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1 posted on 11/14/2002 11:05:10 PM PST by Coeur de Lion
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To: Coeur de Lion
What is achieved by debating whether or not islam, had a "golden era?" If it did, it was a very long time ago.

Judging based on the present times, islam is a source of very much evil. For a thoughtful current follower to ignore all of the warring and terror, specifically for the cause of islam, is sheer folly.

If islam is to be redeemed, it will require its leader and followers, to do much more, than give lip service to "peace" proclammations, always given with denouncements of all its many enemies.



2 posted on 11/14/2002 11:40:25 PM PST by truth_seeker
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3 posted on 11/14/2002 11:53:48 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Coeur de Lion
One of the reasons I posted this was because it presents in a nutshell why the so-called Golden Age of Islam had very little to do with Islam itself. In fact I've always believed this Golden Age was much overrated and driven more from multiculturist aims than anything else. Why is any of this important? The mindset of the Moslem is not the same as those in the West. Most Moslems believe in the inherent superiority of their religion and as a result their culture to the extent that all others are inferior. It doesn't matter if they're living in a mud hovel in Afghanistan, they believe that they're superior to all other non-Muslims. This particular mindset has been observed but most with a Western orientation don't understand it, because it seems so foreign to us in its absolutism.

Additionally the West has a universal set of values which overall we're expected to adhere to. Yes, maybe we can kill Indians, or perhaps Jews should be mass executed as has happened in the past but we all know in our hearts the wrongness of doing these things and must rationalize why we do them i.e. they're salvages or the hereditary enemies of the Aryan People. With Islam the only universal principles which apply are to other Muslims. In the words of Lady Isabel Burton wife of Sir Richard Burton, "Out of the very stones they will fabricate such a tower of falsehoods that you can only stand and gabe in wonder and admiration at their fruitful invention."

They will use reason to argue their case. But they really believe it's only necessary for those who give credence to reason. Not to themselves because they know the rightness of their cause The case as to whether there was a Golden Age attributed to Islam only matters to a Muslim because it is a confirmation of the superiority of Islam, and it's also useful in dealing with non-Muslims.

The awareness of this mindset makes it actually easy to understand why so little response is ever forthcoming from their communities when some terrorist acts occur.

9 posted on 11/15/2002 1:04:25 AM PST by Coeur de Lion
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It is said that the numeric ZERO was invented by Muzzle-em Arabs . . . wherefore, I contend it is now time to reduce them to absolute ZERO (in humble respect of their suppose invention, of course) !!! ;-))


12 posted on 11/15/2002 3:33:17 AM PST by GeekDejure
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To: Coeur de Lion
Well we do use Arabic numbers, but like the author said, that has about as much to do with Islam as the microchip has to do with Christianity.

IMHO, Islam is like the Catholic Church in the middle-ages.
17 posted on 11/15/2002 6:04:25 AM PST by jjm2111
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The Golden Age of Islam is a Myth

Got that right. Of all the centuries of Islamic rule throughout the Middle East, Africa, and elsewhere, there was a period of scarcely a hundred years near the beginning when the Arabs actually controlled it. They did virtually everything else through mercenaries. The same goes for the supposed products of Islamic "civilization": they were the accomplishments of subject peoples. The period under the Turks was a bit different, though.
19 posted on 11/15/2002 7:16:35 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Coeur de Lion
Good indictment. Bump.
20 posted on 11/15/2002 11:36:09 AM PST by DoctorMichael
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To: Coeur de Lion
Second in a series of excerpts

Wondering where the other excerpt might be? I couldn't locate after a brief search on frontpagemag.

21 posted on 11/15/2002 11:52:57 AM PST by slowry
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ping.
22 posted on 11/15/2002 12:02:12 PM PST by MoGalahad
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