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Ads seek to turn buying a car into moral question (Enviral Blasphemy)
Naples Daily News (via AP) ^ | 11-14-02 | EMERY P. DALESIO

Posted on 11/14/2002 6:21:57 AM PST by AAABEST

RALEIGH, N.C. — An evangelical group hopes to turn the car-buying decision into a question of conscience with a campaign that asks: What would Jesus drive?

The Wynnewood, Pa.- based Evangelical Environmental Network will begin running television ads this month in North Carolina, Iowa, Indiana and Missouri to urge consumers to park their sport-utility vehicles and buy fuel-efficient cars because Jesus wants the Earth's natural systems preserved.



The Rev. Jim Ball, executive director of the Evangelical Environmental Network, sits in the Riverside Baptist Church in Washington, D.C., last week. The network, based in Wynnewood, Pa., will being running television ads later this month in Charlotte and Greensboro, N.C., as well as in Iowa, Indiana and Missouri, to urge consumers to park their sport utility vehicles and buy fuel- efficient cars because, he says, Jesus wants the Earth's natural systems preserved. AP photo

"Economic issues are moral issues. There really isn't a decision in your life that isn't a moral choice," said the Rev. Jim Ball, executive director of the group behind the "What Would Jesus Drive?" campaign.

It's a small voice considering SUVs, minivans and pickup trucks — which together make up the light- duty truck category — last year made up half the new vehicles sold in the United States. The average fuel economy for all 2003 model cars and passenger trucks dropped to 20.8 miles per gallon, reflecting what automakers and many buyers say is a higher priority on comfort and family needs than conserving gasoline.

Though automakers make higher profits from light trucks than on cars (by some estimates more than $10,000 per unit) they say they'd be happy to sell more fuel-efficient vehicles.

However, Eron Shosteck , a spokesman for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers said: "People want power. Consumers want power."

The Interfaith Climate and Energy Campaign plans to send mailings this month to 100,000 congregations discussing the relationship between fuel economy and reli gious teachings about stewardship and justice.

The campaign is a joint effort of the National Council of Churches and the Coalition on the Environment and Jewish Life.

The groups plan to frame their arguments in moral — as well as economic — terms by promoting hybrid and fuel-cell powered vehicles, as well as other existing fuel- saving technologies. Hybrids run on both gas and electricity, and so use less fuel than traditional engines. Fuel cells, a technology developed to power space vehicles, makes energy from a chemical reaction with no harmful emissions.

The Big Three — Ford Motor Co., General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler AG — plan to mass market SUVs and pickups with hybrid technology starting next year. Toyota and Honda began selling a limited number of hybrid cars this year.

Other technologies in mass production could cut the weight, improve the acceleration, reduce exhaust emissions and use half the gasoline of a comparative Ford Explorer XLT, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists, which supports tougher federal fuel economy standards.

Guessing which rig would meet Jesus' approval should be a serious consideration for conservative Christians, who are called to preserve the created world, Ball said. Global warming and smoggy air worsened by vehicle exhausts threaten the health of humans, plants and animals worldwide, he said in an interview as he rode a commuter train from his Washington, D.C., office to his Maryland home 55 miles away.

"We think he is Lord of our transportation choices as well as all our other choices," said Ball, an American Baptist minister. "When you need a new car, you should buy the most fuel- efficient one that truly meets your needs."


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This is yet another documented tentacle of the Green-whackos assault on America. Diana White Horse Capp touches on this in her book "Brother against Brother". The enviral whack jobs are trying to work their way into every facet of society, including trying to make it "Christian" to be a green socialist.

This POS "preacher" is nothing but a blasphemous, manipulative liar when he talks about what Jesus wants.

1 posted on 11/14/2002 6:21:58 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
What Would Jesus Drive? -- Well, in the book of Acts, it does say that the disciples were gathered together in one Accord. So, that's an endorsement for Honda from the Almighty.
2 posted on 11/14/2002 6:24:43 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: AAABEST
Jesus would probably drive a Tahoe or Expedition knowing that it would keep he & his flock safe in the event of an accident and also because he knows that the hole in the ozone is just a bunch of crap.
3 posted on 11/14/2002 6:26:23 AM PST by HELLRAISER II
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To: AAABEST
What would Jesus drive?

A Colt.

= )
4 posted on 11/14/2002 6:27:51 AM PST by Mr. Thorne
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To: AAABEST
"When you need a new car, you should buy the most fuel- efficient one that truly meets your needs."

