dog.
49 posted on 10/27/2002 6:31:17 AM PST by verity
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To: fatguy
I realize that if they where to say "Oh well, Just another dead liberal" what most of us are probably thinking, they would have a problem but I have no problem saying it Because I do not believe we are all Just friends in the end and that we are all Americans I see the Liberal movement as a true threat to my secure,safe and free future. I really wish conservatives mostly the Public ones would start getting some balls and stand up and attack liberals just as they do conservatives and stop believing these people(dems)are our friends.
50 posted on 10/27/2002 6:40:17 AM PST by repub32
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