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Say Goodnight, Bill
Time Magazine ^ | 11/10/2002 | Margaret Carlson

Posted on 11/11/2002 6:05:43 AM PST by jhouston

A lot has been made of George Bush's victory last week. But while controlling the White House and both houses of Congress is impressive, there was an additional triumph to savor: driving a stake through the Clinton era. Although he wasn't running, Bill Clinton was a major presence, raising funds, campaigning for candidates and generally trying to help his party regain its mojo. Tuesday's vote was a repudiation of his efforts. What's more, last week's rout may well quiet critics who continue to suggest that with help from his brother and the Supreme Court, Bush had stolen the 2000 election from Al Gore. This is Bush Country now.

Clinton compounded his problems at the infamous memorial service for Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone. There he was, his face blown up on the Jumbotron, cheering and swaying as if he were at Woodstock IV, showing no disapproval then or later over the booing of Republican Senator Trent Lott, who had come to pay his respects. If Jesse Ventura, the ex-wrestler, can credibly take offense and, with impunity, order flags flying at half-mast to be raised early, you know it was unsavory. Here's how Congressman Tom Davis, chairman of the Republican Congressional Committee, summed it up: "Nothing gets Republican voters more hyped up than seeing President Clinton on the tube ... it got our base ginned up."

Coattails? Not on Bill. During the primaries, association with Clinton proved toxic. Three of his former Cabinet members lost. His intervention to help shore up black support for his wife in the New York State primary by getting his former Cabinet Secretary, Andrew Cuomo, out of the race led to one of the most impressive losses of the election. Comptroller Carl McCall lost to Governor George Pataki by 16 percentage points. In North Carolina, former Clinton chief of staff Erskine Bowles wouldn't even let the former Chief Executive visit. Where Clinton did go, candidates like Maryland's Kathleen Kennedy Townsend and Massachusetts' Shannon O'Brien lost. In Florida, where Clinton went to help Bill McBride, who was still within striking distance of Governor Jeb Bush, the ex-President failed decisively to get out the vote. Turnout actually dropped 17% from 1994, the last Democratic gubernatorial win.

Clinton wasn't, of course, the primary reason the Democrats lost, but there's no reason to think he would accept responsibility if he were. At a postelection dinner in his Harlem office, Clinton, his voice hoarse after three red-eye flights, said only that you can't beat a party with a message with a party without one, ignoring the fact that he is the master of blurring the differences, of shaking down the same wealthy donors as the opposition in exchange for a similar nonthreatening agenda.

A parallel shift in the culture suggests that Clinton-era values are no longer America's. Though a baby boomer, Bush rejects the instant-gratification ethic embraced by Clinton, the nation's first baby boomer President. Bush went from party-hearty frat boy to hard liquor­drinking Man in the Gray Flannel Suit (until he shaped up in his 40s) without stopping to dabble in the counterculture or go anywhere in a VW bus. He often laments not being one of the Greatest Generation he so admires (although he was no more up front about not going to Vietnam than was Clinton). Whereas Clinton liked going on MTV with 18-year-olds, Bush urges them and their parents to return to an "era of responsibility."

Clinton revered CEOs; they now appear regularly in televised perp walks. Clinton loved Hollywood; celebrities like Barbra Streisand had his ear and an invitation to the Lincoln Bedroom. Bush doesn't have movie stars over; he's in bed with Laura by 9:30. Hillary Rodham Clinton is the one politician to survive the association with Bill, although at a high personal price. If she decides to run for President, she may want to change her name yet again and become a Rodham once and for all.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: clinton; evenmargaretgetsit; funeral; legacy; memorialservice; minnesota
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More Clinton legacy.

The story is headlined with the infamous picture of Bill and Hillary yukking it up with Mondale.

The caption on the picture is;

"KEY MOMENT: Clinton yuks it up at the Wellstone memorial service"

1 posted on 11/11/2002 6:05:43 AM PST by jhouston
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To: jhouston
Wow. Even Margaret is catching on.
2 posted on 11/11/2002 6:13:17 AM PST by martin_fierro
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To: jhouston

J HOLT/MINNEAPOLIS STAR TRIBUNE/ZUMA PRESS

KEY MOMENT: Clinton yuks it up at the Wellstone memorial service

3 posted on 11/11/2002 6:13:50 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: jhouston; Mia T
During the primaries, association with Clinton proved toxic.

