HAPPY RAMADAN!!!
Posted on 10/29/2002 7:47:17 AM PST by veronica
The headline in last Friday's (Oct. 25) Washington Times said, "Thank G-d, It's Over." Two suspects in the terror rampage that killed 10 people and wounded three may be in custody, but it's not over. It has only just begun. The Western diplomat murdered in Jordan on Monday is just the latest incident of targeted Americans.
While the Beltway sniper suspects may have acted independently of any known terrorist organization, it is not necessary to be commissioned by a foreign national in order to effectively carry out the wishes of America's enemies.
It is past time to stop worrying about political correctness and the names we might be called - such as intolerant bigoted Islamophobes - and start telling the truth. America's enemies are among us. They are here to kill us.
The two men arrested in Maryland are the first wave following the 9/11 airplane hijackings. Surely others will follow, because their religion and history commission them to kill all infidels. Anyone who is a Christian or a Jew, or insufficiently fundamentalist, is fair game. They intend to hunt us down like deer in their scope sights.
How do I know this? Read what they say about themselves and their objectives. In the midst of last week's murderous hostage taking by anti-Russian rebels angry over Moscow's prosecution of the war against Muslim Chechens, a Web site emerged that spelled out the beliefs of those who orchestrated the operation (see for the translation).
Featured are articles about Islam's position on how prisoners are to be treated. In " Guide to the Perplexed about the Permissibility of Killing Prisoners," which appeared in the column "Jihad News from the Land of the Caucasus," the writer offers interpretations of the Koran from Islamic religious scholars:"(1) a polytheist prisoner must be killed. No amnesty may be granted to him, nor can he be ransomed; (2) all infidel polytheists and the People of the Book (i.e. Jews and Christians) are to be killed. They may not be granted amnesty, nor can they be ransomed; (3/4) amnesty and ransom are possible only after killing of a large number of prisoners; (5) the Imam, or someone acting on his behalf, can choose between killing, amnesty, ransom or enslaving the prisoner."
Examples are given regarding the methods the Prophet Muhammad had chosen to kill, grant amnesty or ransom prisoners. He writes that the Prophet Muhammad chose to deal with prisoners in different ways to maximize the benefits to Muslims.
These are the theological precepts apparently practiced by at least some of the people who took hundreds hostage in Moscow last week. Moscow News quoted one of the Chechens as saying, "I swear by G-d that we are more keen on dying than you are on living." That kind of fanaticism is difficult to stop, but we must make the attempt and soon.
In America, some politically active Muslim groups again decry murderous acts done in the name of their religion. How many more of these acts will be tolerated before we wake up and realize our enemies are playing us for fools and that their sole allegiance is to a violent, vengeful deity who demands his followers to kill everyone who disagrees with their interpretation of him? I do not doubt there are peaceful Muslims, but they aren't the ones with the guns and the explosives. How does one tell the difference?
It does not improve the safety of Americans for our leaders to spout bromides about this supposedly "peaceful religion." How would we react if, instead of one or two snipers mowing down people at will in the Washington, D.C., area, a dozen or more simultaneously turned as many towns into killing fields? It wouldn't take much - just a car, a gun, a co-conspirator - and terror would sweep nationwide. The U.S. economy would surely tank, which is a stated goal of Al Qaeda.
A panel on domestic security, headed by former Sens. Warren Rudman and Gary Hart, concludes the country has become complacent about terrorism and is vulnerable to a catastrophic terrorist attack. The White House and Congress are chided in the report for failing to enact measures to defend the nation. Apparently some politicians care more about their political lives than they do about the rest of us who might die.
Never knew Mohammed enjoyed finding new and different ways of killing prisoners. If this is true-then Falwell was right-Mohammed was a terrorist. Point blank. Is it time we dropped this 'religion of peace ' nonsense, once and for all?
