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Posted on 10/31/2002 5:56:28 PM PST by Texas Eagle

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To: Alouette
My 14 yo son handles all the incoming "Out-of-area" calls, he usually answers "ola" "no habla english" Or something to that effect (he's a relatively new spanish student). Many times he messes up and says "No habla espanol". It bewilders the telemarketers though and they hang up, usually saying "oh sorry".
81 posted on 11/04/2002 7:37:49 AM PST by PLOM...NOT!
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To: MotleyGirl70
thats fun - when I am in that mood, and they say, 'you've won ...", etc - I say - "That's great", and hang up, as I assume they have my address, since they have my phone number. However, they never seem to send me my prize.
82 posted on 11/04/2002 9:06:29 AM PST by XBob
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To: XBob
Hehehe!
83 posted on 11/04/2002 9:08:53 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: Texas Eagle
1 - "I would normally discount this as some sort of prank but the caller asked for my wife by her first name and her name is not listed in our local phone book so obviously these people have at least some info on us and may possibly have our home address as well."

If you go to your local library, go to reference section and ask the reference librarian for the 'criss-cross' directory, and you will find all kinds of stuff listed for your address.
84 posted on 11/04/2002 9:14:41 AM PST by XBob
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To: FreedomPoster
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Interesting technological suggestion from this month's Wired magazine.
"Find a non-working number. Call it and record that nasty 4-note tone that you get from the telco. Truncate it down to just the first note. Record that at the beginning of the outbound message on your voicemail/voice recorder.

Supposedly, the ACD phone switches that sophisticated telemarkers use will recognize that tone and drop the call immediately, and likely result in your number being removed from that telemarketer's database."

Very funny you would mention this - I was thinking about that... the VERY loud tone the phone company occasionally blasts out your eardrums with... I wonder if there couldn't be some kind of device where you pressed a button and blasted this tone through the telemarketer's ear... or would you be setting yourself up for lawsuits, assault charges, etc. if you dared do anything to fight back against these scum.

It annoys me that the Government has 51,293,102 laws on the books... but people can call and harass you on the telephone with unsolicited ads, and there doesn't seem to be squat you can do about it.
85 posted on 11/04/2002 9:20:06 AM PST by Pravious
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To: shempy
��5{�������� business! I even get on the phones once in a while myself. The company I work for is respectable and an asset to the communioty. It is a company that rewards effort and ability. "

To me, telemarketers are somewhere between Child Molesters and ambulance chasing scumbag lawyers... and I hope there's a special circle of hell for them where the phones never stop ringing.
86 posted on 11/04/2002 9:30:02 AM PST by Pravious
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To: bcoffey
Short of cancelling the credit card, there's not much you can do. I found that out the hard way in a similar situation a few months ago.

There's a lot you can do. Bounce back the charge on your credit card. Call your credit card company and tell them the charge is invalid and to remove it from your bill. They are required by FEDERAL LAW to remove the charge if you dispute it. They may give you a hard time, or try and talk you out of it (mine did the last time I bounced back a charge), but they are required to take it off. Just be firm and they'll remove it.

The merchant can't re-charge. They have to bill you directly or go to court to collet the money.

One of the up sides of this is that when a merchant has a lot of charge backs, they risk having their merchant accounts cancelled. It also costs them money each time there is a charge back against them.

87 posted on 11/04/2002 9:36:09 AM PST by Brookhaven
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To: shempy
We have never been successfully sued or fined.

Like the typical mafia boss that brags he's never been convicted.

You have a real up hill battle trying to defend telemarketing. While a small percentage of people (say 5%) may appreciate telemarketing or SPAM e-mail, for the other 95% of people, telemarketing calls and SPAM e-mail is something the can do without.

The reason I lumped telemarketing calls and SPAM e-mail together is to help you understand how most people feel about telemarketing calls. How do you feel about having your e-mail inbox clogged up with SPAM e-mail? That's how most people feel about telemarketing calls, and now you know how they feel about what you do.

P.S.

It took a lot of guts to admit here you were a telemarketer. I'm sure you're catching h***. But there's a reason for that.

88 posted on 11/04/2002 9:48:09 AM PST by Brookhaven
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To: Mark17
I have an unlisted number, and still get calls from these nerds, so it doesn't always work.

It's exactly like e-mail. As soon as you voluntarily give your e-mail address to a business, you're doomed. As soon as you voluntarily give your home phone number to a corporation, your unlisted phone number status becomes worthless.

One way to really punish telemarketers is to go get a whistle, bullhorn, or some other very loud device. When they ask to speak to the person they're looking for, tell them "one moment please", and give it to them right in the eardrums.

89 posted on 11/04/2002 9:55:55 AM PST by jpl
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To: shempy
One thing I want to know, why don't telemarkers (or junk mailers) EVER send me stuff I'm interested in. I never get calls for snowboards, motorcycles, guns, etc. It's always crap I don't need or would never buy.

