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Teaching islam in my local school
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Posted on 10/29/2002 8:10:26 AM PST by Hitlerys uterus

I hope this doesn't violate a rule of some sort but it bears directly on several threads I've seen recently.

I have never been one to avoid speaking plainly with my kids about anything including politics, religion ect. Recently, my 11 year old son said he would be learning about islam in his geography class so I have been prepping him with some pertinant questions and info to "share" with his class. I also told him should his teachers in any way attempt to force him to violate his religious beliefs he should contact me emmediately.

Not ten minutes ago he called and said the class is engaged in an exercise where they are to pretend they are muslims and explore how they would react to being made to eat pork and/or other violations of the muslim faith. He sought my guidence in whether he should seek to excuse himself from this class or not.

My first reaction was to tell him ask to be excused, but on second thought I changed my mind and my aproach to this problem. I explained to him that he should return to class and say he has consulted with his imam who has now issued a fatwa against the NEA decreeing them to be infidel polluters of the faith and subject to jihadi action by all faithful followers of islam.

He's a sharp kid and he asked how far he can go with it. I told him that as his imam I am authorizing the blowing up of children, woman, non-combatants, old people, and TEACHERS in particular. This is a matter of self defense I said so killing them in nasty ways is morally justyfied by the teaching of the quran. I am awaiting his return from school or a call from his teacher.

I would love to hear from other FReepers what you all think about my little bit of activism. Again, my apologies if this is in the wrong forum or a breach of rules.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: islam; jihad; nea; schools
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1 posted on 10/29/2002 8:10:27 AM PST by Hitlerys uterus
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Hope your kid doesn't get arrested.
2 posted on 10/29/2002 8:11:41 AM PST by 3AngelaD
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To: Hitlerys uterus
I told him that as his imam

Wouldn't that be his I-Mom?

3 posted on 10/29/2002 8:12:58 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Hitlerys uterus
WOW!
That should stir things up a bit. Keep us posted, please.
4 posted on 10/29/2002 8:13:11 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Can you spell E X P E L L E D?


hahaha...Hope he makes the point, but I wouldn't bet on it.
5 posted on 10/29/2002 8:14:18 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
The name throws lots of people off. I'm his dad.
6 posted on 10/29/2002 8:14:20 AM PST by Hitlerys uterus
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Maybe your kid should ask the teacher what the f#ck pretending to be a Muslim has to do with geography.

And have him ask it in that manner, too.

7 posted on 10/29/2002 8:14:32 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Hitlerys uterus
What school is this ... are you in Byron ????
8 posted on 10/29/2002 8:14:51 AM PST by clamper1797
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To: Hitlerys uterus
LOL!!!!

I'd love to hear how this comes out.

9 posted on 10/29/2002 8:14:53 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Keep us informed.
10 posted on 10/29/2002 8:17:17 AM PST by harpseal
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Index bump. I want the after-action report, too.
11 posted on 10/29/2002 8:18:17 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I-Mom by Macintosh
12 posted on 10/29/2002 8:18:26 AM PST by FroedrickVonFreepenstein
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To: Phantom Lord
Self bump for future retrieval to see what happens.
13 posted on 10/29/2002 8:18:50 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Good luck - honestly doesn't play well to the PC crowd. It is nice to see people with the courage to speak the truth. You should be proud of your boy.
14 posted on 10/29/2002 8:20:46 AM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: clamper1797
I'm in Pasco county Flori-DUH. I have streesed repeatedly that he should be polite to teachers. Even when they are wrong. I expect they will tell him that his view isn't held by the "REAL" muslims but by a few whackjobs. He has been shown how and where to access the quran online at a major university to prove his points by quoting the quran directly.

When I know more about how his class went, I will definately post it here.
15 posted on 10/29/2002 8:21:25 AM PST by Hitlerys uterus
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To: Hitlerys uterus
BUMP!
16 posted on 10/29/2002 8:21:25 AM PST by Diana Rose
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Curiosity BUMP.
17 posted on 10/29/2002 8:21:35 AM PST by spodefly
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Bump. What the hell kind of geography curriculum is this "teacher" trying to push? Where is this school district?
18 posted on 10/29/2002 8:21:39 AM PST by Omedalus
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PING me too! That was just too cool of an answer. Your kid sounds like a good one!

~Stu
19 posted on 10/29/2002 8:21:41 AM PST by WSGilcrest
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To: Hitlerys uterus
I think this is cool as heck.

Your kid will probably be in some trouble. But such is the price of standing up for what you believe in, here in PC-Land.

