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Pelosi Not A "Conservative Catholic" Catholic League President Says (New Old Left)
NewsMax ^ | 11/15/02 | Limbacher

Posted on 11/15/2002 2:17:03 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Nancy Pelosi's claim to be a "conservative Catholic" was challenged today by an astonished Catholic League president William Donahue.

Noting that Pelosi made the claim on yesterday's CNN show, "Inside Politics," when the new House Minority Leader said, "Yes, I'm a liberal Democrat, but I'm a conservative Catholic," Donahue ticked off Pelosi's numerous stands in conflict with her Church:

Pelosi, has voted against school vouchers and the Faith- Based Initiative.

She has been an ardent abortion supporter. " When it comes to abortion, no one in the U.S. Congress has a more extreme record than she does," Donahue reports. "Whether the issue is parental consent or partial-birth abortion, she can always be counted on to deliver a pro-abortion vote." In spite of these anti-Catholic positions, Donahue said "she calls herself a 'conservative Catholic.' It would be instructive to know what she considers a liberal Catholic to be."

And Donahue wasn't finished: "It's actually worse than this," he said. "The October 12 edition of the PBS program, 'To the Contrary,' showed Pelosi playing host to anti- Catholics. Frances Kissling and other staff members of the notoriously anti-Catholic organization Catholics for a Free Choice, were featured walking out of Pelosi's office after a lobbying session.

"Pelosi's contacts with these anti-Catholics is nothing new: in 1995 she was critical of the U.S. bishops for blasting Kissling's outfit as anti-Catholic," he recalled. "At that time, the bishops objected to the inclusion of Kissling's group at the U.N. Conference on Women that was to be held in Beijing.

"In reference to Kissling, William Cardinal Keeler, then head of the bishops' conference, said 'To use the name Catholic to promote the taking of innocent life is offensive.' Pelosi defended Kissling saying 'Many women are concerned about freedom of speech and association at the conference. Accreditation should not be a politicized process.' It is not surprising, then, that Pelosi refuses to condemn the DNC, [Democratic National Committee] for its support for Kissling's group today.

"In short," Donahue concluded, "Pelosi's spin game is insulting. No conservative Catholic we know okays the killing of kids 80 percent born."


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1 posted on 11/15/2002 2:17:03 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Ping!!
2 posted on 11/15/2002 2:20:30 PM PST by goodform
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
No conservative Catholic we know okays the killing of kids 80 percent born.

No Catholic, Muslim, Jew, Protesant, Mormon, Seven Day Adventis, etc...okays the killing of kids 80% born. Only Liberals.

3 posted on 11/15/2002 2:22:21 PM PST by Drango
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
what happened to her integrity and honesty that I've heard so many in the media mention as of late?
4 posted on 11/15/2002 2:24:13 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
No conservative Catholic we know okays the killing of kids 80 percent born."

Wow! Good for him.

5 posted on 11/15/2002 2:26:05 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Start by lying....we know what follows!
6 posted on 11/15/2002 2:26:14 PM PST by ijcr
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"Yes, I'm a liberal Democrat, but I'm a conservative Catholic,"

Was Hitler a Christian?
The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact…

 

 

8 posted on 11/15/2002 2:26:36 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Drango
Liberal is a religion. Liberals seek redemption in the after-life by taking your money and spending it on their favorite charities. That's why the government has an "obligation" to do so many things for those who don't have, by taking from those who have.
9 posted on 11/15/2002 2:28:01 PM PST by Bernard
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She is very persuasive, contained and unflappable and very slick.

The Fox news guy from 6-7 ( cannot remember his name ) tried to stick it to her and couldn't. Being intellegent and attractive doesn't hurt her causes either.

This is why she is so dangerous

10 posted on 11/15/2002 2:29:35 PM PST by catonsville
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Texas....

Coming from the corrupt D'Alessandro family of Baltimore, she has never known integrity.

11 posted on 11/15/2002 2:31:18 PM PST by cynicom
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Pelosi misspoke.

She meant to say she's a traditional democrats in the Clinton way: a lying democrat.

Nancy Pelosi's claim to be a "conservative Catholic" was challenged today by an astonished Catholic League president William Donahue.