Margaret Carlson thinks this is something new?

4 posted on 11/11/2002 6:13:58 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: jhouston
Why are we not surprised to see Bill yuck it up at a memorial service?

Didn't we see this Clinton laughing when Ron Brown died?

Oh, I forgot, the media didn't want us to see that so most people never did.

5 posted on 11/11/2002 6:14:40 AM PST by 07055
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To: jhouston
And let's hope that we can say goodnight to the other Clintoon barnacles: Carville, Begala, Shrum, etc.
6 posted on 11/11/2002 6:15:02 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: jhouston
Is this the same Margaret Carlson who was vying for chief suck-up sycophant on the Capital Gang?
Wow.
The worm has turned.
7 posted on 11/11/2002 6:15:48 AM PST by Izzy Dunne
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To: jhouston
Ms. (Buck-tooth) Carlson would gladly lick Clinton's cigar, if she had the chance to, but even she has to admit that the former Pervert in Chief is an albatross around the DumocRATS necks.
8 posted on 11/11/2002 6:16:08 AM PST by jerod
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To: jhouston
Hitlery's hair looks hideous LOL did she not get madeover before the funeral?

What comes around always goes around... and the Hitlery witch is sure looking danged evenfuglier nowadays...40 face lifts could not fix.

9 posted on 11/11/2002 6:16:17 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: jhouston
I can't believe TIME is doing this piece.

This is the leftist liberal way to cast aside and move on to trying to fake the world with a fresh slate of "centrist" YEAH RIGHT! demoncrats.

10 posted on 11/11/2002 6:18:07 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: jhouston
Wasn't Mondale a centrist dem? He is as dumb as stones to let the Clinton's near him. But then again politically HE THOUGHT they were "it" as they had the hollywood $$$$$$$$$.
11 posted on 11/11/2002 6:19:59 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: jhouston
All right... Who replaced Margaret Carlson's brain??? This isn't what she told us during all those Clinton years... Somebody file a missing persons report!
12 posted on 11/11/2002 6:21:20 AM PST by DB
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To: 07055

13 posted on 11/11/2002 6:22:13 AM PST by ErnBatavia
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To: jhouston
"Coattails? Not on Bill."

Bill Clinton has coatails made out of the same material that college football jerseys were made of years ago. They were designed to tear away if a tackler grabbed material instead of the runner.

14 posted on 11/11/2002 6:23:22 AM PST by Movemout
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Mondale is centrist if you think Jessie Jackson is right wing... ;-)
15 posted on 11/11/2002 6:23:28 AM PST by DB
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
He [Mondale] is as dumb as stones to let the Clinton's near him.

Maybe not.
It's just possible that he DID NOT WANT THE JOB.
But couldn't stand up to the party bigwigs.

16 posted on 11/11/2002 6:26:30 AM PST by Izzy Dunne
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
It is something new if it appears in Time. This is a sign that the Rat bosses are dumping Slick Willie.
17 posted on 11/11/2002 6:26:43 AM PST by CasearianDaoist
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To: DB
Was he ever centrist? Even in the good ole days when democrats had some class AKA before Clinton's??? I don't know why I thought he was not so left....
18 posted on 11/11/2002 6:27:09 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Priceless but not surprising.
19 posted on 11/11/2002 6:28:43 AM PST by blackbart1
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To: tom paine 2
Remember how TOWN HALL DEBATE GRASSROOTS WJ CLINTON fooled all in the beginning of his national scene? The dems will just repeat their corruption with new lying faces is all.
20 posted on 11/11/2002 6:28:50 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: jhouston
What? No mention of Bubba using McBride as pimp during the Florida campaign of horrors?
21 posted on 11/11/2002 6:29:04 AM PST by NautiNurse
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To: Izzy Dunne
(although he was no more up front about not going to Vietnam than was Clinton).

I was amazed at this piece by Carlson, too, but she just had to throw in the above nonsense.

22 posted on 11/11/2002 6:32:02 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: jhouston
A parallel shift in the culture suggests that Clinton-era values are no longer America's.

I would suggest that the Clinton-era values were NEVER America's values. Those who propped him up in the media thought so,and, kept telling us so night after night thru the propaganda machine of the nightly news. The RATS are starting to jump off the Clintoon ship, but only because it is convenient, not because of any shift in their values.

