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McVeigh Defense Investigator Questions Senator's Probe
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 10/30/02 | Jeff Johnson

Posted on 10/30/2002 3:01:42 AM PST by kattracks

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To: honway; TXnMA; Fred Mertz
seems roger charles was about as much an investigator as falmy malik was a medical examiner.
51 posted on 11/01/2002 1:41:56 PM PST by thinden
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To: thinden
Roger Charles is a USNA graduate, while Admiral Boorda was commissioned through OCS.
52 posted on 11/01/2002 1:59:42 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Alamo-Girl; Gary Aldrich; amom; archy; aristeides; anymouse; AtticusX; backhoe; baseballmom; ...
Big

Thank you! BTTT

for a great Must-Read comment by Nancie Drew!
53 posted on 11/01/2002 2:00:45 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: thinden
seems roger charles was about as much an investigator as falmy malik was a medical examiner.

You don't want to get me going on Fahmy Malik and the Saline County mess!

I'm working (from time-to-time) on a lengthy story of how I changed from non-political to deeply involved in the OKC Bombing investigation. Suffice it to say that all it began when I visited Benton, Arkansas, and my host said, "Right over yonder are some train tracks...".

God bless Linda Ives and Jean Duffey!!!

54 posted on 11/01/2002 2:10:28 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: honway; TXnMA; Nancie Drew
Regarding Alex McCauley, I could not enter the website found on a search on him:

The Man Who Didn't Exist - Oklahoma City Bombing and The Politics ...
... David Hall of KPOC-TV uncovered information that McVeigh had met with local ATF agent Alex McCauley in a McDonalds the night before the bombing. ...
www.mindprism.com/__ocbpt/chpt2b.html
- 101k - Cached - Similar pages

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If you believe you should be able to view this directory or page, please try to contact the Web site by using any e-mail address or phone number that may be listed on the www.mindprism.com home page.

55 posted on 11/01/2002 4:27:09 PM PST by PhilDragoo
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To: Nancie Drew; honway; TXnMA
Check this out:

Topic: OKC Bombing
We need your help

OKBIC
08/14/98 Cate McCauley OKBIC Executive Director

We Need Your Help

Many of our loyal readers have written or called to ask how they can help us. Here's the perfect way to assist the OK Bombing Investigation.

As you may know, the OKBIC is preparing to take this case to Congress. Members of our committee were in Washington DC this past May lobbying members of Congress for public hearings. There are two areas of concern we plan to pursue: 1) federal building safety and; 2) the Judiciary Committee, which oversees the U.S. Justice Dept.

We have a Petition for Congress that needs as many signatures as possible, from every corner of our country (But we also welcome our foreign readers to join in). We need to demonstrate that the American people do care about what happened here in Oklahoma City. So many lingering unanswered questions is simply unacceptable.

Please print out a copy of our Petition and send it to your friends and family. If we receive even one page of signatures each from the thousands of readers who check into this site each month, it will help us tremendously.

Once you have the Petitions signed, mail them back to us and we will include them in our Congressional Report.

Need some inspiration? Sometimes others say it best. Please read our editorials on ``Why We Should Care?" ``Ambrose Evans-Pritchard's Farewell & Warning to America" and ``It's All Too Familiar."

And finally, I wish to extend my gratitude to everyone for your kind words of support. You really do help us by letting us know you care. There are many victims' families here who are also touched by your concern. We all appreciate anything you can do to support our efforts.

Sincerely,
Cate McCauley
OKBIC Executive Director

The above appears in the Free Republic archive at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a529277.htm

"Help us give this coverup an appearance of broad support."

56 posted on 11/01/2002 4:39:32 PM PST by PhilDragoo
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To: citizenK; Alamo-Girl; Gary Aldrich; amom; archy; aristeides; anymouse; AtticusX; backhoe; ...
Anyone know if this Cate McCauley is credible?

Is anyone more familiar with this Cate McCauley's involvement in the case? Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time to track some of this stuff down, but my cursory search makes me wonder about her credibility. Who is more credible here, McCauley or Davis?


