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See Hillary yell at Nickles. But bring along your earplugs.
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Posted on 11/14/2002 9:48:23 AM PST by syriacus

Hillary is trying to say her bill says one thing. Nickles says the extension for unemployment benefits is much longer.


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KEYWORDS: acrimony; emptyheadedness; hillary; nickles; senate; unemployment
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1 posted on 11/14/2002 9:48:24 AM PST by syriacus
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To: syriacus
I wish I had taped this. Hillary is trying to cover her mistakes or lies (depending on how you look at it).
2 posted on 11/14/2002 9:50:05 AM PST by syriacus
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To: syriacus
On ms. clinton's best day she will NEVER get the best of Senator Nickles! Now that he is assuming the Chairman of the Budget Committee in January and won't be in the Republican Leadership, I would expect he will confront her even more!
3 posted on 11/14/2002 9:53:02 AM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: syriacus
...I wish I had taped this...

You're probably aware of this, but just in case I thought I'd remind you that CSPAN replays a lot of stuff later - you might want to check the schedule.

4 posted on 11/14/2002 9:55:02 AM PST by Flashlight
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To: syriacus
Bummer ! I missed Hilly -- some enviro-weenie "woman" (???) is whining about pipeline accidents -- call the wahhhhambulance !
5 posted on 11/14/2002 9:55:21 AM PST by twyn1
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To: syriacus
Arg! Check out Hillary! See the real person!

Gads! I know that type of woman. No wonder Bill Clinton stays away from her.

Oh, now they are spending 10 million bucks in Wellstone's honor? What a farce!

6 posted on 11/14/2002 9:58:20 AM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: syriacus
A skreeching harridan if there ever was one! It almost makes one sympathetic to sinkEmperor ... almost!
7 posted on 11/14/2002 9:58:31 AM PST by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
NAH....they deserve each other.
8 posted on 11/14/2002 10:11:34 AM PST by goodnesswins
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To: PhiKapMom
On ms. clinton's best day she will NEVER get the best of Senator Nickles!

He certainly seemed calm, clear and logical compared to Hillary.

I thought hillary's spiels would be a little different than her husband's spiels. She sounded just like WJC...only she was louder. She tried to drag in everything when she was cornered, no matter how immaterial it was to the questions being asked her.

Bill would have had problems following the rules of the Senate.

For some reason, I expected hillary to do better.

9 posted on 11/14/2002 10:13:41 AM PST by syriacus
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To: Flashlight
CSPAN replays a lot of stuff later

Thank you for the reminder.

Hillary's display was quite revealing. I wonder if she is more upset about the Dems losing the Senate or about Nancy Pelosi's winning the limelight as "the most powerful elected woman in American History."

10 posted on 11/14/2002 10:18:10 AM PST by syriacus
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To: twyn1; isthisnickcool; MHGinTN; goodnesswins
The biggest thrill was to hear Nickles explain to Hillary that
she doesn't get to decide whose turn it is to speak.

It's obvious that Hillary has spent too much time in the past year as "Madame President" of the Senate.

11 posted on 11/14/2002 10:27:12 AM PST by syriacus
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To: syriacus

Hillary Rodham Clinton

12 posted on 11/14/2002 10:29:42 AM PST by syriacus
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To: syriacus
"The biggest thrill was to hear Nickles explain to Hillary that she doesn't get to decide whose turn it is to speak."

Did that really happen? I mean, did he like specifically dress her down or something? It's a great mental picture.

