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Gun-Toting Students Show More Risky Behaviors
Reuters Health via Yahoo ^ | 10-28-02 | Alison McCook

Posted on 10/28/2002 12:58:34 PM PST by Pharmboy

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Approximately 4% of US college students own guns, and those that do are more likely than others to engage in certain high-risk behaviors, such as binge drinking, new study findings show.

Dr. Matthew Miller of Harvard University in Boston and his colleagues found that gun-owning college students tend to drink higher amounts of alcohol at a time, and when doing so, are more likely than others to have unprotected sex and run-ins with police.

Other high-risk behaviors more commonly noted in gun-owners included driving while drunk and using crack and cocaine. Students were also more likely to own guns if they were attending college in a part of the country where gun ownership was more common in the general population.

Miller told Reuters Health that the study did not assess why gun-owners are more likely to show high-risk behaviors in college than those without guns, but he speculated that this tendency "may reflect a disposition to both own guns and engage in risky behavior."

Alternatively, the researcher suggested that some gun-owners may become "emboldened" by their weapons, and may consequently act in ways they would not if they didn't own guns. However, he noted that the behaviors seen in the study--binge drinking and unprotected sex, for example--are not commonly seen as behaviors of an emboldened person.

Miller and his team obtained their findings from questionnaires completed by more than 10,000 undergraduate students from 119 colleges throughout the US.

The authors discovered that 4.3% of college students--and 8% of male students--said they brought guns to college. Half of gun-owners said they purchased a firearm for protection.

The authors discovered that gun-owners in college were most often white men who lived off campus with a significant other.

Gun-owning college students also tended to have more exposure to guns and gun violence than those who did not own firearms, the authors report in the recent issue of the Journal of American College Health. For example, students who owned guns for protection were more likely to be threatened with a gun at college.

Students who hailed from states in which many people own guns--such as states in the East South Atlantic region, where 38% of households have guns--were more than three times as likely as those from New England, where gun ownership is rare, to bring a gun to college. They were also more than twice as likely to have been threatened by a firearm at college.

"I suspect that many administrators are surprised that, on average, across the US 4% of students have guns," Miller told Reuters Health in an interview.

The researcher said that he hopes these results inspire administrators to investigate further what compels students to bring guns to college, and how this tendency might have an impact on violence committed on college campuses.

SOURCE: Journal of American College Health 2002.


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And, students who owned guns were MUCH more likely to question the idiotic points of view that their liberal socialist professors have. Pity.
1 posted on 10/28/2002 12:58:35 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
When I see/hear that teens in particular are engaged in violent behavior the first thing that comes to my mind is mood-altering meds.
2 posted on 10/28/2002 1:04:08 PM PST by hsmomx3
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To: Pharmboy
of course tha vast majority of college gun owners (the intelligent ones) leave their guns to home, or simply deny owning them, and are thusly not counted in this pseudo research.
3 posted on 10/28/2002 1:04:24 PM PST by camle
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To: Pharmboy
"I suspect that many administrators are surprised that, on average, across the US 4% of students have guns," Miller told Reuters Health in an interview.

I'd be surprised that the number is that low.
4 posted on 10/28/2002 1:06:18 PM PST by cryptical
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To: Pharmboy
I wonder if the study controlled for gang-bangers who "own" guns that they acquired illegally.
5 posted on 10/28/2002 1:06:39 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Pharmboy
Darn - I grew up in the NRA and have been around/owned guns all my life (50 years) and haven't done any crack cocaine or even shot at a person. I must be a slow learner...

Who in the HECK do they PAY to come up with some of these results????

6 posted on 10/28/2002 1:07:44 PM PST by trebb
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To: dd5339; cavtrooper21
yet another barf alert
7 posted on 10/28/2002 1:07:51 PM PST by Vic3O3
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To: *bang_list
Bang
8 posted on 10/28/2002 1:09:03 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Pharmboy
The authors discovered that gun-owners in college were most often white men who lived off campus with a significant other.

Interesting that this is the only place where race is mentioned in the article. Specifically there is no mention of racial correlations with the "activities" such as smoking crack, only with gun ownership in general. When reading such articles, the most important thing one ought notice is what is not said.

9 posted on 10/28/2002 1:10:49 PM PST by per loin
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To: Pharmboy
Alternatively, the researcher suggested that some gun-owners may become "emboldened" by their weapons, and may consequently act in ways they would not if they didn't own guns.

As this poor excuse for a study shows no causality whatsoever, this can best be described as one-man's opinion. This is a perfect example of the 'Post Hoc Ergo Procto Hoc' logical falicy.

