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Civilians patrol border (Arizona)
The Tucson Citizen ^ | Oct. 28, 2002 | SUSAN CARROLL

Posted on 10/28/2002 5:39:36 AM PST by madfly

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:37:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A satellite cell phone in one hand and a global-positioning satellite unit in the other, Glenn Spencer of the American Border Patrol poses at the group's headquarters in Sierra Vista. In the background is an antenna that connects headquarters to the Internet.


(Excerpt) Read more at tucsoncitizen.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: azborderpatrol; deportation; glennspencer; illegalimmigrants; ins; isabelgarcia
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1 posted on 10/28/2002 5:39:36 AM PST by madfly
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To: Sabertooth
Glenn Spencer ping
2 posted on 10/28/2002 5:41:51 AM PST by madfly
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ping
3 posted on 10/28/2002 5:43:20 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
Speculation:

Soon, the federal government will spend proportionately more time and resources fighting Ranch Rescue than they do Illegal Aliens.



4 posted on 10/28/2002 5:47:28 AM PST by Sabertooth
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ping
5 posted on 10/28/2002 5:48:43 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
"The situation has law enforcement worried, especially the actions of Ranch Rescue members, who last week scared off drug smugglers and netted 279 pounds of marijuana near the hamlet of Lochiel, on the border 65 miles southeast of Tucson. "We understand the ranchers are frustrated" with immigrants and drug smugglers crossing their lands, said Kyle Barnette, a U.S. Customs associate special agent in charge in Arizona. "However, it's not an environment that novices or amateurs should be meddling in."

This makes me sick. Looks like the "Federales" are the amateurs. God Bless these patriots.

6 posted on 10/28/2002 5:51:43 AM PST by undergroundwarrior
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To: madfly
Let's see, the Government, whose Constitutional duty is to protect our borders, doesn't.

It spends too much time and money doing things the Government shuld not be doing.

Then when citizens do something about it, they get upset.

Unbelievable.
7 posted on 10/28/2002 5:52:06 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: madfly
Un-flipping-real...this is yellow journalism at it's best...

The author paints Glenn Spencer with the 'radical' Ranch Rescue brush... And that she lends any credence whatsoever to the Garcia witch is absolutely unforgiveable...

This rates another letter to editor!

HJ
8 posted on 10/28/2002 5:52:39 AM PST by HiJinx
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To: madfly
A member of the American Border Patrol, Barnett says he and his brother have assisted in the arrest of more than 2,000 illegal immigrants crossing his 22,000-acre property in Cochise County this year.

Somebody has to do it. The government can not, OR WILL NOT. God Bless 'em.

Free Fire Zone

9 posted on 10/28/2002 5:52:43 AM PST by Free Fire Zone
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To: Sabertooth
Speculation:

You misspelled prophesy.

10 posted on 10/28/2002 5:55:34 AM PST by LTCJ
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To: madfly
I love the "anti-immigration organization" tag.
Typical Liberal spin.
It's anti-ILLEGAL Immigration!
11 posted on 10/28/2002 5:58:26 AM PST by SpartacusII
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To: Free Fire Zone
I am sure a lot of Americans share our sentiments for these patriots.

I live in NYC and get sickened each day. A walk outside my house notices illegals sleeping in the park across the street, illegals drinking on the corner and urinating / crapping on the sidewald. Not to mention: Nobody speaks English anymore.

Since Mr Bush won't protect us (afraid of offending his good pal Vincente Fox)these guys are doing what they feel is right.

12 posted on 10/28/2002 5:59:04 AM PST by undergroundwarrior
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To: madfly
" Barnette said. "I would suggest I could train a chimpanzee to catch 300 pounds of weed.""

So, Barnett says that he is unable to do what a chimp can do?

""Any confrontation they have ... could be deadly or dangerous," Estrada said. "

So, they agree that there needs to be armed patrols, right? Unfortunately, they don't agree, so we have the following logic:

Illegals are decent and honest people who pose no threat to our society, but to stop them from entering is dangerous.

And the following:

Armed border patrols are too much, but such patrols should be done with extreme caution as they can be dangerous.