My son once was required to try to bring an Indian artifact to school. I gave him a poker chip from the local casino.

Let us know how this turns out.



20 posted on 10/29/2002 8:22:38 AM PST by dinasour
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Actually it sounds like you are going to get the school locked down and swarming with federal, state, and local police, ATFs, DEAs, and social workers.
21 posted on 10/29/2002 8:22:52 AM PST by arthurus
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To: Hitlerys uterus
My daughter will be doing a short unit on Islam soon...I plan to teach the truth rather than the PC creepin crud.

Frank questions and truths need to be brought up to ensure *all* of Islam is exposed in your son's class. Kudos to you for the boldness you've instilled in him at such a tender age. :o)

22 posted on 10/29/2002 8:23:13 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Be careful, the fudge-packers who run the local public school here will throw a kid out for simply pointing a carrot at another child in a threatening manner.

How about finding passages from the Koran which call for killing of infidels and have your kid ask if he can "read portions of the Koran so we can gain understanding" in class. That ought to open some eyes among his peers.

23 posted on 10/29/2002 8:23:34 AM PST by montag813
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To: dinasour
**My son once was required to try to bring an Indian artifact to school. I gave him a poker chip from the local casino. **

Bwahahahahaha!!!

24 posted on 10/29/2002 8:23:43 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Hitlerys uterus
My town Byron had the same problem. I led the protest against it and we got it stopped. I was on the David Gold and Jay Seculo (sp?) radio shows to discuss this last year.
25 posted on 10/29/2002 8:24:36 AM PST by clamper1797
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To: TxBec
ping
26 posted on 10/29/2002 8:24:45 AM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Hitlerys uterus
You rock so hard.

Would you mind if we inquired the phone number or other contact info of this school, this teacher, and the principal? A slurry of angry phone calls and a public outcry that this teacher be fired might do wonders.
28 posted on 10/29/2002 8:25:45 AM PST by Omedalus
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To: Hitlerys uterus
You're playing this out perfectly. A little humor, a minimum of fuss and the ball is thrown right back in the teacher's court by your son's response.

Let see what she does in return. If the teacher is obsessed, then it'll be time for a consultation with the principle and the school board. She's getting into a form of sensitivity training here, aka brainwashing and group guilt aka communist tactics.

Leni

29 posted on 10/29/2002 8:25:47 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Please, please, please let me know how this turns out!
30 posted on 10/29/2002 8:26:02 AM PST by mhking
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To: Hitlerys uterus
My son's private NYC school has one day devoted to the study of Islam every year, in a tradition long pre-dating the current obsessions.

The kids go to a local mosque and visit the Metropolitan Museum to see the truly splendid artistic output of Islam's early centuries.

I used the museum trip to teach my son about tesselation, craftsmanship, and the ingenuity of artisans working without modern technology.

I present it as a secular/cultural topic. I also point out to him the historical fact that Islam has accomplished nothing in recent centuries, and that it is critical to know that civilizations wax and wane, and to stay focused on the future.

31 posted on 10/29/2002 8:26:33 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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Actually, I think that you should contact a junkyard lawyer who lives for this kind of fight and DEMAND that the publick skewl cease and desist the indoctrination of the children into the Muslim faith.

Perhaps the Rutherford Institute would be a good place to start.
32 posted on 10/29/2002 8:29:54 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Let us know how it turns out.
33 posted on 10/29/2002 8:30:38 AM PST by Jason Kauppinen
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To: Hitlerys uterus
IMO this is not a geography lesson...it is a lesson in cognitive dissonance- re-education camp techniques -
The children will make the leap to moral equivilency between islam and their respective religions..feeling empathy after walking a few minutes in muslim slippers.
Moderate islam is the trojan horse of the ™ Real Deal
34 posted on 10/29/2002 8:30:41 AM PST by joesnuffy
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Personally, I'd be calling the school and telling them I'm filing a lawsuit today.

These liberal leftist scumballs are the first to cry 'Separation of Church & State' whenever a Christian activity is involved, so turn it around on them! Separation of Church & State means ALL churches, even the left's favorite killing cult, Islam.

35 posted on 10/29/2002 8:31:39 AM PST by usconservative
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Bumpity-bumpola. if you meet with the teacher, make sure you bring a pocket audio cassette recorder....and record everything.
36 posted on 10/29/2002 8:31:54 AM PST by Victor
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Hitlerys uterus; expatpat; governsleastgovernsbest; Alberta's Child; ...
"Role playing is an excellent tool to highlight the hidden influences... or... the hidden commandments of the family...." [1] Robert Hawley, Value Exploration Through Role Playing, 1975.