The last line is really just common sense, but it doesn't imply you will not buy a SUV. What does "meet your needs" imply:


5 posted on 11/14/2002 6:45:17 AM PST by Brookhaven
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To: AAABEST
SUV haters aren't just left wing wackos. There are plenty here who call themselves "conservatives" who hate SUVs and would love for the government to "ban" them.

There are people on both the left and right who love to wield the "government" stick "to work their way into every facet of society". Freedom and liberty be dammed.

6 posted on 11/14/2002 6:48:20 AM PST by Bob Mc
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To: AAABEST
"There really isn't a decision in your life that isn't a moral choice," said the Rev. Jim Ball, executive director of the group behind the "What Would Jesus Drive?"

Moral decisions:
What's my favorite color?
What will I have for lunch?
Should I reply to that silly FR post?
Was the pastor's sermon nonsense?
Do I wear the blue suit, or the brown?
Is Dan Rather really that obtuse?

7 posted on 11/14/2002 6:48:23 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: AAABEST
In order to keep "un-Christian" discussions to a minimum, the following should be posted on the passenger side dashboard. Heck, this might even have made the Reformation unnecessary.

The rules listed below apply to the calling of Shotgun (the passenger seat) in an automobile. These rules are definitive and binding.

Section I - The Basic Rules

In order to call Shotgun, the caller must pronounce the word "Shotgun" in a clear voice. This call must be heard and acknowledged by the driver. The other occupants of the vehicle need not hear the call as long as the driver verifies the call.

Shotgun may only be called if all occupants of the vehicle are outside and on the way to said vehicle.

Early calls are strictly prohibited. Shotgun may only be called while walking toward the vehicle and only applies to the drive immediantly forthcoming. Shotgun can never be called while inside a vehicle or still technically on the way to the first location. For example, one can not get out of a vehicle and call Shotgun for the return journey.

The driver has final say in all ties and disputes. The driver has the right to suspend or remove all shotgun priviledges from one or more persons.

Section II Special Cases

These special exceptions to the rules above should be considered in the order presented; the case listed first will take precendence over any of the cases beneath it, when applicable.

In the instance that the normal driver of a vehicle is drunk or otherwise unable to perform their duties as driver, then he/she is automatically given Shotgun.

If the instance that the person who actually owns the vehicle is not driving, then he/she is automatically given Shotgun, unless they decline.

In the instance the the driver's spouse, lover, partner, or hired prostitute for the evening is going to accompany the group, he/she is automatically given Shotgun, unless they decline.

In the instance that one of the passengers may become so ill during the course of the journey that the other occupants feel he/she will toss their cookies, then the ill person should be given Shotgun to make appropriate use of the window.

In the instance that only one person knows how to get to a given location and this person is not the driver, then as the designated navigator for the group they automatically get Shotgun, unless they decline.

In the instance that one of the occupants is too wide or tall to fit comfortably in the back seat, then the driver may show mercy and award Shotgun to the genetic misfit. Alternatively, the driver and other passengers may continually taunt the poor fellow as they make a three hour trip with him crammed in the back.

Section III *The Survival of the Fitess Rules *

If the driver so wishes, he/she may institute the Survival of the Fitess Rules on the process of calling Shotgun. In this case all rules, excepting I-4, are suspended and the passenger seat is occupied by whoever can take it by force.

The driver must announce the institution of the Survival of the Fitess Rules with reasonable warning to all passengers. This clause reduces the amount of blood lost by passengers and the damage done to the vehicle.

Please follow the above rules to the best of your ability. If there are any arguments or execptions not covered in these rules, please refer to rule I-4.

8 posted on 11/14/2002 6:49:44 AM PST by lds23
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To: AAABEST
Jesus usually walked.
9 posted on 11/14/2002 7:15:42 AM PST by Cicero
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To: Bob Mc
I'm one of those here that hate SUVs. But only because I don't have one yet. I'm still stuck in the mini-van era.
10 posted on 11/14/2002 7:16:28 AM PST by barker
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To: AAABEST
"...in a YUGO..."
11 posted on 11/14/2002 7:18:52 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: AAABEST
A holy roller?
12 posted on 11/14/2002 7:23:20 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: AAABEST
The problem with asking "What would Jesus Do" is that we simply don't know. The culture that He lived in was so very different from our own. What would He do if living in our own time and culture? We can only speculate. And that's the problem: who is to say whether your speculation or my speculation is closer to the truth.

A much better question for Christians to ask is: "What would Jesus HAVE ME do?" That is a biblically valid question, and one to which we can turn to the Bible for some real answers.

