Priest, bishop clash in sex, theft scandals

THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | 11/12/2002 | George Archibald

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Actually, it is the business of every American now, especially since there has been so much subornation of the civil and criminal justice system by your clerics.

IMO, the RCC is an organization subject to RICO prosecution for its conspiracies and crimes.

[Zviadist]

More from the lovely diocese of Arlington:

Priest Refuses Communion to Kneeling Pro-Life Politician Calls Pro-Life Delegate a "Conservative Idiot"

ARLINGTON, VA, October 10, 2002 (LSN of Canada) - Honorable Richard Black, member of the Virginia House of Delegates and a heroic defender of life and family in the state legislature, was refused Holy Communion at Arlington's St. Thomas More Cathedral. On September 22, the Cathedral Rector, Fr. Dominic Irace, refused to give Communion to Delegate Black since Black was kneeling to receive. Fr. Irace told him he must stand to receive, but Black chose to rather to genuflect and withdraw.

In a letter of concern to Arlington Bishop Paul Loverde, Catholic pro-life activist Dr. Joseph Strada, wrote: "This affront to Delegate Black, and his family, is doubly shameful because Delegate Black is, without question, the most courageous defender of the innocent unborn on the floor of the House of Delegates in Richmond. One has to wonder if Fr. Irace would have been so bold as to refuse Holy Communion to Senator Ted Kennedy or other militantly pro-abortion 'Catholic' politicians who regularly attend Mass in Arlington churches."

After Mass, and in the presence of Black's wife and daughter as well as other faithful, Fr. Irace shouted insults to Delegate Black as he exited the Cathedral. When Delegate Black tried to avoid Fr. Irace, pointing out that he had refused him Holy Communion, Fr. Irace shouted "you liar!" several times. As Delegate Black left the Cathedral, Fr. Irace loudly called him a "conservative idiot."

In an interview with LifeSite, Delegate Black said that while he has been under tense situations in combat for his country and in the war-like political realm, he was concerned for other faithful Catholics who may be intimidated by Fr. Irace.

[Itzlzha]

The fact that you were once a Catholic gives you no special cachet or competency to comment, and doesn't require us to pay one whit of extra attention to what you say.

You SELF-RIGHTEOUS PRIG!

How DARE you tell ANYONE they have no right to say ANYTHING! You who will wear blinders to the GATES of HELL in defense of these blasphemous PEDOPHILES and PERVERTS in the collar!

Perhaps it is WE who should be telling you and YOUR ilk that YOU have nothing to add, nor any right to add it; since you allow these Perverts to permeate YOUR beloved Church...and thereby damage the very fabric of community and society!

Stick to harassing some shock-jocks...you look less foolish and evil that way.

Thank JimRob that personal insults and profanity are taboo here, else you would be squirming right about now ....

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Bias is simply the rational process on reaching conclusions based upon the prior acts of the similarly disposed.

In my experience, the RCC is institutionally corrupt at the top, and the most ardent defenders and apologists for the corruption are those who defer the most to that hierchial authority - that is to say, conservative or traditional Catholics. As such, that is what colors my statements.

You'd defend the actions of the Borgias, considering the effective way you've cleared out the criminals from your house.

How many prelates have been relieved over reassigning molesters?

[Chancellor Palpatine]

[whistling applause]

Hooyah!

[Steve0113]

Fr. Haley is removed for basically being a snoop

How do you figure? Should he not have reported what he observed?

[eastsider]

The information posted on the Dignity and Courage websites indicates that Bishop Loverde does more to accommodate secular dissidents than to minister to the Catholic faithful.

[ArrogantBustard]

Your links demonstrate nothing regarding the Diocese of Arlington. The "Dignity" (homosexualist) link refers to "Immanuel Church on the Hill" in Alexandria. This is an Episcopal church. I hope to see "Chancelor Palpatine" ranting and raving about the evil corruption in the Episcopal Church. If he has any integrity at all, he will do so. The "Courage" link is an email address for a person in Virginia Beach. This is in the Diocese of Richmond.

[Desdemona]

Perhaps it is WE who should be telling you and YOUR ilk that YOU have nothing to add, nor any right to add it; since you allow these Perverts to permeate YOUR beloved Church...and thereby damage the very fabric of community and society!

We allow nothing of the sort. WE do not choose the leaders. We can ask, request and pray, but there is no popular vote. These scandals hurt us far worse than they do any of you. And leaving rather than staying to fight the darkness accomplishes nothing.

Those who attack the church generally have an ax to grind which has nothing to with the faith as most who do attack it cannot even explain why they are doing so. It always seems to me that it really has more to do with envy and resentment.

And Campion expressed some of the frustration we all feel when people who have abandoned the faith attack it.

[ninenot]

Des, I have a couple of priest-acquaintances in Arlington. Suffice it to say that Loverde is regarded as "a Bishop", no more, no less. Little enthusiasm for the guy, but no real animosity from these men I know.

I'll make a couple of calls. While the Bish is really the Emperor of his territory and it sounds as though Fr. Haley tossed a few grenades without permission, it still smells a bit.

Back when I can on this.

[Desdemona]

...and the most ardent defenders and apologists for the corruption are those who defer the most to that hierchial authority - that is to say, conservative or traditional Catholics.

Huh? Part of the faith is to follow leaders. Many more conservatives question the current leadership than not.

You'd defend the actions of the Borgias, considering the effective way you've cleared out the criminals from your house.