I am having some trouble with the word Muslim, now. Before-I did not-I assumed radical elements were to blame. None of us want to be blamed alongside the fringe, nutcase folks who happen to share core beliefs but go too far within our own groups. But.....is there ANYWAY, to know for sure, that the basic, fundamental creed of ALL MUSLIMS is that the infidel must die? If this is so....then Muslim is not a religion, it is a political system anti our rule of law. And must be monitored as such.
It is a rule:
What did we (in America) learn from September 11, 2001 and the deaths of 3,000 people. I am tempted to admit: Absolutely nothing.
Among the many unlearned lessons of Day-Which-Will-Live-In-Infamy-II-- the necessity to control our borders, the need for a patriotic renewal and the importance of combating multiculturalism -- the most significant is the nature of Islam. You will note that I do not say militant Islam, or radical Islam, or Islamic extremism or other such weasel words – but Islam, period.
Every one of the hijackers who flew airliners into the World Trade Center and Pentagon were professing and practicing Moslems, as is Osama bin Laden. The Al Qaeda terrorist network, is based in Moslem countries and supported financially by the so called pious Moslem leadership of Saudi Arabia.
The overwhelming majority of Moslem religious authorities who have spoken out on the subject, including those at the main mosque in Mecca and Egypt’s prestigious Al Azar University, either endorse or rationalize acts of terrorism. On a day when Americans were incinerated or buried under tons of rubble, Muslims from Nigeria to Indonesia, celebrated in the streets.
Sept. 11 was one chapter in a 1400-year jihad. Every day, the World Trade Center massacre is reenacted on a smaller scale somewhere in the world. Jewish women and children are burned alive in a bus in Israel. A missionary is beheaded in the Philippines, gunmen shoot up a church in Pakistan (deliberately firing into the prostrate bodies of women trying to shield their children). Ancient monasteries and convents are destroyed in Kosovo. Women are sentenced to death for adultery in Nigeria, Hindus are murdered in the Kashmir. In Denmark, the Muslim community there has put a $30,000 bounty on the heads of Jews and those who support Israel. Nuns are beheaded in Baghdad, Christians in Sudan are forced into slavery, and in Britain, Islam openly states it is going to take over not only the UK, but the whole world -- and the beat goes on.
Genocide in the Sudan, ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, religious persecution in Saudi Arabia, calls for another holocaust in mosques from Mecca to Gaza, the imposition of Islamic law in Nigeria, forced conversions in Indonesia, synagogues burned in France, Jews attacked across Europe – these are everyday events, as Third World and much of the First slowly turns Islamic green.
Sadly our leaders, from President Bush on down, insist on peddling the absurdity that Islam is a religion of peace – a creed of kindness and benevolence tragically and inexplicably corrupted by fanatics.
Why is the leadership of the West reluctant to confront manifest reality? The reason lies partly with our absurd foreign policy. We have declared certain Moslem nations to be our loyal allies – including Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan. We would not want to offend these dear friends by saying something unflattering about their bloody, butcherly, dark ages faith.
Americans are naturally benevolent. Most of us are taught from childhood that is religion is good (and it does not matter which religion). As long as little Johnny believes in God and goodness, it’s inconsequential whether he lights candles, wears a skull cap to services or prays in the direction of Mecca.
This works with every religion except Islam.
Consider the following: Of the three major western religions: one was started by a lawgiver who helped to free slaves; one by a man of peace; the last one by a man who loved war and having sex with children. Mohammed not only led men into battle, he enjoyed marrying girls as young as six years old (it is in the Koran). The essence of his message is sick and disgusting. A holy war where you slaughter your enemies, while at the same time encouraging followers to have sex with the children they capture (as he did) for the glory of Allah. He even advised his followers to negotiate false peace treaties in order to lull their enemies.
For almost 1,400 years, that has been the reality of Islam. Within a century after the death of Mohammed, Islam spread throughout the Middle East and across North Africa. It overran the Iberian peninsula and was finally stopped in southern France. It spread eastward as far as the southern Philippines. It was not propagated by fresh-faced young men knocking on doors and announcing: “Hello. I’m from your local mosque. Have you considered the Koran?” It was and is spread by force – conversion by the sword or death. This is still in practice today.