13 posted on 11/14/2002 10:35:53 AM PST by Lee'sGhost
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To: syriacus
Hillary has always been "the supreme ruler" in her own mind -- that's why she has already had quite a few "tiffs" (and even downright fights) with other Senators, (probably more than we know, I'd bet a lot has been kept out of the news) -- she doesn't know (accept??) her place as a Junior Senator and is constantly overstepping the traditional boundaries -- it's rather funny and a bit pathetic -- whenever I think of it, I get the picture that a fellow FReeper posted of Hillary on the Senate subway -- sitting all alone in her pants-suit with swollen feet
14 posted on 11/14/2002 10:39:02 AM PST by twyn1
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To: isthisnickcool
Bent willie stays away from crusty because of her breath. It must have something to do with wiping her mouth with toilet paper and rinsing her mouth with tidy bowl.
15 posted on 11/14/2002 10:39:15 AM PST by chiefqc
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To: syriacus
You expected Hillary to do better because the drumbeat of the media, that Hillary is the "smartest woman in America," has sunk into your brain. Hillary is neither the smartest woman in America nor the Democrat's best politician. Hillary is probably not even the smartest woman on Capitol Hill -- Jeanne Kirkpatrick wins that one by a long shot -- and isn't the smartest woman on the Eastern Seaboard -- Phyllis Schlafly is.

Hillary is a novice politician who is propped up by a compliant media.

16 posted on 11/14/2002 10:46:52 AM PST by tom h
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To: tom h
Hillary is a novice politician who is propped up by a compliant media.

And fed her material by her handlers
17 posted on 11/14/2002 10:51:21 AM PST by uncbob
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To: tom h
Hillary is a novice politician who is propped up by a compliant media.

Precisely correct. More to the point, this is the first time in her life that she's actually accountable for what she says. Sounds like Nickles was asking for an accounting, and she couldn't pony up.

One has to question whether she'll learn her lesson and take the time to learn her own positions, or whether she'll make up for her ignorance by getting face-time on TV.

She'll probably opt for the face time -- it's lots easier, and the electorate probably doesn't know the difference.

18 posted on 11/14/2002 10:51:46 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Lee'sGhost
Did that really happen?

It seemed so to me. He said it matter-of-factly.

I am anxious to see what the Congressional Record says was their real exchange. I hope I will remember to look it up and post it at the end of this thread when it goes online.

19 posted on 11/14/2002 11:44:51 AM PST by syriacus
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To: twyn1
sitting all alone in her pants-suit with swollen feet

I always thought those were simply extensions of her thunder thighs.

20 posted on 11/14/2002 2:36:00 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: Lee'sGhost
did he like specifically dress her down or something

What a picture just passed before my eyes!!!!!

21 posted on 11/14/2002 2:41:15 PM PST by mware
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
Hehehehe!
22 posted on 11/14/2002 2:53:02 PM PST by LaGrone
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To: r9etb
Are you implying that Hillary is the smartest woman in the world? That the media has lied to us over and over about that?
23 posted on 11/14/2002 2:56:28 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
Erratum: Are you implying that Hillary is not the smartest woman in the world? That the media has lied to us over and over about that?
24 posted on 11/14/2002 2:59:58 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: syriacus
I hope they egg her on in her screamfests for all of America to watch!
25 posted on 11/14/2002 3:01:55 PM PST by pray4liberty
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To: syriacus
Is the video file of this on the C-SPAN site yet? Also how far in do we have to go to see it?
26 posted on 11/14/2002 3:04:19 PM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: syriacus
VIDEO! VIDEO! We wanna see the VIDEO! When will this video be on the C-SPAN website?
27 posted on 11/14/2002 3:05:44 PM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: syriacus
They are all crying out for a video link. Any luck?
28 posted on 11/14/2002 3:07:16 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian
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To: PJ-Comix
Looks like C-Span coverage is still on a live session -- they might have a late night replay, or check tomorrow...
BTW -- when I took a peek at the Senate proceedings about 2 (maybe even 3) hours ago, Senator Byrd was talking...when I just checked again, before posting this, he's still talking -- has he been up there that long ??
29 posted on 11/14/2002 3:10:33 PM PST by twyn1
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To: twyn1
not to worry, the byrd is on now
30 posted on 11/14/2002 3:12:07 PM PST by The Wizard
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To: The Wizard
Yep ! looks like he's filibustering again -- the Homeland Security Bill ! what a surprise -- gotta hand it to the old coot -- he sure does have stamina
31 posted on 11/14/2002 3:25:54 PM PST by twyn1
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To: twyn1
The ols coot is still talking...it's 8:15...now qouting from the Bible
32 posted on 11/14/2002 5:14:25 PM PST by BubbaJunebug
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To: syriacus
For some reason, I expected hillary to do better.

