UN Votes on US Iraq Draft @ 10am (Live Thread) [It Passes!]

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[RobFromGa]

UNITED NATIONS

[RobFromGa]

Here's a place to discuss this important Security Council vote as it unfolds this morning. This is the culmination of a lot of work by the President's team.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

I see why this is news...I see why this is a defeat for the U.S.??? But let's ask the wifes and family of the U.S.S. Cole and all the families of the WTC that had loved ones that are now dead; how they feel knowing our country has to cow-tail and beg the United Nations to defend ourselves! What would have happened if our soldiers had to wait and beg the U.N.'s permission in WWII?

This was like a mini-political-war-of-words, we had to fight (and it is still not REALLY over until Koffi Annan dictates our military) before the real battle of defense. It is just not right, who is the Commander-In-Chief, President Bush or Koffi Annan? Sounds like Koffi Annan is, and when did we vote him in?

[A_perfect_lady]

Well, I'm not really happy that the UN Inspectors get to decide what constitutes "noncompliance" because that puts such an onus on them. Essentially, they will know that if any civilians die, it will be because they said "Iraq is not complying" and I don't know if these folks have the intestinal fortitude to make that call. Furthermore, I wish the UN would simply fold up and die.

Failing that, however, I admire W.'s ability to get what he wants even while following procedures that we know he probably despises. He is truly a patient, determined man. (And I'm an impatient, ill-tempered woman so I just want the bombing to go ahead and start. Start with the UN, move on to Berkeley, then hit Paris on the way to Baghdad, that is. ) (-:

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

Surprised, that we followed our constitution and the Commander-In-Chief of the United States made this decision,? Yes.

[TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!]

The President most likely indeed despises this begging. As he should he is Commander-In-Chief, not Koffi Annan. With all due respect to President Bush, it is within his power of the constitution to cease this hideous act of begging whom is not been elected by us, immediately. Then politics won't get in his way as our founding fathers intended.

[A_perfect_lady]

Yeah, it's a mixed bag. Because no matter how much UN approval we get, the lefties will just whine that we bought it, we forced it, it's still not valid... we validate the UN's existance by deferring to them but they can't validate our actions in the eyes of people who are determined to hate us as long as we hold on to our individualism, our free market, our weapons, and our status. The only thing that would satisfy the leftists is if we stood back and let Saddam the Socialist annex all the monarchies in the Middle East, nationalize all the oil, and try, yet again, to make a Socialist Utopia in the Middle East.

[MissAmericanPie]

While it would have been nice if the rest of the world, and U.N. members, had supported our need to defend ourselves. It would be flat wrong to allow them to break our momentum, waiting around for them to decide if they do agree.

Just because the U.N. no longer resembles it's original purpose and serves no useful function, or no longer follows it's own mandates, whatsoever, doesn't mean the United States chooses to join them in their worthlessness.

[theophilusscribe]

This is very funny.
Click here: http://www.bigfatbaby.com/newfun2/flash/saddam.swf

[Smile-n-Win]

And I'm an impatient, ill-tempered woman

And I thought you were a perfect lady! ;-)

[Smile-n-Win]

Because no matter how much UN approval we get, the lefties will just whine that we bought it, we forced it, it's still not valid...

Some of the leftists may even think the UN is part of the Vast Right-Wing Zionist Conspiracy! I mean, there are people who think CNN is firmly in the hands of the Republicans...

[RobFromGa]

President Bush has stated on numerous occassions that the US will go it alone to remove the Iraq threat if necessary.

Bush has forcefully stated that the USA is willing to give the UN one more chance to prove they can be relevant in today's world order. Bush is in effect forcing them to "put up or shut up".

Either way, we get our result-- regime change in Iraq.

RobFromGa's Short Version of The Resolution:

The US (and the rest of the UN) DEMANDS THAT IRAQ:

1. TELL US WITHIN 7 DAYS IF YOU WANT TO GO THRU WITH THIS INSPECTIONS FARCE.
2. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY ALONG, WE ATTACK.
3. TELL US EVERYTHING YOU HAVE NOW IN POSSESSION.
4: IF YOU LIE TO US, WE ATTACK.
5. Note: in the resolution "MATERIAL BREACH" are the words that mean WE CAN ATTACK. It means we can take whatever action against IRAQ we want-- without further UN decisions.
6. OUR INSPECTORS CAN GO ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME. (including palaces)
7. IF YOU TRY TO STOP THEM, WE ATTACK.
8. WE CAN INTERVIEW ANYONE WE WANT, WITH THEIR ENTIRE FAMILIES, OUTSIDE IRAQ, WITH NO IRAQI OFFICIALS PRESENT-- ANYTIME WE WANT.
9. IF YOU TRY TO STOP THEM, WE ATTACK.
10. AND IF YOU DRAG YOUR FEET OR SCREW AROUND, WE ATTACK.
11. THE USA RESERVES THE RIGHT TO ATTACK UNILATERALLY AT ANY TIME, FOR ANY REASON, WITHOUT UN PERMISSION.

[Damocles]

Seems reasonable!

[RobFromGa]

Syria to 'Save Face' with Arabs in U.N. Vote

The U.N. Security Council vote today is likely to be 14 yes, 0 no, 0 abstentions and 1 non-participate (Syria).

Syria is expected to claim it had not received voting instructions from Damascus in advance of the Arab foreign ministers meeting this weekend.

As such, the U.S. may claim the 14-0 vote was unanimous.

The Syrians will claim that Arab solidarity and lack of instructions from Damascus prevented participation in such a biased vote.

In doing this, Damascus avoids raining on the U.S. parade and also avoids ruffling the feathers of the Arab group.

Regarding procedure, the council will gather around 10 a.m. and go into a private session to finalize everything, which should only take around 15 minutes.

Between 10:15 -10:30 a formal meeting will begin and there will be speeches by 15 members, plus Iraq. The entire meeting would be around 90 minutes.

An Actual vote should come between 10:30-10:45, it will only take 90 seconds, and it will be a simple show of hands.

[md2576]

Interesting day in history:

November 8th:

In 1990, Saddam fires his army chief & threatens to destroy Arabian peninsula

In 1990, 100,000 additional US troops are sent to Persian gulf

Wonder if we will see a repeat of those actions after they announce their decision today.

Also, This talk of reporting to the UN before we attack sounds very familiar....

Oh I remember, read this post (A MUST READ)!

[pitinkie]

GREAT!!!!!!!!

[hchutch]

ROFLLOLSMDMD!!!

Post 12 is AWESOME!!! Post of the Day!!!

[MD_Willington_1976]

Screw the UN...The UN is a vipers den where 3rd world despots recieve preferential treatment while their fellow countrymen/women live in despondance...We do not need to be associated with such detritus...and we certainly do not owe them anything...

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[Howlin]

Voting now!

[Howlin]

Was that it? A show of HANDS? Weasels!