I promised to share my personal experience with Cate McCauley while she was OKBIC's Executive Director. Here's my take (as viewed fom a couple of thousand miles away in Massachusetts):


Cate McCauley is still a mystery to me (and to Charles Key, as well). When Cate was OKBIC Executive director, she and I hit it off quite well. In fact.I'd say we developed a cordial and enjoyable working relationship (via e-mail and phone). Cate has [had?] a devastating, sarcastic sense of humor, and we shared many an e-mail laugh. (Especially about the antics of the "Fumbling Bums of Infamy".) I felt we had developed a warm friendship to complement our excellent working relationship. (After she had dinner with my wife and me on one of her trips home to Providence, she gave us both big hugs...)

But, then she developed a mail correspondence with Timothy McVeigh, and began "using her womanly wiles" (her term) on him. (She laughingly referred to him as "just another horny 20-year-old kid".) Then, shortly after she began corresponding with Mc Veigh, she began refering to him as, "Timmy". Soon it was, "Timmy this..." and "Timmy says..." -- and, then she suddenly stopped answering my e-mails.

That was along about the time of the OKC tornado, so, after I got no response to several e-mails showing increasing levels of concern for her welfare, I finally called her on the phone. She was anything but her usual, bubbly self, and she let me know she was OK -- and that she didn't need anyone to be concerned for her well-being, thank you. (I thought that, perhaps, she had misinterpreted my grandfatherly concern -- so I backed off on communication, as well...)

A few weeks later, Charles flew me to OKC to measure the track width on the Caterpillar the workers parked in the crater, (for use as a photogrammetry scale), to meet the Committee members, and to see the MFB site. Cate was hardly civil -- and she barely condescended to shake my hand. Then I noticed she was treating everyone else -- even Charles -- the same way.

One experience of that trip still astounds me: Charles and I were in the temporary Bombing Museum, going over the full set of drawings of the Murrah Building, when Cate walked in the door. She stopped and glared at us, as if to say, "What are you two men doing here in my private data repository?" And I swear i thought she was going to turn right around and leave -- which she soon did. Most odd behavior from one who was supposedly a committed member of our team...

Shortly thereafter, she resigned.

Cate completely "flipped"! Her personality changed, her allegiances reversed, and she bailed out.

She abandoned OKBIC just as pressure was building for us to get the Final Report published -- leaving OKBIC demoralized and with nothing but a mass of (somewhat organized) information from which to construct a report. IMHO, it was only Charles Key's personal integrity and hunger for the truth that kept the whole project from collapsing... (I was fortunate: I had held all my information and the drafts of my analytical chapter "close to my chest" -- and distributed over several electronic storage media locations.)

OKBIC still has much of McCauley's work product (writing) from when she was the primary author of the Report. Believe me, her words then are diametrically opposed to her words now (in the above article). [See Phil Dragoo's #56 for an excellent "before" example...]

Next thing I heard of Cate, she was working for McVeigh's defense team, and denouncing us as a bunch of conspiracy wackos. I understand that she was even one of the (six?) people McVeigh asked to be personal witnesses of his execution -- but I don't know whether she attended or not... (NOTE: based on FR inputs, I now understand that she did attend as McVeigh's invited witness.)

Very, very strange -- not only a complete reversal of beliefs and allegiance, but an obvious radical shift in personality. Quite a shame, really, because she was a bright, witty, charming, conservative professional -- before McVeigh. To be truthful, I liked Cate back then. IMHO, she would have made a delightful FReeper...

Charles assures me that I had nothing to do with her crackup -- that she just turned against everyone and everything she had previously embraced with great warmth and enthusiasm. Sad, indeed...

I'm still mystified -- and can't help but wonder if Cate developed a romantic attachment to "Timmy" McVeigh.

(It wasn't until folks here on FR started questioning her overall intentions and integrity that I began to seriously consider that there might possibly be another explanation for her behavior...)

So...

Who is more credible here, McCauley or Davis?


One word: "Davis".


TXnMA (No Longer!!!)