Why? Did you start believing the media hype that she was the 'smartest woman in the world'? They've tried to repeat that lie long and loud and many have come to believe it!

33 posted on 11/14/2002 5:18:21 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: syriacus
Where did this happen? On the Floor of the senate? In a committee mtg? Where? I would LOVE to see Senator Nickols tell her she does not decide whose turn it is to speak...my guess...it knocked her socks off to be treated like a colleague and nothing especially grand.

I wish Nickols were our Majority leader in the senate. I love this guy. And he has NO TIME for the clintons-with good reason.

34 posted on 11/14/2002 5:22:17 PM PST by Republic
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To: syriacus
Did it happen in the AM? Your post would indicate so....this is tooo rich.
35 posted on 11/14/2002 5:23:11 PM PST by Republic
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To: syriacus
Good for him. A REAL MAN who will stand up to Hillary. She wants equality...well she has it. If she is gonna lie with the big dogs she has to expect to be treated just like everyone else. She has had this image of herself as being all everything. Well, sorry Hillary. You're all nothing and if Nickles told her it was not her place to decide who speaks...I lift my glass to him!!!
36 posted on 11/14/2002 5:27:12 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: Republic
Where did this happen?

It happened on the floor of the Senate.

After all the years she's worked to become powerful and important, I'm surprised she exposed her emotional side like she did.

She must have felt very, very desperate.

Nickles questioned her about the length of time people would be eligible for unemployment. He said that from the official wording it seemed as though they would be eligible for twice as long as Hillary had just told the Senators.

Hillary thanked him (sort of) for pointing out that little detail. Then she tried to talk about other things. I think another senator or two offered their opinions around this time.

At some point Hillary said that maybe the wording could be changed so it would be clearer to Nickles. (Almost as though it was his fault that he couldn't understand it. --A quick dig.)

A little later Hillary said that they based this legislation's wording on legislation that came out during the Bush 1 administration (putting in a little dig that there was a Bush 1 bad economy, just like there is a Bush 2 bad economy).

Nickles was concerned about the trigger mechanism for this bill as opposed to the Bush 1 bill. When Nickles asked her some specific question about the circumstances for the Bush 1 bill she said, in effect, "How would I know? That was before my time. I wasn't in the Senate then." This was jarring, because she had just acted as though she and her buddies had spent time looking at the Bush 1 bill. You would think they would know something about the circumstances surrounding it.

When you read the transcript (or see the tape) you'll realize Hillary was unprepared for any meaningful discussion of something that was supposedly important to her.

She kept trying to talk at length about particular unemployed people, rather than deal with what the legislation really said. Nickles asked her very specific questions and she was unable (or unwilling) to answer them. Her tactics were just like those of her husband. (She used WJC's typical story line of --"Now take Joe Smith. He's a steelworker whose been unemployed for 3 months......") It was obvious that she wanted the viewers to know how very, very much she and the Democrats care about the (non-)working people.

I wish I could remember everything and the order in which it happened. I hope you all get to see it.

37 posted on 11/14/2002 6:18:53 PM PST by syriacus
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To: pray4liberty
I agree! The more she melts down in public, the worse she looks (outside the Red Diaper Baby enclave of Manhattan). She will remind more and more folks of the psychos they know and hate. So PIAPS keep a yellin!
38 posted on 11/14/2002 6:19:20 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: syriacus
Try this web page at a later time to see if November 14th senate activites are posted

http://thomas.loc.gov/r107/r107.html
39 posted on 11/14/2002 6:57:59 PM PST by syriacus
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To: SuziQ
I just don't know why you are only creditting hillary with being the "smartest woman in the world". I think it is sexist not to admit she is the "smartest being in the world". Poor thing! To think there could be MEN out there who are smarter. Maybe a lot of them. We poor women, on the other hand, just have to settle for being really STUPID, cuz' she is smarter than we are, and that means we must be limited to an IQ of about 80. Damn, does this mean I have to start saying DUH more. Or will "Uhm, ahhh, ahhh" suffice?

