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Left-Wing Hates America, Says Author
CNSNEWS.com ^ | Michael L. Betsch

Posted on 11/07/2002 4:21:29 AM PST by kattracks

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To: dyed_in_the_wool
They don't limit choice. You can buy Apple, Linux, Palm, whatever. Crikey, you can get a Linux desktop with Star Office FOR FREE these days, and if that isn't competition I don't know what is.

Microsoft will always have competitors. It is funny how their competitive efforts get described as "anti competitive". Sun, Oracle, and the rest of them are still in business. IBM is still a massive competitor to MS in the several arenas.

It's like criticising Wal-Mart for shutting down mom-and-pop shops. Wal-Mart does a better job because of their scale.

There ARE companies that successfully compete with MS. They are Adobe, Intuit, Macromedia, the list goes on and on. Significantly, they don't spend nearly as much money as Sun and Oracle on litigation, instead they focus on making great products.

There are plenty of areas to compete with MS. The fight for mobile device software is still wide open. It is up to other companies to successfully compete in this arena.
51 posted on 11/07/2002 6:29:28 PM PST by thisiskubrick
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To: Poohbah
bump
52 posted on 11/07/2002 6:35:02 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: Kevin Curry
It ceased competing years ago. Now it merely annihilates, engulfs, and devours.

If there were true competition in the operating system world, Microsoft would have collapsed a fortnight after it released Windows ME. It annihiliates/engulf/devours just like any other large American corporation, and it still has to vigorously compete against other large corporations doing the same thing.

All large American companies "annihilate/engulf/devour" smaller companies. I think Cisco has devoured half the networking hardware industry.

Microsoft can't annihilate Java or Linux, they must COMPETE with it. They can't engulf/devour IBM, Sun, or Oracle - they will compete with them.

ME was just a stopgap until Win2K and WinXP came out, it was always intended as the last release in the Win9X line. ME was just a footstep in a larger strategy. MS has largely ditched the Win9X/Me codebase.

And, don't forget Linux DID steadily gain ground during that time.

Now, do you actually have any arguments that will hold water?

53 posted on 11/07/2002 6:41:34 PM PST by thisiskubrick
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To: thisiskubrick
They don't limit choice.

MicroSoft continuously takes business standards and changes them. MicroSoft works AGAINST interoperability.
Look at what they did to Kodak. The took an existing Kodak standard for digital imaging and changed it and included it in Windows XP. What's Kodak's recourse? They developed the software with no help from MS on low-level APIs or System Calls and then MS re-engineers their product and kills their investment. You can call that competitive all you want, but there's no competition.
They're doing it with Adobe, trying to replace the PDF format.
Apple had no choice but to accept Office and IE on their system. Otherwise, they'd be a trivia question.
Sun's beef was MS re-engineered Java into J++ and changed it such that it was a.) not compatible b.) against the license agreement and c.) less secure. Who would want their hard work to be ripped off and changed so that it's reputation was killed?
What if someone was doing this to you in your line of work? What if I was the one laughing at you because I thought MS was 'God's gift to America and you were a liberal loser?'
I have a feeling you're more stockholder than someone who understands technology or economics. MS bottling up your personal information in Passport and keeping it 'secure' (good luck). Or the fact that 'free' doesn't mean anything if it's not interoperable.
The one thing that makes me happy is realizing that MS is painting themselves in a corner. While suckers like you are happy that MS can go through their hard drive and report to Hollywood whatever MP3s you have (I'm sure you've already loaded the service pack that authorizes this), some of us choose otherwise. I like my privacy. I like only ME knowing what's on MY drive (it's all legal, thank you.)
But that's okay, since MS is your god. They can check whatever they want. Keep their tabs on you. Smart. Real smart.
54 posted on 11/07/2002 6:48:39 PM PST by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: conservativemusician
As I helped him off the ground, I told him his broken nose was his fault and I would be glad to explain it to him further. He said no further explanation would be necessary and left. Needless to say, I have a new meter reader and never heard from him again.While I regret having struck the man, it amazed me how pervasive this sort of thinking was and is, in NY of all places.

You've got 'nads. Hope you've got a good attorney if you plan to continue "educating" punks like your last meter reader....

55 posted on 11/07/2002 7:02:53 PM PST by freebilly
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To: kattracks
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56 posted on 11/07/2002 9:10:23 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Add George H.W. Bush reneguing on his "No new Taxes" pledge and I think we have it covered.