57 posted on 11/01/2002 7:21:43 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: TXnMA
Thanks for your insight!
58 posted on 11/01/2002 7:47:32 PM PST by Nancie Drew
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To: TXnMA
Thanks for your perspective. The unique information you are able to provide to this enigma of Davis vs. McCauley is an example of what makes this forum so valuable to those trying to find the truth about the OKC bombing.

In the few meetings McVeigh had with one of his first attorneys, Susan Otto, McVeigh passed information to her sufficient for her to tell Jones that once he knew what she knew, he would "never think of the United States of America in the same way."

It is possible that McVeigh shared some of the same information with McCauley. McCauley described McVeigh as a brave man, was that romantic infatuation, plain stupidity,admiration for the manner in which he met his death, or did McVeigh and the government permit McCauley a glance similiar to one provided Susan Otto?

59 posted on 11/01/2002 7:48:12 PM PST by honway
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To: honway
, was that romantic infatuation, plain stupidity, admiration for the manner in which he met his death, or did McVeigh and the government permit McCauley a glance similiar to one provided Susan Otto?

As I said, my assumption has always been that it was the first: romantic infatuation.

After all my years of investigation, I assumed that Susan Otto was referring to Clinton/Reno's de facto conversion of the FBI from the FB of Investigation into the FB of Prosecution and/or the FB of Prevarication. Or worse, as in the cases of Waco and Ruby Ridge, into the FB of Execution.

60 posted on 11/01/2002 8:25:24 PM PST by TXnMA
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To: TXnMA
Thanks for the information and heads up!
61 posted on 11/01/2002 8:29:17 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: honway; TXnMA
Thanks for your perspective.   I'd like to second that!

FWIW... I have an article written by Stephen Jones for Litigation magazine which alludes to something amiss on the team… McCauley's "flipping"? Since I have to type it up, any type-o's are mine:
There were members of the defense team with whom Tim had grown inappropriately close, close enough that Judge Matsch raised questions with me about whether some of them should be released from the team. I told him that they should stay, although privately I felt they should go, but their friendship and the relationships were important to Tim.

So we labored on, through months of tension, crises of morale, government stonewalling, demonizing media coverage, and professional frustration. In hindsight, I was too trusting of some members of the team, two of whom would personally betray me. (One released confidential defense documents reflecting Tim's purported conversations with investigators and his lawyers to the Dallas Morning News, which published them to great fanfare a month before trial, after jury notices had been mailed.)

Please pardon or ignore this post if it is not directly applicable to the McCauley discussion. I figured if it was pertinent, it might be insightful. Also, I could not find this article on the web and that's why I don't have a link for you. Thanks again to the FReepers that keep the OKC ping list up 'n running and very informative!

62 posted on 11/01/2002 8:51:38 PM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: thinden
amazing what a little money can buy these days.

Are you sure it was money? I can think of at least 4 post-bombing murders in this case. Fear can be a very strong motivator.

63 posted on 11/02/2002 1:38:12 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Lion's Cub
I can think of at least 4 post-bombing murders in this case. Fear can be a very strong motivator.

More like two dozen, either certain murders or very convenient *accidents.*

OKCSubmariner had a pretty good compilation going at one time, including the OKC Assistant US Attorney who supposedly shotgunned himself to death. And, of course, OKC PD officer Terrance Yeakey, El Reno prison Guard Joe Gladden, and Dr. Don Chumley, who was killed in a private plane crash before giving a deposition regarding his claim that he was ordered by two uninjured BATF agents to bandage them at the scene of the explosion.

-archy-/-

64 posted on 11/02/2002 12:09:24 PM PST by archy
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To: TXnMA
As I said, my assumption has always been that it was the first: romantic infatuation.
Strange! Am I wrong in assuming that there is a wide gap between McVeigh's and McCauley's ages? Why would a "professional" investigator become infatuated with a young man headed for death row?
65 posted on 11/02/2002 12:09:25 PM PST by Marianne
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To: Marianne
You have FReepMail...
66 posted on 11/02/2002 1:36:47 PM PST by TXnMA
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