Some will respond that all religions go through periods of violence, usually in their infancy. Christianity had its crusades and Inquisition, its forced conversions and expulsions. The evil committed in the name of Christ happened centuries ago. The evil committed in the name of the Prophet is going on now, as you read these words. Of 22 conflicts in the Third World, 20 involve Moslems versus someone else. Coincidence? In his brilliant book, “Clash of Cultures and the Remaking of World Order,” Samuel Huntington speaks of Islam’s “bloody borders.”
There is no Methodist Jihad, no Jewish Hasidic holy warriors, no Buddhist monk wanting to have 72 virgins waiting for him after a suicide bombing, no Hindu Holy men plotting to blow up people, no Southern Baptist suicide bombers, no Mormon elders preaching the annihilation of members of other faiths.
Islam is a warrior religion – the perfect vessel for fanatics, the violence-prone, the envious and haters of all stripes. This is one reason why Islam is making so many converts among the peaceable denizens of our prison system.
Still, much of the West is addicted to a fairy-tale version of Islam. Christian and Jewish clergy fall all over themselves to have interfaith services with imams. Representatives of Moslem groups are invited to the White House. The president signs a Ramadan declaration. In California, public schools ask children to role-play at being Moslems. Our universities take carefully selected verses from the Koran and present them as the essence of the faith. All that’s needed is a Moslem character on “Sesame Street.” Look – it’s the Jihad Monster!
This perspective engenders a fatally false sense of security. Imagine, in 1940, Winston Churchill taking to the airwaves to announce “Nazism is an ideology of peace which, regrettably, has been perverted by a few fanatics like Hitler and Goebbels. But most storm troopers and SS men are fine follows – your friends and neighbors.”
For the first thousand years of its history – from the death of Mohammad to the 17th. century decline of the Ottoman empire, Islam was an expansionist force. For the next 300 years, as the West rose to preeminence, Islam receded. For the past four decades – fueled by Arab oil wealth, a surplus population in the Middle East, the waning of the West and the rise of more virulent strains of the faith (Shiism, Wahhabism, Sunni fundamentalism) – Islam is expanding once more.
Due to Moslem immigration and aggressive proselytizing, Islam is being exported to the West. Moslem populations are burgeoning throughout Western Europe. (In southern France, there are more mosques than churches.) In Judeo-Christian America, Islam is the fastest growing religion. It is also spreading down the coast of West Africa, through the Balkans (after Serbia, Macedonia is the next target) and up from Mindanao in the Philippines.
Wherever it comes, Islam brings its delightful customs – child marriages, female circumcisions, rabid hatred toward Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists and every other non-muslim, terrorism and support for terrorism and a virulent intolerance of other faiths.
Am I suggesting we declare war on over 1 billion million Moslems? The question is moot – Islam has declared war on the rest of the human race. When one side knows it’s at war and the other thinks peace and brotherhood prevail, guess who wins?
Ultimately, it is not about Jews in Israel, or Orthodox Serbs in Kosovo, or Hindus in Kashmir, Buddhists in Thailand, or Maronite Catholics in Lebanon, Taoists in China, or Christians in Sudan and Nigeria, but all of us. As Ben Franklin would have it – Either we will hang together, or surely we shall all hang separately.
Houston ..... we have a problem.
Free citizens would shoot them (in "free" states) just as the Founding Fathers envisioned. Hopefully, other states would get the message.
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
Gen George S. Patton
The key to defining minimum-acceptable conduct for Muslims is: if you strongly suspected a fellow Muslim was about to engage in a terrorist operation, would you pick up the phone and notify the FBI on him?
A second crucial question: if you were armed with a concealed handgun, would you use deadly force against a fellow Muslim in order to protect a non-Muslim?
When I was in college, I tried to read through portions of the Koran for a paper I had to write. IMO, the Koran follows no logical sense of organization or thought process. This web site appears to summarize the Koran into parts that make sense to follow, i.e., if you want to read about a certain "topic" written in the Koran, you can find a list of passages to go to in the Koran and read it yourselves.