TC

40 posted on 11/14/2002 8:37:04 PM PST by I_be_tc
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To: syriacus
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-2172703,00.html

[excerpt]

House, Senate OK Benefits Bills

Friday November 15, 2002 6:10 AM
WASHINGTON (AP) - The House and Senate approved separate unemployment benefits bills Thursday night as lawmakers rushed to get their legislation approved before adjourning the postelection session and heading home for the year.

The House bill would extend unemployment benefits for victims of the recession. Congress had approved a 13-week extension of unemployment benefits as part of an economic stimulus package it passed earlier this year, but that extension expires Dec. 28.

The House bill would provide for another five weeks of benefits for those who have not yet exhausted their extension. That's designed to give lawmakers time to return in January and examine the issue further.

The Senate approved by voice vote a version that would offer an extension through the end of March. It would also allow people who have exhausted their regular 26 weeks of unemployment insurance to qualify for the extension, lawmakers said.

``The House passed a one-month program. This is a three-month program,'' said Sen. Don Nickles, R-Okla. ``I happen to think it's a more orderly, more well-thought-out program.''
(more at link)
41 posted on 11/15/2002 5:09:55 AM PST by syriacus
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To: syriacus
Reuters has this to say about the Nickles-Clinton "discussion."

 
House, Senate Back Different Unemployment Bills

Oklahoma Sen. Don Nickles, the assistant Republican leader who helped craft a Senate compromise with New York Democrat Hillary Clinton said the Senate bill was "a more orderly, well-thought out program."

More (but nothing about Hillary yelling)
at http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=politicsnews&StoryID=1743302
42 posted on 11/15/2002 5:22:46 AM PST by syriacus
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To: syriacus
Thank you for clarifying what happened between Nichols and that witch. I love that he challanged her on specifics, especially when she got her dig in at Bush 1 and then could not exlain the circumstances or ANY specifics of that same bill she was speaking of...heheh.

She must really be seething underneath at Nichols. Hillary hates to be made to look stupid, probably more than most since she has spent years convincing the press thru her war room flying monkeys that she is 'the smartest woman in the world'. Nichols exposed her, easily. She must have looked very uninformed, unprepared, unintellectual and extremely bent on NOT answering the questions.

My guess-she will try to get even, and fail. She and her husband are being exposed for the snakes they are with such rapidity no one can keep up. I am astounded at the venom so many feel towards this very cruel failed ex first lady.

My hubby was listening to Gary Aldrich on a radio station out of Anderson, Indiana yesterday, sorry he does not remember who the host was/is, and Gary said that America is going to be shocked when the real stuff the klintons did to our nation starts pouring out over the next ten years.

The klintons may have pelosi ( btw-did you see hillary try to grab the headlines away from pelosi yesterday? WHAT A STITCH!) as the minority leader in the house, and daschle in the senate, but they are going to have no one to defend the indefensible when the barrage really begins.

43 posted on 11/15/2002 6:30:39 AM PST by Republic
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To: syriacus; Mudboy Slim; lawgirl; Wphile; ohioWfan; cyn; muggs; Swede Girl; Freedom'sWorthIt; ...
Oh....and I wish, how I wish, that I could have heard Senator Nichols inform hitlery that 'is was NOT up to her to decide whose turn it is to speak'>

There is a part of me that would have LOVED to watch that.....

And BTW-did you SEE how she looked yesterday? I mean I know she was trying very desparately to outdo Nancy Pelosi 's big press debut as minority leader-the klintons cannot bear to share the spotlight with anyone who might impact their future plans, etc.