12 posted on 11/15/2002 2:37:17 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Pelosi misspoke.

She meant to say she's a traditional democrat in the Clinton way: a lying democrat.

Nancy Pelosi's claim to be a "conservative Catholic" was challenged today by an astonished Catholic League president William Donahue.

13 posted on 11/15/2002 2:37:28 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: catonsville
Yes. Many here are thinking that she will self-destruct. Just watch already how the government/media complex has elivated her. The lies continually until next election will take its toll. These people MUST be countered each & every time they open their socialist mouths. Will the Pubbies so such? You know that answer, No. Ergo watch out. So many scenerios until 2004.
14 posted on 11/15/2002 2:38:17 PM PST by Digger
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To: catonsville
I have seen her on TV she is slick but barely has enough smarts on foreign policy matters to light up a nightlight
15 posted on 11/15/2002 2:41:22 PM PST by linn37
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To: Remedy
The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact…

Hitler may have been a Catholic at one time, but he was ex communicated by the Pope! So it is doubtful that he was a Catholic on the day he died.
16 posted on 11/15/2002 2:48:57 PM PST by navyblue
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To: navyblue
When was Hitler excommunicated?
17 posted on 11/15/2002 2:50:33 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
No Catholic conservative or otherwise should condone the killing of ANY child...80% born or at conception!
18 posted on 11/15/2002 2:55:07 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
>Nancy Pelosi's claim to be a "conservative Catholic" was challenged today by an astonished Catholic League president William Donahue.

As soon as I heard about her making this statement, I knew we would be hearing from William Donuhue. He's a fighter and a patriot. I'll never forget him on Hannity and Colms battling with Ralph Naes of the People for the communist way ( as he put it ).

19 posted on 11/15/2002 2:58:08 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Mega thanks for the post & ping!

Bill Donahue is the real deal. His passion and devotion reminds me of several priests I admired for their cognizant explanations when I asked, in my youth (as an altar boy), : "What's it all about"....they were honest, and said..."I don't know...but we'll find out."

I'm not a church going guy, but I believe and have faith, we're in this together...for the good.

Mustang sends....btw, the 'social justice' crowd and their refrain is bogus. A smarter person than I once told me:

"...Jesus came to take away our sins, not our minds..."

Mustang sends w/Best FReegards.
20 posted on 11/15/2002 3:12:03 PM PST by Mustang
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
When was Hitler excommunicated?

The first time he committed or instigated a violent act against a priest or religious (1934, for sure, but maybe before then), OR the first time he stole or intentionally destroyed church property (1939, if not earlier), OR the first time he authorized or promoted, or forced an abortion for anyone (Jews and Poles were victimized by forced abortion during the Holocaust), he was excommunicated automatically, according to canon law.

Excommunicating someone who hasn't set foot in a Catholic church for 20+ years doesn't really accomplish much, though.

21 posted on 11/15/2002 3:20:57 PM PST by Campion
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To: navyblue
Hitler may have been a Catholic at one time, but he was ex communicated by the Pope!

The Pope never formally excommunicated him; he didn't need to, the law did it automatically.

Excommunicating a layperson by name is very rare. I doubt it has been done since the time of Napoleon.

22 posted on 11/15/2002 3:22:34 PM PST by Campion
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Nancy Pelosi? Oh yeah, she's practically SSPX.
23 posted on 11/15/2002 3:23:01 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
the notoriously anti-Catholic organization Catholics for a Free Choice

This statement reminds me of Blacks who call other Blacks Oreos or Uncle Toms.

24 posted on 11/15/2002 3:24:45 PM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: Mustang
I've met all types of religious people, those who related closer to general population always struck me as more normal. To be able to sit down with one, have a drink, and discuss real life alway gave me faith.

To think that there are any of these people out there who wouldn't see Pelosi for what she is, obviously is disturbing. We hear enough of the excuses crap game from the Leftists. We are what we are and just pray that Dashole et al. are able to keep control the Leftists.