What kind of car would Jesus have me drive? Well, certainly one that was affordable, becasue the bible does have some things to say about living prudently within one's means. Certainly also a car in good working order, as we certainly are not to recklessly endanger others. If you are transporting kids or others, you also have a responsibility for their safety, so maybe that's a plus on the SUV side. It could also be argued that we should drive to live and not live to drive, so our choice of car should be limited to utilitarian concerns and not an indulgence of our covetousness and vanity. Provided these criteria are met, I'd say that the kind of car that Jesus would have us drive is the car that gets the job done.

13 posted on 11/14/2002 7:24:27 AM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: AAABEST
The guy could barely keep himself in good sandles...
14 posted on 11/14/2002 7:29:53 AM PST by metesky
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To: AAABEST
Well we know God "drove out" Adam from the Garden. I assume God drove him out in a Fury....
15 posted on 11/14/2002 7:34:23 AM PST by freebilly
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To: AAABEST

No, this guy doesn't look gay at all.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

16 posted on 11/14/2002 7:36:08 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
What kind of car would Jesus have me drive? Well, certainly one that was affordable, becasue the bible does have some things to say about living prudently within one's means. Certainly also a car in good working order, as we certainly are not to recklessly endanger others. If you are transporting kids or others, you also have a responsibility for their safety, so maybe that's a plus on the SUV side. It could also be argued that we should drive to live and not live to drive, so our choice of car should be limited to utilitarian concerns and not an indulgence of our covetousness and vanity. Provided these criteria are met, I'd say that the kind of car that Jesus would have us drive is the car that gets the job done.

Ergo, a Chrysler MiniVan.

Or maybe a Christ-ler MiniVan?

17 posted on 11/14/2002 7:37:12 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: VRWCmember
In Job 9:17, we hear that Job has been in a car accident--

"For he braketh me with a Tempest..."

18 posted on 11/14/2002 7:37:23 AM PST by freebilly
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To: VRWCmember
Jacob's brother Esau also drove a Fury. In Genesis 27:44 Jacob is told "tarry with him a few days, until thy brother's Fury turns...."
19 posted on 11/14/2002 7:42:10 AM PST by freebilly
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To: Lazamataz
We also know that God sometimes visits people in his Geo--

Isaiah 29:6 - Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with Storm and Tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.

20 posted on 11/14/2002 7:51:28 AM PST by freebilly
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To: freebilly
Yes, but what about the Eagle Vision! Proverbs 28:19 says "Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he."
21 posted on 11/14/2002 7:54:37 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: freebilly
And in Galations 5:1 ("Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.") we find an endorsement of the latest SUV offering from Jeep.
22 posted on 11/14/2002 7:59:58 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember
We know from Psalms that one of the king's daughters drove a Ford--

Psalms 45:14 - in many-colored robes she is led to the king, with her virgin companions, her Escort, in her train.

23 posted on 11/14/2002 8:02:27 AM PST by freebilly
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To: VRWCmember
Very Good!
24 posted on 11/14/2002 8:11:51 AM PST by freebilly
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To: freebilly
We know from Psalms that one of the king's daughters drove a Ford--

Psalms 45:14 - in many-colored robes she is led to the king, with her virgin companions, her Escort, in her train.

Well, maybe she drove it, but in this case she had it on a flatcar.

25 posted on 11/14/2002 8:16:18 AM PST by Erasmus
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To: Bob Mc
"There are plenty here who call themselves "conservatives" who hate SUVs and would love for the government to "ban" them."

Well, I'm a conservative who hates SUVs, but I'd never want the government to ban them. It's my personal choice to hate 'me, and feel that others have the right to love 'em.

26 posted on 11/14/2002 8:21:31 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
"What would He do if living in our own time and culture? We can only speculate."

On issues like this, yes. I think it's pretty clear what Jesus would do or at least what He would want us to do in many areas.

27 posted on 11/14/2002 8:24:38 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: Brookhaven
If you have a decent sized family, or have to haul your kids and their friends on a regular basis, then a mini-van or SUV "meets your needs".

Hehe.... when my parents got our SUV, our fuel costs went down - because before that we drove a 15 seat passenger van! Why don't I think this church would like our family at all?

28 posted on 11/14/2002 8:27:32 AM PST by JenB
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To: Erasmus
Yes, rail was quite popular as this verse from Isaiah shows--

Isaiah 6:1 - In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

29 posted on 11/14/2002 8:28:40 AM PST by freebilly
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To: MEGoody
On issues like this, yes. I think it's pretty clear what Jesus would do or at least what He would want us to do in many areas.

So it's clear what car Jesus wants us to buy?

30 posted on 11/14/2002 8:30:11 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: AAABEST
It would likely relate to the church that Peterbilt.
31 posted on 11/14/2002 8:34:30 AM PST by Jonah Hex
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To: Erasmus
And according to Isaiah, air travel was also popular--

Isaiah 44:13 - "The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes...."