Remeber at that time H.W. Bush was trying to get support for the Gulf war. He needed the Rats ...basically the Rats said they'd support the war in return for putting taxes back on the table of budget negotiations. He did, and they sandbagged him. Every one of the weasels ran on the platform of "Bush broke his No-New-Taxes" pledge during that year, and Bush was basically left to twist in the wind, paving the way for the Sink-Meister in '92. I think GW has learned the lesson and he's not falling for it.

Ok ...that was a little off topic, but I can't stand seeing the "Bush broke his No New Taxes" pledge without setting the record straight. Eight years of seing the White House turned into a septic tank still has me a little steamed.

57 posted on 11/07/2002 9:29:20 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
MicroSoft continuously takes business standards and changes them. MicroSoft works AGAINST interoperability. Look at what they did to Kodak. The took an existing Kodak standard for digital imaging...

Interoperability and standards are the bread and butter of competition in technology. Every company tries to become "the standard". This is how they compete! There is nothing wrong with changing "business standards". Every other company does the same thing. The name of the game is "embrace and extend" - embrace your competitor's standard and extend it, then become that "standard".

If Kodak wants to succeed with their standard, they need to continually improve it, add the features that Microsoft added, and so on.

I don't know what you mean by "re-engineering" their product, unless you mean reverse engineering. In any case it's the same thing that AMD and many other companies do.

As far as J++ goes.. Sun has foolishly tried to maintain total control over the Java language (their license agreement is truly odious), and has complained loudly about MS porting their GUI controls to Java. But all that's moot because J++ has failed in the marketplace. Sun has WON the Java fight.

The Java story shows that Sun CAN compete with Microsoft, however this victory may be short lived as they foolishly waste this gain.

With .NET and the CLR, Microsoft is making their framework language independent - so you can run C#, C++, Python, whatever, and have easy portability from the desktop to mobile devices, and enjoy most of the same benefits of "Java"-like features (garbage collection, hardware independence, etc.)

If Sun wants to win they need to generalise the Java VM to handle other languages, ease up their licensing arrangements to encourage adoption by other large companies (including MS).. and so on.

Microsoft wins the standards battles because they don't give away the store (as IBM did in the old days), but their licensing arrangements aren't as paranoid as Apple or Sun's. They strike the right balance for maximum competitve advantage, and everyone else complains that they stole their lunch.

Of COURSE they are trying to replace the PDF format. They will fail, unless they come up with something that is better, again this is competition. The PDF format is entrenched and Adobe is winning that battle. Adobe is also a master of standards competition. They are continually improving the standard, and they make the spec publically available on their website, if you care to read it. You can even legally implement your own PDF viewer and editor.

...MS bottling up your personal information in Passport and keeping it 'secure' (good luck). Or the fact that 'free' doesn't mean anything if it's not interoperable. The one thing that makes me happy is realizing that MS is painting themselves in a corner. While suckers like you are happy that MS can go through their hard drive and report to Hollywood whatever MP3s you have (I'm sure you've already loaded the service pack that authorizes this), some of us choose otherwise. I like my privacy. I like only ME knowing what's on MY drive (it's all legal, thank you.)

So here we get to the paranoia bits that MS-haters love to engage in. Well, MS couldn't give a rip (no pun intended) as to what MP3's you listen to. It is the RIAA and the record industry that is strong-arming them into placing copying restrictions into Windows Media Player. As the saying goes, piracy is "the killer app". However in the long term, there will have to be a solution to digital rights management.

As for passport, if MS isn't your cup of tea, trust another large corporation like Yahoo or, in the future, possibly your bank. There are a LOT of large corporations that are entrusted with keeping your information safe, and I don't see why I should trust any of them any more (or less) than Microsoft. I will say one thing though - I definitely don't get as much email spam from MS.

What if someone was doing this to you in your line of work? What if I was the one laughing at you because I thought MS was 'God's gift to America and you were a liberal loser?' .. I have a feeling you're more stockholder than someone who understands technology or economics.

If you are in the tech industry, and/or have worked for a company that has failed to compete with MS, then yes, that would suck. On the other hand, that is also something called competition.

I wouldn't laugh at anybody that has lost this game, but I will say that you can win in technology by understanding the standards game and how it's played. Most companies that try to compete with MS bite off more than they can chew.

Most companies don't have a frickin' clue when it comes to standards competition and they get left in the dust by the likes of MS or Adobe - and then they complain to the goverment that their loss was unfair.

(Disclaimer - For the record, I do not work at MS.) I am Kubrick - the greatest film director of all time. Thank you for reading.