23 posted on 11/11/2002 6:32:32 AM PST by capydick
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To: ErnBatavia
This is such proof he is a lying hillbilly coke blowing druggie drunk scum fake commie dirtbag demon from hell.
24 posted on 11/11/2002 6:33:33 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: jhouston
This page will be closing shop soon...LOL

WARNING VOMIT ALERT!!!!

GO HERE.
25 posted on 11/11/2002 6:39:26 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Mondale was Carter's VP... Mondale was to pickup the Democratic party base...
26 posted on 11/11/2002 6:41:56 AM PST by DB
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
"....he is a lying hillbilly coke blowing druggie drunk scum fake commie dirtbag demon from hell."

You're too kind and gentle with him, TaRaRa.

27 posted on 11/11/2002 6:42:16 AM PST by Reo
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
This is such proof he is a lying hillbilly coke blowing druggie drunk scum fake commie dirtbag demon from hell.

Except for the Hillbilly part you are correct
Hillybillys like good old boys singing C&W not a phoney blowing on a sax
28 posted on 11/11/2002 6:42:20 AM PST by uncbob
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To: martin_fierro
Margaret experienced a fleeting moment of lucidity. It was her first. Sadly it faded by the time she got to the last two paragraphs.
29 posted on 11/11/2002 6:43:33 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: capydick
I would suggest that the Clinton-era values were NEVER America's values.

You hit the nail on the head. Great post! Now the dems want to act like they are moving away from Clinton and closer to family values. But the reality is, if they took control of the Senate, he would still be their poster child.

Is this the beginning of a breakup between the dem leadership and BJ Clinton? I can only say one thing... "It's gonna be ugly." :-)

30 posted on 11/11/2002 6:44:15 AM PST by TheEngineer
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To: uncbob
I stand corrected, WJ Clinton is never nor will ever be a 'good ole boy' he tries to project himself to be.
31 posted on 11/11/2002 6:44:20 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Regarding this picture, I wonder just what could be so funny at a memorial service that was supposedly eulogizing a man who just died in a tragic plane crash. We are not having a memorial for somebody who died of old age here, this was a genuine tragedy. Compounding the tragedy is the fact that several others also died, including the deceased's wife and daughter. I can see quietly sharing a light moment here and there at a memorial service but this kind of guffawing and joviality is just so inappropriate and so out of place.

It is apparent in this photo that Clinton and Mondale are whooping it up about something. I can imagine the kind of conversation between them that was taking place:

CLINTON: So Walter, looks like you are back in the hunt, my boy! Congratulations on your good fortune!

MONDALE: Yep, it's funny how things work out, ain't it? Those Republicans ain't heard that last of Walter Mondale just yet!

CLINTON: Well don't you worry Walt, we got this thing all sewed up for ya. All you gotta do is smile for the cameras, kiss a few babies and give that Coleman character a big surprise at the debate we gonna set up for ya Monday morning.

MONDALE: Don't you worry old pal, Coleman ain't gonna know what hit him, I'm gonna sock it to him good and that senate seat is gonna be ours after all. Then I'm gonna go to Washington and tax their asses off!

MONDALE AND CLINTON: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

32 posted on 11/11/2002 6:47:45 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: jhouston
Personally, I think Margaret must have used a ghost writer for this piece.
33 posted on 11/11/2002 6:48:46 AM PST by diggerwillow
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
This page will be closing shop soon...LOL
Someone needs to send them some kneepads and an icebag. >:)

-Eric

34 posted on 11/11/2002 6:49:02 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
>This is such proof he is a lying hillbilly coke blowing druggie drunk scum fake commie dirtbag demon from hell.

Please don't insult hillbillies like that.
35 posted on 11/11/2002 6:49:27 AM PST by Missouri
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To: diggerwillow
Margaret was really disgusted with how the clintons threw Andrew Cuomo over the cliff. She was on Capitol Gain proclaiming that the clintons will stab you in the back. Well, duh.
36 posted on 11/11/2002 6:52:20 AM PST by Wphile
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To: Movemout
Coattails? Not on Bill.

Bill Clinton doesn't have coattails - he has used condoms.
37 posted on 11/11/2002 6:52:58 AM PST by AD from SpringBay
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To: capydick
I would suggest that the Clinton-era values were NEVER America's values. Those who propped him up in the media thought so,and, kept telling us so night after night thru the propaganda machine of the nightly news. The RATS are starting to jump off the Clintoon ship, but only because it is convenient, not because of any shift in their values.