But my gosh, syriacus, her HAIR, her MAKE-UP, her FACE (ewwwwwwwwwwwww). She looked as if she was desparate, out of touch, maybe even mentally ill. She looked unkept and very unprofessional for a Senator. Altho-considering her failure as a first lady (no way could she EVER attain the 'lady' part of that title), I am not surprised. Just sickened.

44 posted on 11/15/2002 7:29:36 AM PST by Republic
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To: I_be_tc
Damn, does this mean I have to start saying DUH more. Or will "Uhm, ahhh, ahhh" suffice?

Actually, the key to intellectual superiority is to constantly re-charge your brain with shots of, "ya know?", "ya know?", "ya know?"

45 posted on 11/15/2002 7:49:37 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Republic; PhiKapMom; Liz; Libloather; rintense; Landru; goldilucky
The HildaBeast "...looked as if she was desparate, out of touch, maybe even mentally ill. She looked unkept and very unprofessional for a Senator. Altho-considering her failure as a first lady (no way could she EVER attain the 'lady' part of that title), I am not surprised. Just sickened."

I reckon that was a site to behold...any pictures?!

FReegards...MUD

46 posted on 11/15/2002 8:45:48 AM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mudboy Slim
I hope at leaset RUSH will have the audio of this, I'm dyng to hear this. I just love it when Hitlery get's caught.
47 posted on 11/15/2002 8:50:13 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro
"I just love it when Hitlery get's caught."

Yep...when it's on videotape, it makes it so much harder fer her to say
"I don't recall...I am a jello-head...I don't recall...I am a bubblehead!!"

FReegards...MUD

BTW...I'm lovin' this...LOL!!

48 posted on 11/15/2002 8:54:57 AM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: Republic
The transcript is now at

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?r107:9:./temp/~r107uNKU1k::

Here is an exerpt, it's hard to follow, and unfortunately you can't hear the way the words were delivered. You also can't see the expressions on her face, which revealed her confusion. She's smart enough to choose words that will look all right in the Congressional record.

I'm posting my comments about certain sentences in a reply to this reply.

UNANIMOUS CONSENT REQUEST--S. 3009 -- (Senate - November 14, 2002)

  Mrs. CLINTON. Mr. President, I intend to offer a unanimous consent request that the Senate proceed to immediate consideration of the extension of unemployment insurance. As the dialog between the distinguished Senators from Pennsylvania and Michigan just illustrated, this is an issue that had bipartisan support--really, nonpartisan support.

   There are 2.2 million workers who have exhausted or are about to exhaust their benefits without finding a job. Ignoring these people, especially as we are about to enter into the Thanksgiving-Christmas holiday season, will not make them go away. It is not going to help them automatically find a job because they have been out there diligently looking.

   The fact is, we don't have enough jobs right now.(wordy introduction)[snip]

Mr. NICKLES. Will the Senator yield for a question?

Mrs. CLINTON. Certainly.

Mr. NICKLES. I wish to ask her a question before she asks unanimous consent. Just to clarify the record, to be correct, I believe she stated her proposal is a 13-week extension. Is her proposal S. 3009?

Mrs. CLINTON. Yes, it is.

Mr. NICKLES. Just to clarify, I believe that is not a 13-week extension; it is a 26-week extension.
[snip]

   I wanted to make sure you are aware that the bill you are trying to pass by unanimous consent, S. 3009, is not a 13-week extension, but it is a 26-week extension and costs $17.1 billion. A simple 13-week extension costs less than half of that. I wanted to make those few facts known before I object to the Senator's request.

Mrs. CLINTON. I appreciate the Senator's factual intervention.(1) It is the same proposal that was used in the early 1990s to extend unemployment insurance under the first President Bush. It is what has historically been done. Now, some people benefit more because of the circumstances in which they find themselves. Indeed, when we passed the only extension of unemployment insurance back in, I think, March, there were a couple of States that had been very hard hit that were given additional benefits.

[snip]

Ms. CANTWELL. Will the Senator yield?

Mrs. CLINTON. Yes.