Have you seen anyone defend the Borgias? Accept that this is part of history - yes. Defend - no. The criminals ARE being cleared out (albeit at church speed). Now, if we could figure out a way to convince the pope to replace Mahoney....

How many prelates have been relieved over reassigning molesters?

One tried to resign and was refused, which was a bad move. One did resign. Most of the rest are actually dead.

[Desdemona]

While the Bish is really the Emperor of his territory and it sounds as though Fr. Haley tossed a few grenades without permission, it still smells a bit.

That's what it sounded like to me, too.

[Desdemona]

Should he not have reported what he observed?

He should have. Absolutely. But you have to watch how you do it - and don't go asking questions up front of the parishoners.

[Itzlzha]

And Campion expressed some of the frustration we all feel when people who have abandoned the faith attack it.

To paraphrase Ronaldus Magnus...
"I didn't leave the Catholic Church, It left ME!"

Homosexual priests ALLOWED...Vatican II...pedophiles moved from parish to parish to inflict MORE misery and trauma on INNOCENT children, without parishoners aware of what they are harboring...The Lavender Mafia in virtual control of the RCC...

And you have the GAUL to reply...
Those who attack the church generally have an ax to grind which has nothing to with the faith as most who do attack it cannot even explain why they are doing so. It always seems to me that it really has more to do with envy and resentment.

Are you REALLY staying and fightig as long as you keep stuffing money in the coffers? As long as you keep up such drivel as "It's only a small fraction of Priests who are bad"? When Cardinal Bernie Law KEEPS his job after doing the damage he has done to the Boston Dioscese?

"The fish rots from the head down" was Dukakis' mantra....the DemonRats and the RCC PROVE this aphorism.

[ltlflwr]

Here is Bishop Loverde's contact info:

Diocese of Arlington
Most Reverend Paul S. Loverde
200 N. Glebe Road, Suite 704
Arlington, VA 22203
703-841-2500 FAX: 703-524-5028

Also:

The Most Reverend Gabriel Montalvo
Apostolic Nuncio
3339 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20008
202-333-7121 FAX: 202-337-4036

[Desdemona]

Homosexual priests ALLOWED...

No, liberals just did it and didn't ask anyone's permission.

Are you REALLY staying and fightig as long as you keep stuffing money in the coffers?

Actually, I never really did. I put money in the plate and for secfic things, but that's not my biggest contribution. My gift is in another form - which is being withheld until the music improves.

The Lavender Mafia in virtual control of the RCC...

I know you're not going to believe me, but I think their grip is nowhere close to as tight as it used to be (and they don't want to admit it). The people have had enough and are speaking up more. In Milwaulkee, Dolan's popularity is at rock-star level (he's REALLY a good guy). Law actually is orthodox and, according to more than one freeper, is really suffering. My archbishop and the the one in Chicago aren't lavender at all. And we all agree mahoney needs to go...

And, yes there are chips on shoulders - on all sides - and it does come out. We just get tired and frustrated because we are watching all the faults of our beloved faith exploited for those who wish to destroy and belittle it. Please, forgive us for being defensive. It's been a tough year.

[txzman]

You are too funny. Feeling a bit raw are we?

[eastsider]

Cardinal Ratzinger, as Prefect for the Congreation for the Doctrine of the Faith, wrote the following in his Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Patoral Care of Homosexual Persons (1986):

The Bishops are asked to exercise special care in the selection of pastoral ministers so that by their own high degree of spiritual and personal maturity and by their fidelity to the Magisterium, they may be of real service to homosexual persons, promoting their health and well-being in the fullest sense. Such ministers will reject theological opinions which dissent from the teaching of the Church and which, therefore, cannot be used as guidelines for pastoral care....

All support should be withdrawn from any organizations which seek to undermine the teaching of the Church, which are ambiguous about it, or which neglect it entirely. Such support, or even the semblance of such support, can be gravely misinterpreted....

Any bishop -- including my own -- who allows his priests or priests within his jurisdiction to give sacramental succor to Dignity, whether in a Catholic Church or otherwise, is in violation of the CDF's directive to withdraw "all support" from this dissident group.

Courage, on the other hand, is not a dissident group; in fact, to my knowledge, it is the only ministry to Catholics with same-sex attraction approved by the Pontifical Council for the Family. Local Courage chapters are listed on the Courage website only when approved by the local ordinaries. As you rightly pointed out, the Bishop of Arlington has not approved a local Courage chapter.

[passive1]

Unfortunately, it is utterly counter-productive to write/phone the papal pro-nuncio. The papal pro-nuncio collaborates with bishops when the flock complain. Essentially, the papal pro-nuncio uses your message like a bomerang - send him a message and you should expect that an exact copy will be sent to the bishop you are complaining about. Any Catholic who thinks he can send the papal pro-nuncio private information regarding misconduct in his diocese should anticipate that the bishop will know have everything that you gave the pro-nuncio.

[ArrogantBustard]

Any bishop -- including my own -- who allows his priests or priests within his jurisdiction to give sacramental succor to Dignity, whether in a Catholic Church or otherwise, is in violation of the CDF's directive to withdraw "all support" from this dissident group.

Concur. I can find no evidence, however, that actual Catholic Priests are involved with "dignity" in Northern Virginia. I have found evidence of people claiming to be ordained in such schismatic groups as the self so-called "Liberal Catholic church" being involved, and using Episcopal and Presbyterian facilities for their activities. These people call their activities "Mass" or "Liturgy", but they are not Catholic. If you have evidence of actual Catholic Priests in NoVa participating in "Dignity" activities, please post it.