I think this election also signals the end of the mainstream media's credibility, the sheeple are no longer buying the lies. For a rag like TIME to survive now, it had better realize that the people will scrutinize what they say. We on the right have been considering the source for years. Notice the loss of class warfare as a tool for the dims, and people have finally realized that when you treat corporations as the enemy, you do harm to the employees!

39 posted on 11/11/2002 6:54:25 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: jhouston
Say Goodnight, Bill

He's not going anywhere. Unfortunately, like an insidious cancer, he will poison the body-politic for many more years to come.

I hope I live long enough to see him and Hillary pay the full price for the damage they have done to this Country with their moral relativism.

40 posted on 11/11/2002 6:56:44 AM PST by fightu4it
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Hitlery's hair looks hideous LOL did she not get madeover before the funeral?

Don't you think she tore her hair out of grief over Wellstone's death?

41 posted on 11/11/2002 6:58:18 AM PST by jalisco555
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***Hillary Rodham Clinton is the one politician to survive
the association with Bill, although at a high personal price. If she decides to run
for President, she may want to change her name yet again and become a
Rodham once and for all.***

I guess a writer for Time has to toss in the liberal slant or get fired! Now we're getting the "poor, poor Hillary" bit. Is this the DNC's memo for the week?

Hillary didn't need to associate with Bill in order to be slime. She IS slime!

Oh, by the way, thanks for the interesting article.
42 posted on 11/11/2002 6:58:27 AM PST by kitkat
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To: jhouston
It looks like Margaret Carlson has seen fit to remove her blinders AND her kneepads!
43 posted on 11/11/2002 6:59:44 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: jhouston
His intervention to help shore up black support for his wife in the New York State primary by getting his former Cabinet Secretary, Andrew Cuomo, out of the race led to one of the most impressive losses of the election. Comptroller Carl McCall lost to Governor George Pataki by 16 percentage points.

Not only did McCall lose by 16 points, even more significant is the fact that his vote total only came to 33% in a heavily Democratic state that had twice before elected him to statewide office. Clintons are electoral poison.

44 posted on 11/11/2002 7:01:01 AM PST by jalisco555
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To: Movemout
By the time Earl Campbell reached the endzone all he had on was shoulder pads. Did they outlaw them or something?
45 posted on 11/11/2002 7:01:32 AM PST by It Matters
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To: jhouston
There is a very similar article on the home page of the DU website, (i.e. "The Era of Bill Clinton is Over"). I was really surprised to read it, considering the source. The DU article is in some ways even more causticly anti-Clinton and sarcastic, urging him to retire from politics. It concludes like this "The Democratic Party needs a new direction and it’s going to have to find its new direction without the guidance of yesterday’s hero. It’s time for Bill Clinton to ease into elder statesman status, to write his memoirs and live the comfortable life of an ex-president. He can make speeches for staggering sums, travel the world and best of all hire a new crop of interns every year. Both articles mention Clinton's performance the Wellstone memorial, and his botching of the NY governors race, but the DU gives several other examples, including how Clinton ruined Al Gore's political future.
46 posted on 11/11/2002 7:02:09 AM PST by dano1
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To: NautiNurse
***What? No mention of Bubba using McBride as pimp during the Florida
campaign of horrors?***

McBride AKA McPimp
47 posted on 11/11/2002 7:03:05 AM PST by kitkat
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To: It Matters
Tear away jerseys are no longer allowed. I don't remember exactly when that happened. Bill Clinton's tear away coattails are still allowed though.
48 posted on 11/11/2002 7:09:15 AM PST by Movemout
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To: SamAdams76
CLINTON: Well don't you worry Walt, we got this thing all sewed screwed up for ya.

p.s. I hurricane season over yet? :::::running and ducking:::::

49 posted on 11/11/2002 7:10:32 AM PST by NautiNurse
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To: TheEngineer
Thank You. And, you're right. If they had won, even by the smallest of margins, we would be subjected to more of the same lies from the Dim's (thru the media) telling us how great the rapist is,how the RAT's will keep W in check, how the voters like balance, etc,etc.
50 posted on 11/11/2002 7:19:13 AM PST by capydick
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