Ms. CANTWELL. I am joining the Senator in support of bringing this up under a unanimous consent. The issue the House is looking at is simply another 5-week extension. So, yes, maybe more for the holidays people will think they have 5 more weeks. But the issue is that expansion of this unemployment program is about helping people through a tough economic time. We don't expect that it is going to get any better January 1 or January 31.

   Frankly, I think if you listen to Alan Greenspan and everybody else in the administration, they don't expect it is going to get any better in the next 5 months. So the point is that we want to have a stimulus for those local economies.
(etc. wordiness)
 [snip]

Mr. NICKLES. Will the Senator yield for a question?

Mrs. CLINTON. I yield to the Senator from Maryland.

Mr. SARBANES. I commend the Senator for offering this unanimous consent request. Secondly, in response to the points raised by the Senator from Oklahoma, as I understand it, the bill provides for an additional 13 weeks. If you have exhausted your benefits, having drawn the basic 26 weeks, and the additional 13 weeks that we have provided for in March of this year, you could then draw another 13 weeks. So for that limited group would, in fact, get 52 weeks. I point out that that limited group is unemployed. They have not been able to get a job in a labor market that is not working. (etc more wordiness) [snip]

What the Senator is seeking to do was done, I must point out, under President Bush the first. For the life of me, I don't understand why President Bush the second won't agree to and support this measure.
[snip wordiness]
There are many who think the existing system is inadequate. She is not seeking to correct that, as I understand it. We are only seeking to do this 13-week extension. I certainly think we ought to do that before this Congress leaves.

I thank the Senator.

Mrs. CLINTON. I thank the Senator.

Mr. NICKLES. Will the Senator yield?

Mrs. CLINTON. Yes, I yield to the Senator from Oklahoma.

Mr. NICKLES. I want to make a statement. Too many times it happens--the Senator yields to me to ask a question, not to make a speech--many times in the debate people have yielded the floor as if they control the floor. (2) The Presiding Officer controls the floor. The Senator can yield for a question but not yield for a speech. I did not hear a question the last time. I do not want to get too technical, but we ought to adhere to normal Senate rules.

Now my question: The Senator is trying to pass a bill. I stated that the bill is a 26-week extension, not a 13-week extension. I keep hearing people say it is a 13-week extension. That is not factually correct. It is a 26-week extension. If you just entered into the program, am I not correct, you can exhaust your 26 weeks of State benefits and qualify for 26 weeks of 100 percent Federal benefits? It is a 26-week extension which doubles the cost of the program. It is a $17 billion program. Am I not correct--I want to be factually correct. If I am wrong, I am happy to be corrected. But am I not correct it is really a 26-week extension for anybody entering into the program? So people could qualify for 26 weeks of State benefits and 26 weeks of Federal benefits if the Senator's bill should pass?

 Mrs. CLINTON. With all due respect to my friend from Oklahoma, that is not what the bill says. The bill provides 13 weeks for those first coming into the system, but for people who have already exhausted their 13 weeks, it does provide an additional 13 weeks, which adds up to 26 weeks.

   Maybe it is not artfully enough drafted. I certainly have the greatest respect for my colleague from Oklahoma, who is one of the premier legislators in this body, but if it is not clear, then I will be more than happy to write it so it is absolutely clear.(3)

The intention is, as I have stated, to provide an additional 13 weeks to people who have exhausted their benefits. To echo the eloquent comments of my colleagues from Washington and Maryland, there are lots of people out there. The Senator from Washington read the numbers. Let me give you one quick example.

  The intention is, as I have stated, to provide an additional 13 weeks to people who have exhausted their benefits. To echo the eloquent comments of my colleagues from Washington and Maryland, there are lots of people out there. The Senator from Washington read the numbers. Let me give you one quick example.

   Mr. NICKLES. I want an answer to my question.

   Mrs. CLINTON. The answer is the bill does not provide for those first coming into the system 26 weeks. It does provide an additional 13 weeks so that those who have exhausted their first 13 weeks can have 26 weeks.

Mr. NICKLES. Will the Senator yield further for a question?

Mrs. CLINTON. Yes.

