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Novak & Noonan Say Wellstone Was Good Man -- What Are the Odds?
Houston Chronical & Wall Street Journal ^ | 10/25/02 & 10/26/02 | Novak & Noonan (Separately)

Posted on 10/26/2002 9:03:32 PM PDT by fatguy

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To: MHGinTN
I am completely overjoyed right now. MHGinTN and DWSUWF and everyone else who posted here what I have been thinking as well.

I have been to several different message boards lately, and even the regulars on anncoulter.org chat of all places are playing the sanctimonious "he was a good man/how sad he is gone/he was honest and sincere" song. EVERYONE is in on it! Conservatives expressing their logical opinions are having their posts deleted. And to me that is unbelievable from people who claim to be conservative. Maybe I have been missing something, but if liberalism is so anathema to us, why should we be sad when a liberal who believes as Wellstone did is dispached to the next world?

DWSUWF, your tone was exactly perfect--not disrespectful, not tearful. Just a pithy "move along."

As far as I'm concerned, Paul Wellstone was one of the reasons that America's heart is dying. It seems recent events are undoing the stranglehold that haters of freedom have had on it so maybe it can beat a little more strongly now. We are all FReer now that Wellstone is gone, and that includes the unborn.

Thank you thank you thank you, FReepers, for being here and expressing opinions that are so extremely unpopular right now. I think I will be posting here more often from now on, because I feel like I came home reading this thread.

41 posted on 10/27/2002 1:41:14 AM PDT by PetiteMericco
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To: sinkspur
"...And you're a thoughtless jerk. But, then, you demonstrate it every time you open your yap...Your mother didn't teach you any manners, did she?..."

When you object to something I say I know I'm on the right track.

Thanks!

42 posted on 10/27/2002 4:52:17 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: clintonh8r
"...I think Wellstone would have proudly called himself a Communist if he thought it wouldn't prevent his election..."

The more I learn about his record the more I would agree with your remark.

And yet we see a river of tears and mealy-mouthed feel-good pap spouted for him here at FR.

Creepy...

43 posted on 10/27/2002 4:56:52 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: fatguy
I take Novak as kinda damning Wellstone with faint praise. His mentioning of the breaking of the term limits pledge and his proving that he's capable of hypocrisy, as with the CEO's.
44 posted on 10/27/2002 5:01:28 AM PST by jackbill
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To: PetiteMericco
"...DWSUWF, your tone was exactly perfect--not disrespectful, not tearful. Just a pithy "move along."..."

Thanks!

But -be forewarned- sinkspur is going to see this and say something bad about your mother...

45 posted on 10/27/2002 5:03:11 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: fatguy
What are the odds that liberal would be a good man?

Steve Allen was a liberal and was a hell of a NICE GUY. I met him once. Allen didn't put on any celebrity airs. He even whipped out a small tape recorder and asked me for my name and address. I gave it to him and soon afterwards I received a nice letter from him. We exchanged letters back and forth for a few months after that. Nice guy. BTW, I didn't discuss politics with him but he was so interesting that we had lots of other things to talk and write about.

46 posted on 10/27/2002 5:11:12 AM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: E=MC<sup>2</sup>
Funny how wellstone gets praise upon praise for being sincere and yet any conservative who would dare sincerely criticize his socialistic bent is scalded by the "genteel" amongst us

Wellstone fought for policies and programs (misguided though they were). Some of you seem to be arguing that he was an evil PERSON because of his beliefs.

47 posted on 10/27/2002 6:19:43 AM PST by Dave S
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To: dts32041
About the same as stalin, being a good man.

Boy that makes sense (SARCASM OFF). Wellstone was the happy warrior who didnt say a bad thing about any one else and could defend his positions and then leave the Senate floor and share a drink with his opponent.

Stalin on the other hand was a Communist in name only. He was an authoritarian dictator who would kill his own mother to retain power. He was mean spirited, conniving, and everything was done for his benefit alone. Yeah thats a great comparison.

48 posted on 10/27/2002 6:24:57 AM PST by Dave S
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To: fatguy
Well, he was not known for beating his wife, abusing his children, or kicking his dog.
49 posted on 10/27/2002 6:31:17 AM PST by verity
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To: fatguy
I realize that if they where to say "Oh well, Just another dead liberal" what most of us are probably thinking, they would have a problem but I have no problem saying it Because I do not believe we are all Just friends in the end and that we are all Americans I see the Liberal movement as a true threat to my secure,safe and free future. I really wish conservatives mostly the Public ones would start getting some balls and stand up and attack liberals just as they do conservatives and stop believing these people(dems)are our friends.
50 posted on 10/27/2002 6:40:17 AM PST by repub32
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To: fatguy
In the same manner that people fail to see Islam as the enemy of the United States, they fail to see liberals as social and legal terrorists bent on the destruction of the Constitution and our country.

Wellestone was a far left-wing socialist. Such ilk are anti-capitalism, anti-freedom bigots who want to impose their politically-correct values on Americans.

They support America's enemies, believe Castro is a brilliant communist leader who has made Cuba a shining example of what our country COULD BE LIKE if only they they had total power to implement their communist policies.

Terrorists come in many guises. Some point a gun at you. Some sit in Washington as liberal Senators and attempt to dismantle the U.S. Constitution. Some fly airplanes into buildings. Some prevent a President from filling Federal judgeships. Some live in caves in Afghanistan. Some live Hyannis and sip champagne while spouting tritisms about conservatives wanting to kill old people and poison the water and the air, of killing social security.