Theater and role-playing are powerful tools for social change. The explicit purpose for bringing these processes into schools was exposed by Fannie and George Shaftel in their 1967 manual for change: Role-Playing for Social Values:

"Once values are out in the open, they can be looked at, considered compared with alternative values. Only then can one criticize, evaluate, deny or confirm and reconstruct one's value system. Children can be helped to... develop an explicit set of values. In group discussions, in role-playing enactments... they can explore their values and learn the process of criticizing and reconstructing them... under skilled guidance.

Teen violence, family breakdown, rejection of truth and mockery of parents are just a few of the devastating consequences of today's psycho-social manipulation.

The UN plan for your mental health
37 posted on 10/29/2002 8:32:05 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Hitlerys uterus
I wonder if the other children will complain, "Oh! Imam always liked you better!"
38 posted on 10/29/2002 8:33:19 AM PST by Crusader Rabbit
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To: NativeNewYorker
The dis-passionate studying of Islamic art and architecture is a bit different than simulating an actual religous ceremony as a partaker..imo
39 posted on 10/29/2002 8:33:29 AM PST by joesnuffy
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To: Hitlerys uterus
I'm in Pasco county Flori-DUH.

I live in the city of Pasco,Washington State.

My grandson is also now in the unit on Islam.

You have more cajonas than I have, but then again I am a women. ;-)

Flag me with the outcome.

40 posted on 10/29/2002 8:33:52 AM PST by Spunky
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To: Hitlerys uterus
bumping to check the results later....
41 posted on 10/29/2002 8:34:14 AM PST by Grig
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Sorry, didn't realize you were his Dad.

In that case, you become his "if Ayatollah once, Ayatollah a million times!"
42 posted on 10/29/2002 8:34:32 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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RE:to see the truly splendid artistic output of Islam's early centuries.

I hope the teachers are balanced and clear about Islam's destruction of artistic output throughout the world and history.
43 posted on 10/29/2002 8:35:18 AM PST by PaxMacian
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To: Hitlerys uterus
I think you did the right thing, if they so much as touch a hair on your kid's hair, expel, punish or anything, I'd sue. Enough is enough. Where is this school located? Contact your local news channel and TELL them what's going on. MAKE these so called educators explain why this is important to Johnny's education and why THIS doesn't violate separation of Church and State.
44 posted on 10/29/2002 8:35:37 AM PST by Hildy
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To: montag813
I'm printing out the pertinant passages from the islamic "book of peace" right now. He'll have them it in class tommorrow.

For all who think my son's ballsyness is my doing, thanks but he was born that way. I have 4 kids of which he is my second. He wasn't home a week and my wife and I both commented that he was different, headstrong, set in his ways. That's no exaggeration, either! He refused to talk till he was allmost two. NOT that he couldn't, he just wouldn't. We even asked a doc about it. At about two he decided that talking was a more effective means of communication and like that he kicked in with a vocabulary fit for a 4 year old. At 5 his teachers sent him to the school shrink because they thought he didn't smile enough. He told him he didn't think the teachers were all that funny!

He's a good boy with his head screwed on straight, for sure.
45 posted on 10/29/2002 8:35:47 AM PST by Hitlerys uterus
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BTTT! I want to know how this plays out.
46 posted on 10/29/2002 8:35:49 AM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Dutch-Comfort
"Now, some like yourself consider that to be a glass half empth"

As someone else who considers the glass "half empth"; maybe we can take into consideration that many parents don't think our tax dollars should go towards touchy-feely lessons not based on reality regarding the "religion of peace"

47 posted on 10/29/2002 8:36:30 AM PST by Sam's Army
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To: joesnuffy
Oh yes. That was my point.
48 posted on 10/29/2002 8:38:23 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Bookmarking for the outcome.
49 posted on 10/29/2002 8:38:50 AM PST by Betty Jane
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Hoo-boy! I predict a better than even chance we will be reading about this in the paper before it is all over. That is a bizarre geography lesson. I'm especially interested in the context of the lesson. Who, specifically, is "forcing" the pretend muslims to eat pork and commit other violations of the muslim faith? (In other words, if it's some subtle brainwashing about how we are mistreating prisoners at Gitmo, I'm gonna puke.) Please ping me with updates, and thanks for an interesting thread!
50 posted on 10/29/2002 8:39:08 AM PST by Dixie Mom
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