Racism: Back In Style? (at Cornell)

Cornell Review ^ | Nov 11, 2002 | Paul M Eastlund

[Illbay]

I guess it's going to take 400 years for the pendulum to swing back the other way.

[Free the USA]

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[John H K]

Cornell actually probably has more conservative students as a % of the student body than any other Ivy....maybe Dartmouth might compete. Unless things have changed a lot since I was there.

Cornell 1) Has a large engineering school, compared to a lot of the other Ivies, and you have a lot of conservative students who are engineers (but politically inactive on campus because they're so damn busy with classes, thus you'll never hear about them)

2) Is the Land-Grant State University of New York..the same way Penn State is for Pennsylvania, Iowa State is for Iowa, etc. About 1/2 the students are from New York, many from politically conservative upstate New York, and they're studying things like Agriculture, Veterinary science, etc....Cornell even has barns with cows, etc. just like some big Midwestern State school. It's a totally different and unique "regular folks" population compared to the other Ivies.

3) Unlike the other Ivies, which DESPISE transfers, there are hundreds and hundreds of students at Cornell that have transferred there from other colleges, even a lot that started at Junior Colleges.

There's of course a ton of very vocal socialist PC nutjobs that you hear about a lot and for whatever reason make the news more often than at other Ivies. And the town itself is the People's Republic of Ithaca; the lefties hang around after graduation, the conservatives leave and get real jobs.

But the voluntary segregation thing is flat out weird, struck me as weird when I was there.

[A_perfect_lady]

Oh, I hope you're right. I hope they all just grow up and get jobs, and look at all the taxes being removed from their check and that first momentous payday and say "HEY!! Wait a minute!!!" I hope, I hope, I hope.

[Poohbah]

I wonder what Martin Luther King, Jr. would say if he were to walk in on this conversation.

More to the point...what would the audience say if King were to give his "I Have A Dream" speech to them?

Would they demand that the heretic be burned at the stake?

[mlmr]

Cornell gets a lot of press as a radical hotbed, as does Ithica. everyone I have met from Cornell is a leftist radical and most of the people I know from Dartmouth are too. I wish engineers did politics!

[Burkeman1]

Twice the rate? Try about 20 times the rate. White on Black murder barely even register for statistical purposes. But in the rare cases where it does occur a white who kills a black is much more likely to get the Death penalty than a black who kills a white. Also- a white who kills a white is far more likely to get Death than a black who kills a black.

[mlmr]

Come to think of it ... one does---- Jim Robinson!!

[StopGlobalWhining]

Actually, taking into consideration the difference in the population numbers, black commit 56 times the number of violent crimes against whites, as whites do against blacks.

I'd like to see the numbers of black on black crime. On a per capita basis, it is far far greater than that of whites committing crimes against blacks.

[DeFault User]

One interesting aspect of this piece will be the heat the author gets from the Cornell faculty and student population after publishing it on campus. They'll probaly regard him as Horowitz incarnate, a vicious racist, hatemonger and whatever buzzwords are de rigeur on the left these days.

[A_perfect_lady]

Well, I'm going by the FBI stats simply so that if someone says "where'd you get those stats" I can refer them somewhere. Do you have a source for your 20 to 1 rates, out of curiosity?

[Restorer]

You are correct. I believe around 90% of black crimes are committed against other blacks. Blacks are thus far more prone to attack other blacks than they are whites. The huge disparity arises only because the total number of black crimes is so disproportionate, and because white-on-black violent crime is extraordinarily rare. Apparently white-on-black rape is the rarest crime in the entire FBI database.

The reported high rates of black crime are often considered by liberals to be inaccurate or perhaps racist. This is actually quite funny, since the FBI statistics are compiled based on victim's reports, not on convictions or prosecutions. For the statistics to be inaccurate is would require either that the 90% black victims of black crime are lying about the race of their attacker or that a crime never ocurred at all!

[Burkeman1]

Mostly Hyperbole. I wouldn't be surprised if it was even greater- like 40 to 1. I have read a number of articles on this topic before and most articles say that white on black murder doesn't even come close to the level of black on white murder rates.

[TLI]

"Racism: Back In Style? (at Cornell)"

More like...

Racism: Black In Style? (at Cornell)

[Illbay]

And the town itself is the People's Republic of Ithaca; the lefties hang around after graduation, the conservatives leave and get real jobs.

Consider the difference, politically, between New York state and Texas.

Outside of the urban city-centers, Democrats are scarce. There are no Democrats in state-wide office, haven't been for a couple of election cycles now.

The only reason we have as many Democrat U.S. Representatives as we do is because of Democrat gerrymandering.

No Dem Senators. Majority Republican legislature.

But Austin, Texas, the site of the University of Texas, is EXACTLY as you describe Ithaca, and for the same reason: There are conservatives there, but they grow up and go to work for a living.

The Lefties stay adolescent and under-employed, by and large.

[Billthedrill]

I'm not sure it's progress, but we now have Ku Klux Klans of all colors.

I am reminded of an interesting scene in the movie Crossroads - Joe Seneca plays an old bluesman escaped from decades in prison, and he gets down home to encounter an stereotypical Southern loudmouthed, big-bellied sheriff and his abusive deputy...only they're black. "Well, Cap'n," says he, "I can see that not much has changed." And he was right.

[SauronOfMordor]

Actually, taking into consideration the difference in the population numbers, black commit 56 times the number of violent crimes against whites, as whites do against blacks.

Per FBI Uniform Crime Reports for 2001, Table 2.8 breaks homicides down by race of victim and race of offender. Blacks killed 475 whites, whites killed 180 blacks (2.6 times as many). Since blacks make up 1/8 of the population, the per-capita murder rate is much higher (it's late and I'm too lazy to do the math)

[mfreddy]

You forgot one important detail: When a black commits a crime on a white it is a crime. When a white commits a crime on a black it is a HATE crime, eligible for increased federal charges and possibly civil rights violations.

[Burkeman1]

Yes. "Hate Crime" laws were obviously designed to be used against whites. Thus in a fight at a bar- if a white utters "nigger" in the course of a fight that was over something stupid to begin with- that becomes a "hate crime."

[MattAMiller]

You have the relevant statistic. If going to try to figure out whether or not members of group X target members of group Y for crime then we want to look at what percentage of crimes are committed by group X against group Y and compare that to what we'd expect if victims were choosen randomly.

If victims we're choosen randomly we'd expect about 75% of all crimes committed by blacks to be committed against whites since whites compose about 75% of the population. Obviously that's not the case.