I have not studied this site, but it appears to be helpful for those who want direction for finding things that are written in the Koran.
I suggest this because if we increase our knowledge and understanding of what THEY read and follow, we might be better able to arm ourselves against them and what the liberal press spouts. If we can refute the "muslim is a peaceful religion" mantra spewed by the press with examples from the Koran (not "taken out of context"), it seems to me they can't continue making these absurd claims.
Islam basically believes that all non-Muslims deserve to die, but that Muslims can choose to spare them for various reasons if they want to.
So, to a Muslim, a non-Muslim can always be killed if it's necessary or even if it's just convenient.
"Peaceful" Muslims are Muslims who believe that killing non-Muslims right now is inconvenient.
Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all unbelievers just as they would kill you all!....Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you!....The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon the foolish souls who make such a claim."
----------- Ayatollah Khomeini
A justified emotion, IMO. Forewarned is forearmed....is that the saying?
Perception is everything in Islam: Khomeini, bin Ladin and other mujadeen argue that Americans have made war on Islam and driven Muslims from their homes. (The reality that we have actually helped Muslims, in Bosnia, Afghanistan and Kuwait, is of no importance to the Muslim mind.) They denounce the infidel presence in the Islamic holy land (Saudi Arabia) and declare that America has sown corruption in Islamic lands -- therefore, they lay claim to Qur'anic carte blanche for terrorism.
So-called "moderate Muslims" try to cite one or two verses in the Qur'an such as "whoever killed a human being...shall be look upon as though he killed the whole world." But they can't deny that there are many more exhortations to violence in the Qur'an that must be obeyed, since the Qur'an is the direct word of God:
God does not forbid you to be kind and equitable to those who have neither made war on your religion nor driven you from your homes. But He forbids you to make friends with those who have fought against you on account of your religion and driven you from your homes or abetted others so to do. Those that make friends with them are wrongdoers. (Sura 60:9).
While it’s true than not every Muslim in the US is out to kill us, it’s also true that they find it hard to deny the reasoning of bin Ladin and company – after all, he’s repeating the words of Allah in the Qur’an, and to deny the truth of the Qur’an is punishable by death.
Let me play Devil's advocate here.
Define "these people"?
If you were listening to what he was saying to the nation. He mentioned the nation more than once.
"All Muslims should be given a choice - conversion or deportation to the Islamic paradise of their choice."
They can only try to kill me, you are trying to destroy the constitution.
End chain migration -- of Islamic families from wherever they originate and of any other nationality. Sent home, or forced to stay there, they might opt to do something constructive about the hell holes from whence they spawned. Once that nasty, infectious and traitorous hoard of Islam was excluded, we could begin sorting out the rest. If they are here as permanent legal residents, or have naturalized, but adhere to the Islamic idea of overthrowing our culture and government, then their status would be changed and they would be required to leave, too. They obviously don't take seriously the oath of allegiance to which they swore.
Luis, you are here by the graciousness and generosity of the American people, who could have sent you and your family back to that island paradise that has been turned into a hell by anti-human, anti-American values, beliefs and practices. I sincerely hope that when Castro finally kicks the cubo, people like you who have come to appreciate the American way of life will go back there and help the Cuban people rebuild their beautiful country on a firm foundation.
True, if in fact this crap is defined as a religion. If it is, then the KKK, Nazis, Devil worship etc all are protected by the Constitution. Therein lies the problem. There is no definition of religion.
I would like to start a religion, which prohibits any of my hard earned money being taken to be redistributed. Any guess as to the governments stand on my new religion?
How about a simple litmus test: If your belief is that it is proper to kill someone who does not believe in your religion, it is not a religion and does not enjoy the protection of the 1st amendment?
Islam's roots are the same roots as Judaism, and Christianity, all born of the God of the desert, and of Abraham.
