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Four Killed at U. of Arizona Nursing School
Fox News ^ | Monday, October 28, 2002

Posted on 10/28/2002 4:12:50 PM PST by BraveMan

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:35:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

TUCSON, Ariz. A flunking student opened fire in a classroom at the University of Arizona's School of Nursing on Monday, killing three people, including two female professors.

The attacker then turned the gun on himself and committed suicide.

The gunman was identified by university Vice Provost Elizabeth Irvin as Robert S. Flores, who had failed a pediatric nursing class and was struggling in a critical care class.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 10/28/2002 4:12:50 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: BraveMan
More victims of "gun free school zones."
2 posted on 10/28/2002 4:14:06 PM PST by mvpel
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To: BraveMan
Flores, a Gulf War veteran

The press just loves pushing the anti-military angle. They simply can't help themselves.

3 posted on 10/28/2002 4:14:38 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
That was my exact reaction to that reference to the Gulf War.
4 posted on 10/28/2002 4:20:10 PM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname; wideawake
Fox news: fair and balanced?
5 posted on 10/28/2002 4:36:16 PM PST by Boxsford
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To: BraveMan
A general question to all Freepers(based on Dan Rather's biased newscast tonight.) It appears to me that the national media (the Big Three) are consciuosly, consistently but implictly launching a campaign against guns and gun owners. OK, OK I've stated the obvious here.

Is anyone documenting the examples of this insidious ploy to do away with the Second Amendment? Dates, times and specific statements need to be documented to resist the gun grabbers when they begin to move a majority of the American sheep, aka public, to begin pushing for repeal of the Second Amendment. General statements and rationalizations are not the tools to attack the enemy here. You cannot fight illogic with generalities. You must be consistent and undisputedly factual.

Is there a national service that documents media statements in this area? If anyone knows of any such organizations, and I don't mean the NRA, please provide with the websites.

I don't mean to offend anyone with the comment about the NRA but they have lost a great deal of credibility in the east in recent years and other organizations are needed to speak for people who believe in self defense.

6 posted on 10/28/2002 4:43:17 PM PST by jackd
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To: BraveMan; Mercuria; AnnaZ
OMG here we go Hitlery, Dorkle and Da$$hole will all pounce on C-Span thinking everyone cares what they say as they scream to take away all our guns.
7 posted on 10/28/2002 4:56:25 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: BraveMan
Male nurse......hmmmmm?
9 posted on 10/28/2002 5:07:43 PM PST by Seeking the truth
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To: wideawake
There is a push to prove that Gulf war veterans have had health and depression problems- Nursing school is enough to crack even a tough nut- they will break your spirit- then wonder why they have a shortage- I work in critical care and they are always quizzing what you are doing so the students don't hurt the patients- if he had an ego problem- it most likely made him mad - he just snapped a gourd! Most unfortunate for all.
10 posted on 10/28/2002 5:16:49 PM PST by newzhawk
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To: BraveMan
He was just a very aggravated student, a rude, obnoxious type of person," she said. "He came across as very aggressive and mean, and seemed to have a lot of issues with being angry"

Not exactly nurse material, IMHO...I'd very much like to know whether drug use was involved.

12 posted on 10/28/2002 5:26:25 PM PST by lsee
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To: Gina Joe
You left out gulf vetran. A gay, male nurse, gulf veteran. Probably Islamic too.

It is rather disappointing, isn't it.

13 posted on 10/28/2002 5:27:08 PM PST by templar
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To: BraveMan
He wasn't gay, either.
14 posted on 10/28/2002 5:36:23 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: templar
"It is rather disappointing, isn't it. '

Oh, shtoppp it!

15 posted on 10/28/2002 5:39:28 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: BraveMan
"He was just a very aggravated student, a rude, obnoxious type of person," she said. "He came across as very aggressive and mean, and seemed to have a lot of issues with being angry."

Are they sure the guy's name is Flores, this sounds like there describing Testy Tommie Daschle.