10 posted on 10/28/2002 1:11:50 PM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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To: Pharmboy
Gun-owning college students also tended to have more exposure to guns and gun violence than those who did not own firearms, the authors report

In a related study, it was revealed that college students who repeatedly shop in "big & tall" clothing stores tend to have more exposure to bigness and tallness than those who do not, and tend to exhibit those traits. The research did not address the reasons behind this trend.

11 posted on 10/28/2002 1:13:48 PM PST by Sloth
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To: Pharmboy

12 posted on 10/28/2002 1:35:36 PM PST by Joe Brower
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To: Pharmboy
The authors discovered that gun-owners in college were most often white men who lived off campus with a significant other.

Well, this stupid survey just raised the race card, so I'll see them and raise them a buck. Why was there no racial breakout of the problem gun owners versus the ones without these problems? I think I know the answer to that one.

13 posted on 10/28/2002 1:38:47 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Pharmboy
The researcher said that he hopes these results inspire administrators to investigate further what compels students to bring guns to college, and how this tendency might have an impact on violence committed on college campuses.

Fat chance this "study" will do anything other than cause college administrators to place greater emphasis on how they will penalize students found to have guns.

The issue of real crime won't be mentioned (can we say assault on campus, boy and girls?) College security departments tend to hide information about "real" crime on campus (not good for student recruiting.)

14 posted on 10/28/2002 1:46:34 PM PST by toddst
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To: Pharmboy
Break this down by economic class, and then we'll see what the numbers look like. I'll bet that, black or white, the kids from the lower economic classes are on average more likely to own guns AND more likely to get into trouble, but within each economic stratum, guns and trouble are not strongly correlated.
15 posted on 10/28/2002 1:47:19 PM PST by Physicist
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Students were also more likely to own guns if they were attending college in a part of the country where gun ownership was more common in the general population.

Stunning.

16 posted on 10/28/2002 1:48:47 PM PST by dead
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To: Pharmboy
Dr. Matthew Miller of Harvard University in Boston

Well, there's the problem! This isn't a "study" its a propaganda tool. 4%. I'm willing to bet that there is NO statistical correlation of student gun ownership to ANY of the so-called behaviors listed by the 'good' professor. Considering that college students drink a lot, and want to have sex a lot, and maybe use drugs a lot, if you flatten out the results from the other 96% of students, you get - nothing. The worst part of this is that the so-called journalists just go along with anything that fits their preconceived bias'.

17 posted on 10/28/2002 1:49:42 PM PST by 45Auto
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To: Pharmboy
students who owned guns for protection were more likely to be threatened with a gun at college.

This is absolute nonsense. A better question might be, "Of those who brought a gun to campus, how many were victims of rape in the last year?"

18 posted on 10/28/2002 1:51:40 PM PST by 45Auto
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To: hsmomx3
like Ritilan, etc?
19 posted on 10/28/2002 1:56:00 PM PST by Khepera
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And what does this prove? Nothing.
20 posted on 10/28/2002 2:05:17 PM PST by King Nothing
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To: Sloth
In a related study, it was revealed that college students who repeatedly shop in "big & tall" clothing stores tend to have more exposure to bigness and tallness than those who do not, and tend to exhibit those traits.

Quit profiling me, you size-ist meanhearted pig! :^)

21 posted on 10/28/2002 2:06:14 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Physicist
And you don't have to be a rocket scientist (like you) to figure that out!
22 posted on 10/28/2002 2:09:41 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Joe Brower
Yellow University Alert. Publish BS or perish!
23 posted on 10/28/2002 2:12:56 PM PST by STD
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To: Pharmboy; dead
The authors discovered that gun-owners in college were most often white men who lived off campus with a significant other.

Just as stunning. Most colleges probably ban guns in on-campus housing, so OF COURSE most guns owners will live off campus. And since more men than women own guns, of course most will be male. And since whites are the dominant race, of course they will predominate. And since so many students cohabitate off-campus, of course that will be a factor as well.

This would be a much more revealing analysis if the idiot researchers ever bothered with the concept of a denominator - to factor in whether or not a certain segment was over- or under-represented against the baseline. The fact they didn't do that here speaks volumes as to their objectivity, or lack thereof.

Miller told Reuters Health that the study did not assess why gun-owners are more likely to show high-risk behaviors in college than those without guns, but he speculated that this tendency "may reflect a disposition to both own guns and engage in risky behavior."

Yep, they're working overtime to prove their pet equation that gun owners = nutbars, and society would be better off if us nutbars didn't have those horrible nasty guns that make me want to climb into my SUV, fatten up at the Mickey D's drive through, smoke my crack and then cut loose a clip at pedestrians, all in the name of a little fun.