Your Hitler reference only proves that monsters exists in any religion.
In light of what Hitler did, and considering the fact that Germany is a Christian nation, I guess there is ground to make the claim that Christianity isn't a religion.
Is Judaism not to a religion?
"True, if in fact this crap is defined as a religion."
It has been for over 1,400 years.
""...And nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say: 'We are Christians': because among these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world. And they are not arrogant." (The Holy Quran 5:82)"
"If it is, then the KKK, Nazis, Devil worship etc all are protected by the Constitution."
They all are.
"I would like to start a religion, which prohibits any of my hard earned money being taken to be redistributed. Any guess as to the governments stand on my new religion?"
Churches are tax-exempt.
"If your belief is that it is proper to kill someone who does not believe in your religion, it is not a religion and does not enjoy the protection of the 1st amendment?"
There is a vast ocean of difference between "believeing" and "doing".
The First Amendment was put in place by the Founders to deal with exactly that statement. There is no "wiggle" room in the First:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
"Congress shall make no law..."...it's that simple.
If your argument is that public opinion can give authorization to Congress to selectively suspend the Constitutional rights of any segment of the population, then you are advocating the suspension of the Constitution.
I can bet that if the American people ever elect a government with a strong majority of rabid anti-second amendment politicians, you will argue that your Second Amendment rights are not up for discussion, you'll say that "Congress shall make no law" means just that!
It's the same with the First.
I’m not here defending Islam, Islamic extremists are causing death all over the world, and we need to seek out, and destroy these murderers, and whoever protects them.
"For hundreds of years, the most backward societies of the world have used this "religion" as moral cover to further their own agendas, such as the conquering of new territory and the robbing/killing of other ethnic groups."
The most advanced ones are still doing it.
The native inhabitants of this hemisphere didn’t fare well during the discovery, and colonization of the New World. Slavery was an active institution less than 170 years ago. The Spanish Inquisition burned over 360,000 people alive for being "non-believers".
"If History shows us any significant positive development as a result of the spread of Islam, I'm not aware of it."
Look here.
"What if, over my bowl of Rice-Crispies this morning, I had a "divine vision". Before I went to work, I founded and document a religion that encourages the takeover of government at any cost, as well as the murder, robbery, torture and subjugation of non-believers. I fully intend to do these things, however, I realize that these ideas will not be popular with non-believers. To solve this problem, I tell any that will listen that mine is a "religion of peace". I demand First Amendment protections to practice my new religion. Will I get them? No - I'd get a lot of attention from the local police, and allowed to practice those portions of my religion that did not harm others."
Next thing you have to do, is to be around for 1,400 years, find 1.2 billion people willing to think of you as God, and you’ve got yourself a religion.
All joking asides, yes you would be protected by the First Amendment until you, as you yourself pointed out, harmed others.
American Muslims can’t be judged and sentenced to the loss of their constitutional rights based on the actions of fundamentalist radicals. If that was your argument, then you would by extension, support a suspension of the Second Amendment rights of all American citizens in the name of ending gun-related deaths. But you don’t, do you?
Can you even imagine a president, or any member of government for that matter, at any level, publicly stating that they no longer considered the right of Americans to bear arms as a Constitutionally protected right, and that the Second should be repealed?
By granting the government the ability to suspend part of the Bill of Rights for a segment of the people, we will open a door that we may never be able to close again.
10:38 Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir, and fought against it:
10:39 and he took it, and the king of it, and all the cities of it; and they struck them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls who were therein; he left none remaining: as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king of it; as he had done also to Libnah, and to the king of it.
10:40 So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as Yahweh, the God of Israel, commanded.
10:41 Joshua struck them from Kadesh-barnea even to Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even to Gibeon.
10:42 All these kings and their land did Joshua take at one time, because Yahweh, the God of Israel, fought for Israel.
10:43 Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to the camp to Gilgal.
T'aint anything like that at all.
I agree with Cal... but what the heck is a 'scope sight'???
The predecessor to Sungirl's laser scope (?)
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