16 posted on 10/28/2002 5:41:49 PM PST by DaBroasta
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To: mvpel
Too true, SEE "Another Mass Murder in a Place Where Guns Aren't Allowed"
@ http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2002_10_27_archive.html#83676460
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See here for a picture of the sign declaring that the University of Arizona does not allow guns on its premises. And here's an opinion piece in the University of Arizona student paper by a fetching young lady named Rachel Alexander arguing that this is a bad policy. Unfortunately, mass murderers don't pay attention to those signs. Only their victims do.


I'm not saying that for sure repealing this policy would have prevented this crime. But it certainly the case that the situation could not have been any worse. If a student or a professor with a concealed weapon permit had shot this guy in the first five seconds of this spree, at least one or two of the dead would still be alive. UNQUOTE.
THEN OPEN HIS LINK TO;

"The regents' anti-self-defense policy" By Rachel Alexander
Arizona Daily Wildcat March 24, 1998
http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/91/118/04_2_m.html
The sign and article he linked to is quite amusing too. I wonder if anyone will interview the nice policeman?






17 posted on 10/28/2002 6:13:41 PM PST by SWO
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To: SWO; mvpel; tomkat
I think it was tomkat who said, "An armed society is a polite society". I've always loved the simple truth in those words . . .
18 posted on 10/28/2002 6:35:54 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: templar
You tickle me..at least you're consistent :)
19 posted on 10/28/2002 6:36:11 PM PST by evad
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To: BraveMan
Rest in Peace....


20 posted on 10/28/2002 6:47:01 PM PST by SolitaryMan
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To: BraveMan; *bang_list
To the *bang_list
21 posted on 10/28/2002 7:04:44 PM PST by SWO
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To: Boxsford
Fox news: fair and balanced?

I didn't even realize that was a Fox News article until you pointed it out. That's a disappointment. I guess it's balanced from the standpoint that one writer might note that and another one might not.

22 posted on 10/28/2002 7:25:32 PM PST by cantfindagoodscreenname
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To: BraveMan
"He was just a very aggravated student, a rude, obnoxious type of person," she said. "He came across as very aggressive and mean, and seemed to have a lot of issues with being angry."

I posted on another thread about how political correctness has damaged our professional schools. Students who are clearly not suitable for a given profession are too often allowed to invest significant time and money toward a goal that they will never achieve. Ideally, students like this would never gain admission to professional school, or would be weeded out very early. Instead, they are allowed to languish while faculty members turn a blind eye, lest they be labeled "insensitive" or worse.

I'm not in any way excusing his behavior, you understand......just pointing out that this "you can be anything you want to be" crap needs to stop.

23 posted on 10/28/2002 7:40:25 PM PST by freedox
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To: evad
..at least you're consistent :)

Nah ... I'm just old.

24 posted on 10/28/2002 8:51:40 PM PST by templar
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To: newzhawk
"Nursing school is enough to crack even a tough nut- they will break your spirit- then wonder why they have a shortage..."

They've maintained a shortage for many years. More bargaining power that way.

25 posted on 10/28/2002 8:52:41 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: BraveMan
We desperately need to ban all guns and forcibly take them away from all American citizens who are not police or military. If only we had done this already...

Yes, if only we had done this already... this wacko could've killed his victims with a butcher knife instead.

26 posted on 10/28/2002 8:52:47 PM PST by john in missouri
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To: freedox
Do we have a picture of the perp?

Was this killer in the category of those who are admitted over their heads?
27 posted on 10/28/2002 8:53:07 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Beelzebubba
"Was this killer in the category of those who are admitted over their heads?"

Well........ummmmmmm.........I'd be willing to bet so.

28 posted on 10/28/2002 9:07:20 PM PST by freedox
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To: freedox
"...toward a goal that they will never achieve."

Wish it were so. You might be astonished at the number of dangerous incompetents nursing schools turn loose on the community.

29 posted on 10/28/2002 11:53:54 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: BraveMan
Male nurses.
Whatever happened to that other male nurse, Ted Maher?
30 posted on 10/28/2002 11:57:00 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: freedox
This guy, whether over his head or not , simply flipped. Unfortunately, there are plenty of Elitists Liberals who are in powerful positions in the collegiate faculties everywhere.