What an absolute crock - they really did their best to twist the facts to come up with a correlation here, namely by ignoring countless other factors that might have provided light instead of just heat.

24 posted on 10/28/2002 2:14:01 PM PST by dirtboy
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So now gun ownership leads to binge drinking and higher rates of unprotected sex. Ooookayyy....
25 posted on 10/28/2002 2:17:08 PM PST by BlessingInDisguise
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To: Pharmboy
For example, students who owned guns for protection were more likely to be threatened with a gun at college.

Interesting conclusion. Anyone here want to take the negative side of the bet that it was obtained by correlating the postive answers to two questions such as?:
11)Do you have a gun for protection
17)Have you been threatened by a gun at college.

Would the study have drawn this conclusion?

"For example, students have been threatened with a gun at college were more likely to own guns for protection."

26 posted on 10/28/2002 2:18:32 PM PST by Oztrich Boy
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You know what constitutes the MOST risky behavior at Harvard? A lone, unarmed female student walking across campus after dark!

"Harvard University reported eleven sexual assaults in 1999. However, a recent survey by UHS indicates that the number of rapes in the undergraduate community may be far higher than reported."

"Approximately 481 female undergraduates replied to a recent UHS survey, of whom approximately four identified themselves as victims of "involuntary sexual penetration," and approximately nineteen more identified themselves as victims of "attempted involuntary sexual penetration."

"In The Crimson, representatives of the Coalition Against Sexual Violence estimated that if the UHS survey is representative of the undergraduate population, approximately fifty-two rapes took place last year."

27 posted on 10/28/2002 2:18:46 PM PST by 45Auto
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I just knew it.
EVIL GUNS not only kill innocents all on their own, but they now have been found to cause both alchoholism and unprotected or illicit sex.

GUNS are apparently the root of all evils, not the LOVE of money. Whoulda thunk it?

28 posted on 10/28/2002 2:19:53 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Pharmboy
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29 posted on 10/28/2002 2:21:33 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: BlessingInDisguise
Guns....

the "other" viagra?
30 posted on 10/28/2002 2:21:41 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Pharmboy
The only Matthew Miller I found in the online directory
at Harvard is a student in the Graduate School of Education for the 2001-2002 year. Perhaps he received his doctorate. What's a Doctor of Education publishing a study in a Journal of Health?
31 posted on 10/28/2002 2:21:55 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Mine's got a 10" barrel hehehheehuhuhuhu...never mind.
32 posted on 10/28/2002 2:22:44 PM PST by BlessingInDisguise
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To: Fiddlstix
Never saw that Official FreeRepublic Barf Bag(TM) before. What a beauty! Thanks for posting (we won't have to "borrow" those from the airlines anymore).
33 posted on 10/28/2002 2:26:15 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: BlessingInDisguise
I can see where this is headed.
another perverted porno-gun thread.
so be it.

"it's not the size of the barrel but the action on the trigger that is important here..."
34 posted on 10/28/2002 2:27:45 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2
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Students who hailed from states in which many people own guns--such as states in the East South Atlantic region, where 38% of households have guns--were more than three times as likely as those from New England, where gun ownership is rare, to bring a gun to college.

The only reason that Dr. Matthew Miller of Harvard University in Boston and his colleagues think that gun ownership is low in NE is because they think Boston and Martha's Vineyard comprise all of NE.

What with deer season either ongoing or about to open in all six states, I suggest the good professor get himself a nice suede jacket and take a nice little woodland stroll up around Moosehead Lake just to prove his point. Someone might find his remains after the spring thaw.

They were also more than twice as likely to have been threatened by a firearm at college.

So someone knows they have guns, so they get a gun and threaten the gunowners? It don't add up, brothers and sisters, it don't add up.

35 posted on 10/28/2002 2:29:33 PM PST by metesky
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To: 45Auto
"This is absolute nonsense. A better question might be, "Of those who brought a gun to campus, how many were victims of rape in the last year?"

I don't know, but any Al Qaeda or other nutballs that want to break up my nightclass with an AK are gonna have a nasty surprise in the form of the .357 in my front pocket and the Beretta 92FS in my backpack. The secret to success in college: carry lots of ammo.

36 posted on 10/28/2002 2:30:03 PM PST by BlessingInDisguise
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To: Pharmboy
Approximately 4% of US college students own guns, and those that do are more likely than others to engage in certain high-risk behaviors, such as binge drinking, new study findings show.