58 posted on 11/07/2002 10:58:15 PM PST by thisiskubrick
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To: goldilucky
I agree with you, my FRiend...America is certainly far from perfect and I hope we never stop trying to make it better, but there ain't never been a greater society in the History of Mankind, IMHO!!

Leftist RATS are LOATHE to admit this...MUD

59 posted on 11/08/2002 5:42:54 AM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: kattracks
Bump for a great article.
60 posted on 11/08/2002 6:28:46 AM PST by laredo44
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To: thisiskubrick
If Kodak wants to succeed with their standard, they need to continually improve it, add the features that Microsoft added, and so on.

Actually, MS killed the standard, offered a sub-par, broken version and it comes equipped with every PC they sell. Kodak would LOVE to give away their software, however, how are they going to get it to the desktop? 10 meg downloads for everyone? Print up a million or two CDs?
And most users don't even know they're getting broken product.

With .NET and the CLR, Microsoft is making their framework language independent - so you can run C#, C++, Python, whatever, and have easy portability from the desktop to mobile devices, and enjoy most of the same benefits of "Java"-like features (garbage collection, hardware independence, etc.)

Right. That's what the brochure says. However neither Perl nor Python will ever get implemented. Why? Well perhaps this paper by Mark Hammond will explain it better than I can.
And as for portability? To what are you going to port? Palm? WinCE?
And I don't know where you're getting this stuff about 'garbage collecting', etc. If I want that stuff and want it portable, why not just go Java which is proven?
Yet you have the nerve to say Java's licensing is 'odius' whereas MS allows them to scan your computer and find out what software you have and repot it to others, do changes without your consent.

What I think you fail to realize is that there is an upper limit to the competition that you revel in. And, while you are a willing suplicant, don't suppose that every other person should fall in line with you and your master's vision.
There really is an economic argument against monopolies, whether you want to believe it or not and it's espoused by leading Free Market Economists. Not Socialists, but Capitalists. You'd do well to read Hayek's Road to Serfdom to see what I mean.
One firms ability to arbitrarily crush the competition does not benefit anyone. It was great when MS was trying to supplant WordPerfect with Word, but what have they done since then? Bloated the product and killed their edge. Nobody is moving past Office 97 except those replacing licensing costs with cheaper alternatives.
Your great god is dying, my friend. Espouse principles you don't understand. Revel in the cult, but you'll be a minority some day. That stock will hit $10 before it ever hits $100. Guaranteed.
61 posted on 11/08/2002 8:04:06 AM PST by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: YankeeReb
Ok ...that was a little off topic, but I can't stand seeing the "Bush broke his No New Taxes" pledge without setting the record straight. Eight years of seing the White House turned into a septic tank still has me a little steamed.

Thanks for reminding me of that, I keep forgetting. Wasn't that also the same time that Algore sold his vote for the most TV exposure?

62 posted on 11/08/2002 8:49:20 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Mudboy Slim
Your discussion clearly shows one of the more basic issues that differentiates the left from the right. The left, with only "headline/readers digest" understanding of an issue pushes it's rightousness based on emotional desires.

Your points on the same subject are based on overall technical and market understanding, facts, and analysis of same. Just made my Friday.

Fellow techie

63 posted on 11/08/2002 9:18:50 AM PST by If6was9
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
Hey Yo.

"Your great god is dying, my friend. Espouse principles you don't understand. Revel in the cult, but you'll be a minority some day. That stock will hit $10 before it ever hits $100. Guaranteed."

So what the heck is your whole point? They're anti-competitive, but so incompetent they'll lose the market? You're arguing in loops (infinite). Time to recompile bud.

64 posted on 11/08/2002 9:24:53 AM PST by If6was9
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Thanks for reminding me of that, I keep forgetting. Wasn't that also the same time that Algore sold his vote for the most TV exposure?

As Ed McMahon used to say, "You are CORRECT sir!". Funny how the presstitutes never bring that up, but we're always hearing about "No New Taxes" anytime the '92 election is brought up.

65 posted on 11/08/2002 9:35:16 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: If6was9
One way or the other, they're going down. No, not in a week, but they will. They're struggling with their last two big product releases, OfficeXP and WindowsXP (how many machines are running it versus prior versions?)
And I don't think competence ever came into the discussion. In fact, the only thing MS is competent at is acquiring good software and then destroying or devaluing it. (Uh, Visio, anyone?)
My original point is that MS does not represent pure free market capitalism. Read the prior posts before commenting further, please. Thankyouverymuch.
66 posted on 11/08/2002 10:08:01 AM PST by dyed_in_the_wool
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