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Posted on 11/02/2002 9:11:20 AM PST by madfly

It began Wednesday morning, when I found myself totally obsessed with the Free State Project. This is the proposal to move a large number of right-thinking people to one state, and influence the politics of an entire state. Sure, I had heard about it before, but it lead to me spending most of the day trying to figure out why my mind had made such a mental shift and focus so suddenly. Then it dawned on me: Haitian Refugees.

Let me explain.

Before this comes back at me for some reason, I'd better first state that I do not speak for the Free State Project, I am giving my own opinion of the matter - and this whole mess. You'll see why I said that as you read this.

Back to the Boat People.

Last time I checked, we were at war. Part of that war means protection of our borders, among the most glaring issues this political season that few, if any, politicians on either side want to touch. For a review: People cross the border as if this nation doesn't really have one. Among them were a few Jihad freaks, they take a few flying lessons, steal a few planes, and conduct what historians may call one of the most successful military strikes in world history. Hence, on Sept. 12, 2001, issues such as immigration and border security became important, nonpartisan (priority) issues. Pretty good reason to rally around the ol' flag, huh?

Then I remembered Florida - from hanging chads to a paramilitary siege of Miami for one poor kid whose mother died just to get him away from Cuba. One would assume that while one man is working to protect the nation's borders, his brother would follow his lead, or at least remind him over dinner, "hey, we gotta lot of border to protect here, too". And no, I'm not picking on the Bush family.

And so, with all things these days being part of the "new normal" I, the common schlep, would assume 220 folks would not be able to simply dock their boat right off Hwy. 1 on Hobie Beach, then storm said beach asking for a ride to - who knows - the voter registration office?

The images are still vivid in my mind. 220 ILLEGAL TRESPASSERS (not 'migrants', not 'immigrants') jumping out of a stuffed boat, swimming to shore, and STOPPING traffic on a major artery in Southern Florida. If this alone doesn't bother you, imagine these 220 folks having AK-47's shooting on their way in. The way our wonderful new attitude toward 'homeland security' is down there, we could safely assume they'd have taken Ft. Lauderdale by now.

But here's what's worse: I decided to check to see if anyone just might be a little outraged about what happened. And yes, they were:

About 200 protesters, most of them Haitian Americans, gathered outside the Liberty City Learning Center where Jeb Bush had a previously scheduled campaign appearance on Wednesday. The group, divided into partisan camps, clashed over what should be done with the new refugees (read: illegal trespassers).

U.S. Rep Carrie Meek, D-Miami, called on the governor (Jeb) to lobby his brother (W) to issue an executive order to allow the new Haitians, as well as other migrants (read: illegal trespassers) who have been held at Krome for many months, to be released.

On the other side:

Bush partisans among the protesters blamed Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and the island's political and economic turmoil for driving more than 200 Haitians to take an 8-day voyage aboard a rickety boat.

Meanwhile, a Haitian government official blamed an aid freeze by foreign donor countries (read: U.S. welfare payments) for causing the poverty in his country that led more than 200 migrants to travel in an overcrowded freighter to the United States.

Miami Herald - 10.30.02

Okay, call me crazy, but the last time I checked, we had troops in Haiti to deal with whatever the problem is there, including installing our own little 'puppet' (Aristide) to run this place. Here's a few more recent ILLEGAL ENCROACHMENTS:

. In May 1998, about 150 Haitians hidden aboard a wooden freighter jumped ship at a Miami River pier in broad daylight, diving into the water, hopping into waiting cars or taking off on foot. About 75 Haitians, including women and children, were detained.

. On New Year's Day 2000, a wooden boat treacherously overloaded with 406 Haitian, Dominican and Chinese trespassers were intercepted about eight miles off Key Biscayne.

. On Dec. 3, 2001, in a rare move, the U.S. Coast Guard brought to shore 185 Haitian trespassers, including 14 children. They were found just south of Elliott Key in a dangerously overcrowded 31-foot sailboat that also was in danger of capsizing.


But of course, this is our fault that these folks are coming here, right?

Answer: Correct - it is our fault, and here's why:

(Just my humble opinion) When a county KNOWS people meaning to do harm are attempting to cross a sovereign border illegally, the correct approach to take is:

1. Have the Coast Guard notify the captain of the boat that they are approaching sovereign waters, and they must halt to be
boarded or turn their vessel around immediately - outside the boundary (in this case - 12 miles from the coastline)

2. If the vessel continues to approach, have one missile (fired by either ship or air) detonate about 50 yards in front of said vessel
with the words "last warning" to follow.

3. If vessel persists, aim for the midsection of said vessel with similar missile, document results.

4. Send copies of documented results to local media and shipping docks in country where vessel is registered.

Sound harsh? Illegal attempts to dock on U.S. soil would stop in short order. But alas, none of this happened - for a nation at war.

So I woke up Wednesday morning, expecting to see the President announcing which Coast Guard officials were FIRED for allowing a boat to dock that close to a major metropolitan area. But no, let's hold them, feed them, protest about them, then interview them to see if they're being politically persecuted (in a country that we run), to see if they are worthy of staying - and maybe get flying lessons (after all, this is Florida) - or maybe just vanishing...

Stupid Question: If they ARE subject to political persecution in a country that we run, would it not be safe to assume that they just 'may' be upset with US?