Mr. NICKLES. I believe the bill offers 26 additional weeks for anybody who just came into the system.

Mrs. CLINTON. We would be more than happy to clarify that. That is not the way the bill was intended. It certainly is not the way it was meant to be drafted. If there is any--

Mr. NICKLES. Will the Senator yield for an additional question?

Mrs. CLINTON. Let me finish my answer. You get to ask, I  get to answer. My answer is, it is intended to be a 13-week extension. If there needs to be a cutoff point so it is absolutely clear that this is the intention, we stand ready to do that.

(Much Clintonian wordiness here.)

Mr. NICKLES. Will the Senator yield for an additional question?

   Mrs. CLINTON. Yes, I will be more than happy to yield.

   Mr. NICKLES. The proposal before us still has the adjusted insured unemployment rate to where it includes the following paragraph:


   Except that individuals exhausting their right to regular compensation during the most recent three calendar months for which data is available before the close of the period for which such rate is being determined shall be taken into account as if they were individuals filing claims for regular compensation for each week during the period for which the rate is being determined.


Basically that means if someone even completes the system and gets a job, they still are counted as unemployed; is that still in this legislation?

[big snip of back and forth]

Mrs. CLINTON. [snip] we went back to our last recession under the previous President Bush. We thought that would be a good model as to what was done five times to extend unemployment insurance benefits.  
[snip]

If it was in some way misguided to rely upon the first Bush administration's extension of unemployment insurance, then we are going to say we did the best we could to look at what had been effective and worked in the past.

Mr. NICKLES. So the answer to my question is that language is still in the bill?

Mrs. CLINTON.We have the same language that was used in the first Bush recession. Now we are in the second Bush recession. We are using the same language. It worked then. (4)

   Mr. NICKLES. Will the Senator yield again? So that language is still in there. I will tell my colleague, I will never agree to this language passing. I will also tell my colleague, if she is politicizing this, talking about the first Bush recession and the second Bush recession, the first compensation package did not have the same triggers.[snip]

I also ask my colleague, are not the triggers different under this proposal than the compensation packages that passed in the early nineties?

Mrs. CLINTON. It is the same kind of trigger, I am advised.

  Mr. NICKLES. There are different triggers. More States would qualify for greater benefits; is that not correct?

   Mrs. CLINTON. It includes States with concentrated high unemployment. That is true, there is a slightly different trigger. Again, I was not around in 1991 and 1992, so I cannot speak to what the Senator would or would not have done.(5)[snip]
49 posted on 11/15/2002 9:12:26 AM PST by syriacus
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I'm sorry you won't be able to hear Hillary shouting her words. My eardrums were vibrating.

1.Clinton:I appreciate the Senator's factual intervention.

She says this short sentence and then skips to more wordiness.


2. Mr. NICKLES. I want to make a statement. Too many times it happens--the Senator yields to me to ask a question, not to make a speech--many times in the debate people have yielded the floor as if they control the floor. The Presiding Officer controls the floor. The Senator can yield for a question but not yield for a speech.

A subtle reprimand from Nickles.


3. Clinton: Maybe it is not artfully enough drafted. I certainly have the greatest respect for my colleague from Oklahoma, who is one of the premier legislators in this body, but if it is not clear, then I will be more than happy to write it so it is absolutely clear.

In other words, she is saying Nickles is not smart enough to understand what she wrote.


4. Clinton: We have the same language that was used in the first Bush recession. Now we are in the second Bush recession. We are using the same language. It worked then.

Blaming Bush for the recession. She does it more than once.


5. Mrs. CLINTON. It includes States with concentrated high unemployment. That is true, there is a slightly different trigger. Again, I was not around in 1991 and 1992, so I cannot speak to what the Senator would or would not have done.

And she escapes from guilt for not mentioning the difference between the triggers, because she wasn't around. She tries to word this in a way that doesn't sound like she is looking for an excuse, but she is looking for an excuse.

50 posted on 11/15/2002 9:16:51 AM PST by syriacus
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