Paul Wellstone was a terrorist, as certainly as if he had been driving around Washington in a two-toned blue Caprice and murdering people. He just did it in front TV cameras in $2,000 suits, to a fawning socialist public who are too craven to take personal responsibility for their miserable lives and want people like Wellstone and Leahy and Kennedy to be their government sugar-daddies from the cradle to the grave.

My only regret? That Daschle wasn't with him. The only people who will miss Wellestone's politics are the people who want to destroy this country and build their own Peoples Republic of the United Socialist States of Amerika!

51 posted on 10/27/2002 6:45:04 AM PST by Doc Savage
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To: Dave S
Just cause a prostitute sells herself for 25 cents and a call girl sells herself for 400 dollars an hour, doesn't make a difference in the way they make their livings.

Both are prostitues selling something that should be dear to them.

You say he was a happy warrior, was he on some sort of pyscho tropic drug?

52 posted on 10/27/2002 6:52:23 AM PST by dts32041
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To: Doc Savage
In the same manner that people fail to see Islam as the enemy of the United States, they fail to see liberals as social and legal terrorists bent on the destruction of the Constitution and our country.

You are one sick puppy, or should I say pit bull. Its people like you who eventually move on to assasinate their opponents. It's only logical and moral. Bet you are fundamentalist Christian too?

53 posted on 10/27/2002 7:03:48 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Dave S
what a crock Stalin on the other hand was a Communist in name only. No. Stalin was a Communist dictator. He followed the ideology exactly "name only"? what a crock! Enemies of the the state were killed. tartars and independent farmers were starved into submitting to collectivist policies, army men who were politically suspect were murdered 1937-1938 purges), innocent people who dared to even joke about Stalin were sent ot the gulag to die. In the end Stalin killed 20 million or more of his own people. It was a logical conclusion of the Communist ideology that put the state ahead of the individual. People were expendable.

similar destruction occured in China during the 'cultural revolution' and under the communist regime of pol pot. And of course practically every communist country under soviet or chinese orbit, including Cuba up until today, jailed dissidents and political freedom-fighters.

54 posted on 10/27/2002 8:28:36 AM PST by WOSG
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To: MHGinTN
>>>That's pretty damn personal in my book as I speak up for the little ones.

Not that I disagree with you, buy you overlooked the point I was making. There is a very obvious dichotomy that exists between a liberal like Wellstone and a conservative like Reagan. I am a pro-life conservative, so you're talking to the choir. In politics, however, it serves no good purpose to take things so personal, if clouds your better judgment. If you allow allow your emotions to rule over your intellect, you're dead meat.

55 posted on 10/27/2002 9:39:46 AM PST by Reagan Man
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To: WOSG
It was a logical conclusion of the Communist ideology that put the state ahead of the individual. People were expendable.

And Stalin, put the individual, HIMSELF, above the state and the collective. He may have followed Communist ideology but his devotion was to self, not the growth of Communism or the benefit of the workers. People are expendable under any dictatorship when they are a threat to the dictator.

56 posted on 10/27/2002 9:48:25 AM PST by Dave S
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57 posted on 10/27/2002 9:50:58 AM PST by kcar
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To: Dave S
To hear it though, you have to turn off the ultra sensitive paranoid blinders

Sage advice, unfortunately too few on this thread seem to be heeding it.

58 posted on 10/27/2002 9:52:16 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: L`enn
Like they do in the Balkans and the Middle East?
59 posted on 10/27/2002 9:53:23 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Doc Savage; Reagan Man; PetiteMericco
He just did it in front TV cameras in $2,000 suits... Doc, I don't believe Paul Wellstone would waste funds on $2000 suits and I cannot agree that Daschle should have been on the plane with the man when it nosed into a Minnesota forest. I don't relish the death of the man and his family, but I will not back off from pointing to the man's societal engineering philosophy that included supporting heinous partial birth abortion.

The clinton snake, Carvile, tried to make the statement that republican appointed moderate judges (read less socialist judges, socialist/activist being the type the democrats desire on the SCOTUS) would result in not protecting women. That is the type of demaogoguery that Wellstone used regularly. Abortion, especially in late term, is serail killing sanctioned and forwarded by the democrat party as 'women's health' or a 'protection for women'. 99% of abortions are just seemy murder of an unborn individual human being, with no applicability to protecting a woman. That type of sick, twisted demagoguery is disgusting and typical of the Carvile snake, but it pervades the despotic democrat party and dribbles out of some republicans as political manuevering. [It was so pleasant to watch Newt dissect the snake of clintonism despite Russert's efforts to allow carvile hit and runs on the truth.]

Reagan Man, 'If you allow allow your emotions to rule over your intellect, you're dead meat' ... try me, bub. My intellect carries far more regarding the issues of abortion on demand than the average pol would care to read. I get emotional boost from warring against sanctioned serial killing of the most innocent individual human beings in our nation. My emotion doesn't overrule my intellect, it feeds to it the energy to carry on against overwhelming sadness for the little ones lost to PC bullsh!t. Wellstone championed serialized murder, for political expedience, probably. But what if he really believed it is okay to murder the unborn? There are too numerous despotic democrats that do believe that and they enlist uninformed voter support to continue the holocaust.

60 posted on 10/27/2002 10:08:29 AM PST by MHGinTN
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