And why do so many play games? Why not just tell me who they are and what they're selling, instead of the "it's not a sales call, it's a courtesy call" nonsense.
90 posted on 11/04/2002 9:56:10 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: jpl
One way to really punish telemarketers is to go get a whistle, bullhorn, or some other very loud device.

I just hang up on them.

91 posted on 11/04/2002 10:05:31 AM PST by Mark17
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To: oust the louse
she sat there quietly on the other end and I said ,it was a pleasure talking,good luck with your new position,and we hung up

You shoulda asked her what color underwear she had on. That one always gets them.

92 posted on 11/04/2002 10:16:46 AM PST by bankwalker
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To: shempy
www.advanced-data.com

I may be interested in talking to you about inbound order taking for me 24/7. I couldn't access your website.

93 posted on 11/04/2002 10:33:34 AM PST by bankwalker
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To: FreedomPoster

Why Telemarketing Is Evil

Telemarketers may be relentless, exasperating, even unethical. But you have to give them this: They’re good. With the help of technology — everything from autodialing software to cheap overseas labor connected by fiber optics — they’ve turned phone solicitation into a $270 billion industry.

The key to the telephonic onslaught is predictive dialing, a breakthrough of the mid-’90s. These systems churn through huge databases of phone numbers, weeding out busy signals and out-of-service numbers, and routing answered calls to agents. They are mercilessly efficient: Out of an 8-hour day, agents can work the phones a staggering 7.2 hours. One loan company calling deadbeat borrowers boosted “promises to pay” by 129 percent.

The systems use a “pacing” algorithm to keep a steady flow of calls going, but there can still be a gap of three or more seconds between your “hello” and the telemarketer’s reply. That hiccup is critical — it’s when many people hang up, and it’s led California and Oklahoma to enact “dead line” laws that make it illegal to use predictive dialers that drop too many calls. More states are drafting similar laws, and soon dropped calls may be banned altogether.

Telemarketers want to cut down on hang-ups, too — they represent lost opportunities. That has driven them toward the latest advance in predictive dialing: IP-based systems. By converting from traditional circuit switches to digital packet switching, a center can increase its hits by as much as 35 percent. Agents don’t wait as long for connections, calls don’t get dropped, and the center halves its long-distance charges.

Eventually, machines may do all the talking. Avaya Inc. says its predictive dialing system is about 80 percent accurate in detecting a greeting message, bypassing the operator, and leaving a prerecorded sales pitch on the answering machines. Only one thing: Now some states are outlawing that, too.

How to Fight Back

Junk mail can be tossed and spam can be filtered, but telemarketing has always had a technological edge. At least until the TeleZapper. The device — AS SEEN ON TV! — promises to erase you from telemarketers’ lists and stop the unsolicited solicitations. And it works, at least until the industry devises a workaround. But why spend $50 for uninterrupted evenings? The fledgling Telemarketing Resistance has banded together online to help you do it for free. Just follow the steps below. — N.M.

1. Get the Audio
The TeleZapper fools telemarketers’ autodialing equipment by emitting the ascending three-note special-information tone you hear before, “We’re sorry, the number you have reached has been disconnected.” You can download this tone from the Web. Do a Google search for “sit.wav” to find one of these audiofiles.

2. Chop It Down
Open sit.wav in an audio-editing program like Microsoft Sound Recorder. Edit out the second and third notes. (You don’t actually need those, and they’re sure to annoy family and friends.) Save the WAV file.

3. Press Record
Play that one note on your computer and record it as the first sound on your answering machine’s outgoing message. Follow with an oh-so-witty greeting.

4. Enjoy the Silence
Now sit back and screen those calls. Over time, telemarketers will get the “zapping” tone and take you off their lists.

- Neil McManus

94 posted on 11/04/2002 10:52:25 AM PST by flim-flam
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To: Texas Eagle
In addition to reporting this to the cops, *and* telephone company ASAP; look into these services while you're at it:
1) "Caller ID"
~with
2) "Call Manager"

Caller ID speaks for itself; however, MANY telemarketers buy old switches deliberately so the equipment cannot send the caller's name & number to your Call ID terminal.
So, all you see is, "Unidentified" or something like that, which, could be someone calling you from a shopping mall who needs to get in touch with you.

But, "Call Manager" will *answer* the "Inidentified" *or* "Blocked" calls & make that caller FIRST identify themselves, then, contact you to ask IF you want to *accept* the call. (~it's a totally automated service.)

If these are available, get 'em; about $8 extra p/mo.
Almost guarentees stopping telemarketing calls -- all telemarketing calls -- cold.

...doesn't get any sweeter than that.

95 posted on 11/04/2002 11:07:48 AM PST by Landru
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