While these particular profs may well have been wonderful,Ive witnessed the ordeals that my wife has endured for the last 3 years, and there have been numerous classses/profs that I wouldnt shed a tear for if this were to befall them.

I dont suggest assassinating them, but they live in their own little fantasy world of agendas and indoctrination which could make someone that's wound overly tight bust a seam.

For a quick example, try busting your ass to pass a class, your GPA is borderline so you give all the extra time and effort to score 90-105 on all assignments and exams, only to wait 2 weeks to get the grades in the mail and see a 'B-' ??? May that guy rot in hell !!! as well as this murderer that killed these profs...

31 posted on 10/29/2002 12:20:56 AM PST by Gilbo_3
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To: Bonaparte
"They've maintained a shortage for many years. More bargaining power that way."

You've got to be kidding! Obviously you aren't in health care or are married to a nurse etc because if you had personal knowledge of this profession you wouldn't say that!

They couldn't pay me enough to stay....and they tried. Nurses don't make enough for all they have to do - and most would never stay for the money - it's a profession that requires much more of you than $$$ signs in your eyes!

The job is incredibly stressful, tremendous responsibility and SHORT STAFFED all the time!!!

You can make more money elsewhere, in business etc - and you don't have to worry that you'll make a mistake and actually harm or kill someone!

It's a very demanding job - you'd learn alot following a RN around for one shift, even 1 hour - and I bet you'd change your mind - honestly!

32 posted on 10/29/2002 2:09:03 AM PST by SunnyUsa
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To: BraveMan
The attacker then turned the gun on himself and committed suicide

Obviously, not someone for one of the caring professions.
33 posted on 10/29/2002 2:11:25 AM PST by aruanan
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To: BraveMan
Four Killed at U. of Arizona Nursing School

No, stupid (not you BraveMan), three were murdered and the murderer then committed suicide. There was a killer of three, who then thankfully whacked himself, so he couldn't be felt sorry for by the court system. What, Fox, four killed by a gun? Did the gun get up out of its lawn chair one day and decide to kill people? Stupids. Is anyone else getting as sick of this reporting as I am? Fox News can stuff it if they really reported this as advertised. They can take the high ground any time they want it, and this is their headline? IDIOTS. Fox News = IDIOTS. Wake up, Fox News, try separating yourself from the rest of the usual drivel. Stupids.

34 posted on 10/29/2002 2:44:27 AM PST by FlyVet
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To: freedox
Students who are clearly not suitable for a given profession are too often allowed to invest significant time and money toward a goal that they will never achieve

As an older RN I can remember an extensive interview peocess being done, the standard procedure, before gaining entrance to nursing school. This helped to eliminate those that had personality difficulties/authority issues. Not any more, they take any one to the detriment of us all. The PC way strikes again.

The Tarheel

35 posted on 10/29/2002 3:54:57 AM PST by Tarheel
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To: jackd
I don't mean to offend anyone with the comment about the NRA but they have lost a great deal of credibility in the east in recent years and other organizations are needed to speak for people who believe in self defense

So true..but for right now they are the only ones taking up the cudgel in defense of the second ammendment.

For whatever reason, they have lost some of their original purpose. A friend of mine with the DNR police dropped his membership because they no longer supported the local services they once did e.g. firearms training, and seemed more interested in preserving the right to WMDs.

Anyway, I'm still a member but I still agree that they gotten extreme in their views.

36 posted on 10/29/2002 4:00:50 AM PST by evad
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To: BraveMan
he told classmates about a year ago that he had gotten a concealed weapon permit

This is what worries me the most about this story. If true, prepare for a big media PR push against CCW permits. Never mind that this would be the first criminal shooting by a CCW holder, a pretty good record compared with the number of bent cops.

37 posted on 10/29/2002 7:30:36 AM PST by white trash redneck
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To: SunnyUsa
"...for one shift, even 1 hour..."

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, Sunny. The ones who burn out never should have been in it in the first place. We'll just have to agree to disagree, as they say.

38 posted on 10/29/2002 8:24:04 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: evad
Thank you. Then I'm not alone.
39 posted on 10/31/2002 5:30:05 PM PST by jackd
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