32 posted on 11/14/2002 8:35:10 AM PST by freebilly
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To: Jonah Hex
It would likely relate to the church that Peterbilt

LOL!

33 posted on 11/14/2002 8:38:33 AM PST by freebilly
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To: VRWCmember
Mazdas were preferred to Jeeps in the Old Testament.

II Chronicles 17:11 -- "Also some of the Philistines brought Jehoshaphat presents, and Tribute silver; and the Arabians brought him flocks, seven thousand and seven hundred rams, and seven thousand and seven hundred he goats."


34 posted on 11/14/2002 8:39:35 AM PST by Sloth
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To: VRWCmember
Gideon drove a Dodge Mini-Van

Judges 8:11 - "And Gideon went up by the Caravan..."

35 posted on 11/14/2002 8:42:15 AM PST by freebilly
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To: AAABEST
Well, all of the carpenters I know drive BIG pick-ups or vans.
36 posted on 11/14/2002 8:45:02 AM PST by Bob Buchholz
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To: Sloth
Well, Dodges and AMCs are mentioned in Job--

Job 41:26 - "Though the sword reaches him, it does not avail; nor the spear, the dart, or the javelin."

37 posted on 11/14/2002 8:51:38 AM PST by freebilly
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To: freebilly; lds23; Lazamataz; VRWCmember; Erasmus; Jonah Hex; Sloth
I'm becoming convinced that I exist in some kind of Gumby parallel universe, at least on FR. I try to be funny and people get all serious on me. I post serious items and all the clowns show up.


38 posted on 11/14/2002 9:04:37 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: freebilly; Sloth
You have both found several good references and endorsements of many different models, but I think 2 things are very clear from New Testament instruction:
(1) we should carpool; and
(2) we should drive Hondas.

Acts 2:1 and 2:46 - "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place." ... "And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart..."

Acts 15:25 - "It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,... "

Philippians 2:2 - "Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind."

39 posted on 11/14/2002 9:04:45 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: AAABEST
Jesus would have had 2 SUVs for those times when he and the apostles had to go out in the country to preach. Especially to those places where 4WD was necessary.

That, or a school bus.

40 posted on 11/14/2002 9:28:42 AM PST by hattend
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To: AAABEST
I'm becoming convinced that I exist in some kind of Gumby parallel universe, at least on FR. I try to be funny and people get all serious on me. I post serious items and all the clowns show up.

Not all the clowns, just enough for a quorum....;o)

41 posted on 11/14/2002 9:47:29 AM PST by freebilly
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To: VRWCmember
I will make a case that David, from whose lineage Christ came, was a Ford man. In 2 Samuel we learn that David wants to meet the priest Zadok at a Ford dealership--

2 Samuel 15:28 - "See, I will wait at the Fords of the Wilderness...."

42 posted on 11/14/2002 9:53:52 AM PST by freebilly
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To: VRWCmember
In Jeremiah we learn that Israel destroys Babylon and confiscates its vehicles....

Jeremiah 51:32 - the Fords have been seized, the bulwarks are burned with fire, and the soldiers are in panic.

43 posted on 11/14/2002 9:58:08 AM PST by freebilly
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To: VRWCmember
...an endorsement for Honda...

OUTSTANDING!

44 posted on 11/14/2002 9:59:47 AM PST by mil-vet
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To: AAABEST
...buy the .... one that truly meets your needs

If I could afford it, that would be a fully-loaded Lincoln Navigator. Meanwhile, I'll have to stay with my big, red, F-350, Diesel, crewcab, dually, long-bed pickup truck (242K and counting), especially with all the scriptural documentation pushing "Ford" products - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

45 posted on 11/14/2002 10:04:12 AM PST by mil-vet
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To: Teacher317
You forgot: "How many skunks had to die to make Sam Donaldson's wig?"
46 posted on 11/14/2002 3:10:18 PM PST by boris
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To: AAABEST
OK, here's a serious response:

47 posted on 11/14/2002 3:11:35 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: AAABEST
Forgive my ignorance--I'm Jewish--but Jesus apparently did not need to drive any car, being divine and having the power of bilocation...right?
48 posted on 11/14/2002 3:11:45 PM PST by boris
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To: boris
When He was incarnate, Jesus surrendered His divine characteristic of omnipresence.
49 posted on 11/14/2002 3:19:29 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: AAABEST
Remember Proverbs 17:22

A merry heart doeth good like a medicine...

50 posted on 11/14/2002 7:00:40 PM PST by Jonah Hex
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