It seems someone isn't making much sense.
13 posted on 10/28/2002 6:00:43 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: undergroundwarrior
these guys are doing what they feel is right

And taking some pretty high-powered heat for it, too.

14 posted on 10/28/2002 6:00:57 AM PST by HiJinx
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To: madfly
Bump from the state of Washington, where Mexicans and Middle Easterners swarm up from Mexico and the loose as a goose Canadian border simultaniously.
15 posted on 10/28/2002 6:01:42 AM PST by doxteve
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To: doxteve
the swarms have hit central virginia-BORDER CONTROL or IMPEACHMENT!!
16 posted on 10/28/2002 6:06:12 AM PST by 1234
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To: SAMWolf
No doubt in my mind that the gov will be willing to spend far more dollars to protect these illegal invaders from American citizens than they now do trying to keep the invaders out...
17 posted on 10/28/2002 6:07:11 AM PST by Iscool
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To: 1234
It is getting out of control. NOt just a problem for NY or Ca. anymore. America is being invaded.
18 posted on 10/28/2002 6:10:41 AM PST by undergroundwarrior
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To: Thud
ping
19 posted on 10/28/2002 6:12:01 AM PST by Dark Wing
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To: madfly
"Looking at their Web sites ... and hearing from the folks in the border areas, they have people who are Soldier of Fortune kind of guys. It's pretty frightening."

Sorry Contessa, these are just plain American citizens trying to keep the U.S. from looking like Mexico...And unlike the criminal invaders, they are doing it legally...

20 posted on 10/28/2002 6:13:47 AM PST by Iscool
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To: madfly
"Law enforcement agencies do not appreciate the ultimatum."

Well boo (bleep)ing hoo! We hire these border patrol types to do a job, and all we hear from them is that illegal infiltrators get to chase them around in our own country with gunfire.

If they can't or won't do the job, they can just flip hamburgers for a living and we'll get the job done some other way.

They need to remember just who they're working for! We don't "appreciate" their not appreciating our ultimatum, either. (/rant)

21 posted on 10/28/2002 6:17:13 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: madfly
Where is it written that Americans are to give up their rights to protect their lives and property just because the local, state and fed gov't created agencies to "protect the public" then fail to do so?
22 posted on 10/28/2002 6:18:37 AM PST by aeronca
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To: madfly
Maybe these citizen border patrol people should receive deputy status?! They might FINALLY give a little backbone to the cowardly INS!
23 posted on 10/28/2002 6:33:16 AM PST by Graewoulf
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To: Sabertooth; madfly
The American Border Patrol and Ranch Rescue are upsetting the status quo and are going to throw a monkey-wrench into the underground economy.

How long is the bribe money going to continue to roll in from the smugglers, trafficking in drugs and illegal aliens, if their shipments can't be guaranteed unmolested entrance?

Don't these do-gooders know they're ruining a good thing?

>sarcasm<

24 posted on 10/28/2002 6:36:15 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: madfly
Our American ancestors did just fine without the protection of da law, in fact they were da law west of the pecos. Looks like they still are.
25 posted on 10/28/2002 6:36:41 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: madfly
Bump & Index.

Sounds like the "gov't workers" are afraid of loosing their jobs.
26 posted on 10/28/2002 6:37:00 AM PST by chuknospam
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To: madfly
I especially liked this part:
"The Nature Conservancy, which owns the land where Ranch Rescue confiscated the marijuana, promptly asked the group to leave after the marijuana seizure..."
Of course!
Marijuana is just another organicly produced little bit of nature's bounty.
27 posted on 10/28/2002 6:40:07 AM PST by norton
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To: HiJinx
these guys are doing what they feel is right

Now you know this was written by a liberal.
Logical people do not "feel" that something is right or wrong. They look at the situation vs a rule set and see if it complies to the rule set or not.

The people that break our immigration laws, despite our empathy for their very human desire to get a better life, are criminals.
People who cannot handle this fact should work to change the immigration laws - increase the numbers of legal immigration, or pass "migrant worker" exceptions. Every person that comes in should be accounted for through legal processing. Anyone going around this legal process is a criminal.