Dr. Matthew Miller of Harvard University in Boston and his colleagues found that gun-owning college students tend to drink higher amounts of alcohol at a time, and when doing so, are more likely than others to have unprotected sex and run-ins with police.

IF (big if) this were true then the guns would be off the street in short order. After all, doesn't Massachusetts have some pretty tough anti-gun laws?

37 posted on 10/28/2002 2:30:54 PM PST by hattend
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To: Pharmboy
You're welcome J
38 posted on 10/28/2002 2:37:38 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: hsmomx3
"When I see/hear that teens in particular are engaged in violent behavior the first thing that comes to my mind is mood-altering meds.

The first thing I think of babies in day care, latch key kids and/or kids who raised themselves. SOMEONE should do a study of the effects of kids who get dumped in questionable day care centers from age 6 weeks on up to age 5, and whether a high percentage of those kids grow up angry, depressed, hostile, anti-social and prone to substance abuse. And whether the highest percentage of kids on Ritalin has anything to do with "babies sent to day care"(not ALL---some)

39 posted on 10/28/2002 2:38:27 PM PST by aeronca
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well question the rural college locals vs the city slickers and do separate profiles for both
A ranch kid going to school in Laramie Wy who owns a gun is gonna be a totally different kind of kid then one going to school in Chi Town who grew up on the south side and also owns a gun..
40 posted on 10/28/2002 2:43:37 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: trebb
The kids are yanking these clymer's chains.
41 posted on 10/28/2002 2:45:01 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Pharmboy
Miller told Reuters Health that the study did not assess why gun-owners are more likely to show high-risk behaviors in college than those without guns, but he speculated that this tendency "may reflect a disposition to both own guns and engage in risky behavior."

I stand in awe - in AWE - of this man's intellect!

42 posted on 10/28/2002 2:45:43 PM PST by Grut
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To: Robert_Paulson2
10mm porn


43 posted on 10/28/2002 2:46:08 PM PST by BlessingInDisguise
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I wonder how many gun-owning students felt the questionairre was a silly invasion of their privacy, perhaps even a fishing expedition to find out who illegally held guns on campus, and either lied or threw it away?

44 posted on 10/28/2002 2:48:00 PM PST by ChuteTheMall GawdSortaMount
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To: Pharmboy
Here's the a partial abstract from the Journal of American College Health:

"Guns at college Matthew Miller; Journal of American College Health; Jul 1999; Vol. 48, Iss. 1; pg. 7, 6 pgs

Abstract:
A random sample of more than 15,000 undergraduate students from 130 4-year colleges answered a mailed questionnaire concerning firearm possession. Approximately 3.5[percent] of the sampled students reported they had a working firearm at college. Students with guns were more likely to be male, White, or Native American; to binge drink and need to start the day with alcohol; to be members of a ..."

Now, this article is from 1999 and it's news today? Or did this guy do the study over? Notice the article say 3.5% of students said they had a working firearm at College and they include Indians with whites. What happened to them in the article?

45 posted on 10/28/2002 2:59:40 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt
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So now gun ownership leads to binge drinking and higher rates of unprotected sex.

Huh? Not in my experience...

Of course this "study" is academic bilgewater of the lowest grade. Peer-review should have chopped it up into Julienne fries, but, as this is the squishy "sciences," they'll get away with it...

46 posted on 10/28/2002 3:09:06 PM PST by Chemist_Geek
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To: aeronca
EXCELLENT points but haven't recent surveys said that kids are well adjusted who are put in daycare at a young age? We know otherwise.........
47 posted on 10/28/2002 3:14:50 PM PST by hsmomx3
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To: Khepera
Absolutely!!
48 posted on 10/28/2002 3:15:19 PM PST by hsmomx3
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To: metesky
The only reason that Dr. Matthew Miller of Harvard University in Boston and his colleagues think that gun ownership is low in NE is because they think Boston and Martha's Vineyard comprise all of NE.

I was kind of wondering if the good Doctor had excluded Vermont, New Hamphire and Maine (to say the least) from New England.

By the way, it was reported today that 222 moose had been taken in the four day VT moose hunting season. Perhaps they were downed with evil SUV's since guns are so rare up here.

49 posted on 10/28/2002 3:19:22 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: BlessingInDisguise
"...So now gun ownership leads to binge drinking and higher rates of unprotected sex. Ooookayyy....

I can hear the bar chippies now...

"Is that a .44 Magnum with an 8" bull barrel in your pocket?

Or are you just glad to see me?"

50 posted on 10/28/2002 3:30:48 PM PST by DWSUWF
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