25 posted on 11/15/2002 3:25:13 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Nancy Pelosi mouths the words "conservative Catholic" as little more than a throw-away phrase to balance her true persona as a "liberal Democrat" which she rightly perceives to be a negative for many Americans. On a major tenet of the Catholic religion, so important it's literally a matter of life and death, she clearly reveals she has no faith except for socialism. I have far more respect for a devout atheist than one who flaunts religion merely to gain the acceptance of others. Once again, the Democrats demonstrate an astonishing propensity to choose leaders who lack integrity and character.
26 posted on 11/15/2002 3:25:22 PM PST by Unmarked Package
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To: Campion
You are right. I read this in a Cathilic web site, KiwiCatholic.Com

Whether Hitler was personally formally excommunicated doesn't matter - the whole purpose of excommunication is to help the sinner recognize the seriousness of his sins so he will seek forgiveness and return to the Church. To someone like Hitler, who didn't believe in the truth of Christianity, excommunication would be of no concern. He had already put himself outside of the Church.

27 posted on 11/15/2002 3:36:52 PM PST by shiva
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Pelosi again claimed to be a "conservative Catholic" on The Today Show this morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer. It sparked quite an animated thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/789487/posts
28 posted on 11/15/2002 4:14:40 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: shiva
Thanks, but no thanks. My good Mama taught be to stay out of such places

And that's what good mamas should do.Good for her. But papas teach you to go into the enemy's camp to find out what he's up to.....this is War, Boy!!War!

29 posted on 11/15/2002 5:24:43 PM PST by shiva
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; Biker Scum; Digger; Missouri; Mustang; nickcarraway; Unmarked Package; ...
"...Socialism...cannot be reconciled with the teachings
of the Catholic Church because its concept of society itself
is utterly foreign to Christian truth."

QUADRAGESIMO ANNO, 117, Encyclical of Pope Pius XI,
Reconstruction of the Social Order, May 15, 1931

"...no Catholic [can] subscribe even to moderate Socialism."
MATER ET MAGISTRA, 34, Pope John XXIII,
On Christianity and Social Progress, MAY 15, 1961
30 posted on 11/15/2002 10:17:52 PM PST by polemikos
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; Siobhan; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; ...
Pelosi! Kerry! Kennedy! All should be excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Conservative?? Who is she kidding?
31 posted on 11/16/2002 11:06:28 AM PST by NYer
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
It's the liberal mindset: I will say what I need to further whatever my political agenda of the moment is. If I need to say I am an Orthodox Jew five minutes later so be it.
32 posted on 11/16/2002 11:14:03 AM PST by Fair Paul
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To: Fair Paul
It's the liberal mindset: I will say what I need to further whatever my political agenda of the moment is. If I need to say I am an Orthodox Jew five minutes later so be it.

By Sharon Samber

WASHINGTON, Nov. 12 (JTA) -- A congresswoman was in the middle of her speech at an American Israel Public Affairs Committee luncheon in San Francisco last December when an alarm went off.

Fearing a possible terrorist attack, jittery attendees were rushing out of the room when they suddenly heard Hatikvah, Israel's national anthem.

It was the non-Jewish speaker, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who was reciting the hopeful lyrics in English. The crowd was stunned.

``She is connected to the Jewish community," said Sam Lauter, a pro-Israel activist in San Francisco. ``It comes from her soul."

33 posted on 11/16/2002 11:25:06 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: NYer; Biker Scum; Digger; Missouri; Mustang; nickcarraway; Unmarked Package; Siobhan; ...
Pelosi described her new job as such, "Win back the House".

Is she working for America, Dashole, Clinton, or the Leftists?

34 posted on 11/16/2002 11:33:28 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The only thing about her that seems the least bit conservative is that she has 5 kids (as I understand it).

Having 5 kids, however, does not make one a conservative (even though now-a-days most younger people with 5 kids probably areconservative).

I would guess that Pelosi was fairly traditional, had her 5 kids, then sort of morphed into a feminazi socialist.
35 posted on 11/16/2002 11:47:24 AM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

36 posted on 11/16/2002 11:48:10 AM PST by ChadGore
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To: Notwithstanding
Ever wonder if all of the inner city children the Leftists covered under government programs might have been "engineered" by design for a new socialist era?
37 posted on 11/16/2002 11:54:29 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: nickcarraway
Well, then ping UltimaRatio and Maximilian. I am certain they will want to know that Pelosi is a co-religionist.
38 posted on 11/16/2002 11:58:40 AM PST by ninenot
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To: ChadGore
Uncanny... Let's hope she provides the same kind of leadership for the Democratic party. LOL
39 posted on 11/16/2002 12:03:31 PM PST by Rockitz
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; ultima ratio; maximillian
Is she working for America, Dashole, Clinton, or the Leftists?