Let me get to the point. We don't HAVE any homeland security, and our national security as a whole - sucks. While every other country seeks to protect their history, we seemed to be hell bent on forgetting who we are. We refuse to deal with a clear and present danger in favor of racially profiling white people when looking for a jihad sniper. We willfully send our manufacturing overseas, while doing everything in our power to kill our natural resource industry. We send federal agents into libraries to interrogate librarians about certain books - and the people who read them. We are losing the support and cooperation of more friendly nations each day, and, while those from every third world country try to encroach upon unprotected borders, good people are doing everything they can just to get away from all this madness.

And frankly, I'd like to join them.

Since a good portion of "we Americans" learned a hard lesson from the attempt to formally leave the union about 137 years ago, the best thing right-minded Americans can hope to do is work to form their own community elsewhere - somewhere. With all the flag waving, too few people see the obvious: This nation is sick, if not dying altogether. And I don't see any amount of patriotism, or voting democrat or republican solving this problem. I wish I could think more positively about it, but I can't. I see the fall of Modern Rome happening faster than the destruction of Social Security - about the only thing politicians seems interested in protecting. This nation - this place - has become a corporation whose only purpose is to keeping the ruling parties in power.

Sorry - just calling it as I see it.

Honestly, it has become increasing difficult to write about anything going on in this country anymore. What sense is there in talking about what's wrong when it will probably only get worse. Just when it seems things couldn't get worse, they devolve to a new epitome in less than a week. Even saying, "To heck with it, I'm leaving", can't stop the Internal Revenue Service from stealing nearly everything, even if you die.


Maybe I'm just depressed. Maybe I'm tired of the complete futility of holding up this broken down system known as the United States of America. I know this: I want to go far away - check that - I want to go HOME. I want to be free. I want to live each day not having to look over my shoulder, wondering what Washington is going to throw at me next. It would be nice - it would be so nice, to have my personal liberty protected by another entity. Perhaps a state; where medical records remain private, where I can keep what I earn, defend myself against a threat - a STATE where I can live FREE.

Am I asking for too much?

Please do not accuse me of being an America hater, or unpatriotic. There are great things, and great people here. But most of these same great people all know what I know. Watching the media each day is merely more evidence that there we have some screws loose somewhere. And it is beyond time for the Real Americans of this nation to regroup (or in this case - group) ourselves together in a last ditch effort to rebuild a more perfect union.

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I'm going to give it some time. I fully intend to fight like hell in my area to implement change.

Indeed. I put a lot of effort in the last presidential campaign here in Tennessee in hopes that a defeat of Al Gore in his home state [and home county] would have an effect on the later voting in California. I should have known they'd find a means to avoid releasing the embarassing info until that wasn't much of a factor.

What I hadn't counted on was the Florida voting challenge, with a critical number of electoral votes in the balance. Had Gore taken Tennessee, he'd have had enough electoral votes that the brouhaha in Florida wouldn't have mattered, so we did the right thing, if for the wrong reason. And Gore carried neither his home state, his home county, nor his home voting precinct.

So don't give up on your efforts at home, nor your hope for improvement in the South. Indeed, one of the reasons I've held off from climbing on the FSP project bandwagon for as long as I have has been the fact that their target states with the best potential for success are mostly in the West and Northeast, with none in the South.

So the FSP is not the only egg in my basket either, but it's certainly a good egg to have in there. Neither do I particularly consider myself a Libertarian, but I reckon they'll do to have as neighbors.


81 posted on 11/04/2002 7:55:12 AM PST by archy
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To: u-89
...from their site the early polls show New Hampshire in the lead unofficially at this time.

Though New Hampshire is landlocked, and the freestaters would prefer to have their seaport access, just in case a little federal extortion to bring them back in line is tried. Neither does current New Hampshire law appear to support ballot initiatives, one tool which the new resident voters hope to avail themselves of to reinstitute governmentr as a servent of the electorate. New Hampshire's 1,235,000 population might also require more sizable numbers than the 20,000 initial prospectives required for the project to achieve success in some other states with a smaller population and lower number of registered voters. But we'll see.


82 posted on 11/04/2002 8:14:20 AM PST by archy
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Neither do I particularly consider myself a Libertarian, but I reckon they'll do to have as neighbors.

I agree. The "large "L" libertarians are hard to get along with and their platform is goofy. The small "l" leaning types are kool. Either one however beats a liberal or a government loving RINO by a long shot.

83 posted on 11/04/2002 8:59:36 AM PST by AAABEST
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84 posted on 11/04/2002 10:44:40 AM PST by mafree
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To: archy
I believe New Hampshire has a small piece of coast snuck in there between Maine and Mass. It seems from what I've heard that Alaska would be out just because too many folks interested in the project just wouldn't make that move. That would leave Deleware as the only place on the list with a coast line.

Your point about the size of the indigenous popluation is a valid consideration however one positive aspect is that New Hampshire's population is not, for the most part, of the same statist, liberal mind set as Vermont's or Mass.'s, yet.

85 posted on 11/04/2002 4:59:16 PM PST by u-89
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My wife would go with me, and so would several others.

Maybe you should move to Utah.....

86 posted on 11/04/2002 5:04:27 PM PST by u-89
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To: u-89 positive aspect is that New Hampshire's population is not, for the most part, of the same statist, liberal mind set as Vermont's or Mass.'s, yet.

Looks like it.

87 posted on 11/04/2002 6:02:51 PM PST by archy
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I'm going to have kids soon

Very cool ...

Without a doubt, having children and rearing them yourself is probably the single most terrifying act of rebellion one can wage against the Machine.

I'll keep you and your future family in my prayers.

88 posted on 11/06/2002 10:58:19 AM PST by Askel5
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