28 posted on 10/28/2002 6:43:03 AM PST by MrB
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To: madfly
Related: INS is the root cause of the flood of illegal immigrants in this country. Here's proof,
29 posted on 10/28/2002 6:48:28 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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ping

(thought you might be interested)

30 posted on 10/28/2002 7:03:59 AM PST by occam's chainsaw
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To: aeronca
Where is it written that Americans are to give up their rights to protect their lives and property just because the local, state and fed gov't created agencies to "protect the public" then fail to do so? These Americans are protecting not only their own lives and property but the lives and property of the Nation, by doing a job left by many well paid personnel.
31 posted on 10/28/2002 7:12:44 AM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
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AND I CAN'T VOTE.

PLEASE, HELP TAKE BACK THE SENATE.
IT'S FOR THE PUPPIES!

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32 posted on 10/28/2002 7:13:10 AM PST by ffrancone
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To: MrB
MrB, Miss Isabel disagrees with you.


Isabel Garcia
Aztlan Witch

33 posted on 10/28/2002 7:18:06 AM PST by madfly
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To: 4Freedom
bttt
34 posted on 10/28/2002 7:22:32 AM PST by madfly
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To: undergroundwarrior
Do you not suspect that one of the reasons so little is done to stop illegals and drug smuggling is because the profits are shared with law enforcement? Everyone of these so called agents should resign. They sure as hell are not doing us any good. With the exception of little Elian of course.
35 posted on 10/28/2002 7:26:02 AM PST by willyone
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To: madfly
"We understand the ranchers are frustrated" with immigrants and drug smugglers crossing their lands, said Kyle Barnette, a U.S. Customs associate special agent in charge in Arizona. "However, it's not an environment that novices or amateurs should be meddling in.

Right !! That's why the gov't should get the hell out of there !!


36 posted on 10/28/2002 7:31:03 AM PST by unixfox
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To: Sabertooth
............spend proportionately more time and resources...........

While I fully realize you are being sarcastic and funny, the point you make is also so true that it makes me sad.

37 posted on 10/28/2002 7:31:36 AM PST by DoctorMichael
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To: madfly
This is what it's getting down to??

And while our very own backyard -- the US borders -- remains an unsecured sieve, the U.S. military and intelligence are spending untold billions and doggedly tracking "enemy forces" via the latest technological means in a dozen other countries around the globe.

Good thing U.S. policy-makers aren't in the car-manufacturing business as well; Standard features would include a 500 hp engine; however brakes and steering wheel would be "optional".

38 posted on 10/28/2002 7:32:57 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: gubamyster
bttt
39 posted on 10/28/2002 8:19:03 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: madfly
If the INS was doing it's job, this situation wouldn't be happening.

Citizens have a right to protect themselves and their property. That's why they are called "citizens" and not "subjects", where the Crown holds all authority for law and order. If our feckless government agencies can't do their jobs, they should get out of the way and let somebody who can and wants to do it, do it.

I predict illegal immigration and border problems will quickly decrease in this area.

40 posted on 10/28/2002 8:41:02 AM PST by Gritty
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To: 1234
You know something's up when a one-horse town like Cullman, AL has half of everything in Spanish.
41 posted on 10/28/2002 8:42:11 AM PST by banjo joe
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bttt
43 posted on 10/28/2002 9:06:22 AM PST by madfly
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NEWSFLASH! An Article on the Illegal Alien Invasion was pulled. Reason: AMERICAN PATROL IS NOT WELCOME ON FREE REPUBLIC, SORRY!


Freep This Poll on the Illegal Alien Invasion ^
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On News/Activism ^ 10/28/2002 12:25 PM MST #2 of 2
     
 

Is this the last thread on ABP?


45 posted on 10/28/2002 1:35:22 PM PST by madfly
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What's going on? Now American Patrol is a target? Give me a break. This is pathetic. People aren't allowed to speak out against the illegal invasion. What's this country coming to?
46 posted on 10/28/2002 1:51:12 PM PST by FreedomFriend
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What's going on? Now American Patrol is a target?

Why!!!? WTF, Over!!?

47 posted on 10/28/2002 2:17:10 PM PST by Spiff
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Why?????????
49 posted on 10/28/2002 2:22:57 PM PST by undergroundwarrior
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Any reason given????
50 posted on 10/28/2002 2:29:33 PM PST by sarcasm
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