None of the above. Pelosi impresses me as a barracuda - out for herself. Can't wait to see how she handles herself with Hitlary. I'm betting there will be lots of clawing and scratching behind closed doors.

40 posted on 11/16/2002 1:37:37 PM PST by NYer
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
**Nancy Pelosi's claim to be a "conservative Catholic" was challenged today by an astonished Catholic League president William Donahue.**

Bump for the Catholic League and Bill Donahue.
41 posted on 11/16/2002 2:02:39 PM PST by Salvation
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To: Remedy
**"Yes, I'm a liberal Democrat, but I'm a conservative Catholic,"**

Isn't this an oxymornic statement? Both cannot be true!
42 posted on 11/16/2002 2:03:49 PM PST by Salvation
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To: Salvation
If I were a Leftist I'd have to ask myself how much of a DIPWAD these people really think I am.
43 posted on 11/16/2002 2:08:15 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; father_elijah; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; ...
Catholic discussion ping!

Please notify me via Freepmail if you would like to be added to or removed from the Catholic Discussion Ping list.

44 posted on 11/16/2002 2:08:59 PM PST by Salvation
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To: Salvation
**"Yes, I'm a liberal Democrat, but I'm a conservative Catholic,"**

Isn't this an oxymornic statement? Both cannot be true!

Similar to Willy Clinton being a Southern Baptist or Hitler being a Catholic.

Maybe Pelosi is a member of CATHOLICS FOR A FREE CHOICE?

 

 

 

45 posted on 11/16/2002 2:31:57 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy
The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact

I thought Hitler was considered a pagan, looking to return Germany to its Teutonic glory.

46 posted on 11/16/2002 3:17:44 PM PST by SuziQ
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- Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust -
Although Hitler was baptized a Catholic, he was never excommunicated, and evidently ‘considered himself a good Roman Catholic’ as a young man, and at times used religious language. He clearly had strong, even vociferous, anti-Christian feelings as an adult, as did probably most Nazi party leaders. As a consummate politician, though, he openly tried to exploit the church.55 Hitler once revealed his attitude toward Christianity when he bluntly stated that religion is an:

‘ … organized lie [that] must be smashed. The State must remain the absolute master. When I was younger, I thought it was necessary to set about [destroying religion] … with dynamite. I’ve since realized there’s room for a little subtlety …. The final state must be … in St. Peter’s Chair, a senile officiant; facing him a few sinister old women … The young and healthy are on our side … it’s impossible to eternally hold humanity in bondage and lies …. [It] was only between the sixth and eighth centuries that Christianity was imposed upon our peoples …. Our peoples had previously succeeded in living all right without this religion. I have six divisions of SS men absolutely indifferent in matters of religion. It doesn’t prevent them from going to their death with serenity in their souls.’ 56

His beliefs as revealed in this quote are abundantly clear: the younger people who were the hope of Germany were ‘absolutely indifferent in matters of religion’. As Keith noted, the Nazi party viewed Darwinism and Christianity as polar opposites.

47 posted on 11/16/2002 4:05:50 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Salvation
Thank you for the ping & Bttt
48 posted on 11/16/2002 4:45:36 PM PST by firewalk
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To: Remedy
The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact

I never knew he was baptized a Catholic; I just knew he didn't live his life as a Catholic, and his public policies for Germany never reflected Christian teachings.

49 posted on 11/16/2002 6:49:31 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Salvation
Thanks for the PING, Salvation.

If Pelosi claims to be a Conservative Catholic and gets away with it, maybe I could claim to be Ann Coulter and get some of the revenue generated by her book sales. Heck, maybe if I claim to be Ann Coulter I could wear a size six dress, too.

Well, I suppose I could wear a size six dress. On my head. As a hat.

50 posted on 11/16/2002 7:41:20 PM PST by reformed_democrat
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